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Post by Rex on Jan 13, 2021 10:41:16 GMT
You're right, it is a bit technical! I guess the gist of it is that an unarmed black suspect is no more likely to be shot than a white one. I am always a little suspicious of statistics and how they they are compiled, but I would be interested to know where those came from (I'm pretty sure you have mentioned them before) There certainly seem to be a disproportionate amount of black men caught up in America's judicial system. Now I can't believe for a second that you believe skin pigmentation makes you more likely to commit crime, so what do you think it could be? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 11:24:38 GMT
You're right, it is a bit technical! I guess the gist of it is that an unarmed black suspect is no more likely to be shot than a white one. I am always a little suspicious of statistics and how they they are compiled, but I would be interested to know where those came from (I'm pretty sure you have mentioned them before) There certainly seem to be a disproportionate amount of black men caught up in America's judicial system. Now I can't believe for a second that you believe skin pigmentation makes you more likely to commit crime, so what do you think it could be? No, I've not posted that one before. But I drew more or less the same conclusion, when the data is looked at objectively there is no evidence at all that skin colour is a factor in whether you are likely to have a violent (shooting) encounter with a Police officer in America. Well, that torpedoes BLM's arguments. Hopefully nobody will raise it on here again. But as it's one of the 'go to' arguments for one or two people, I suspect we've not heard the last of it yet. But let facts get in the way of opinion eh... I guess that as a starting point we can maybe agree that 2 key indicators for doing well for yourself in America are to complete your education and be brought up in a 2 parent family? So that raises a question, and a difficult one. Take a look at the single parent family figures pre-1965 and post 1965, so during Jim Crow and post Jim Crow. It's not even a sensible argument to suggest that America is now more racist than it was in 1964, so you tell me, why are so many of those those 13% of people not even coming close to fulfilling their potential? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 12:22:40 GMT
You're right, it is a bit technical! I guess the gist of it is that an unarmed black suspect is no more likely to be shot than a white one. I am always a little suspicious of statistics and how they they are compiled, but I would be interested to know where those came from (I'm pretty sure you have mentioned them before) There certainly seem to be a disproportionate amount of black men caught up in America's judicial system. Now I can't believe for a second that you believe skin pigmentation makes you more likely to commit crime, so what do you think it could be? No, I've not posted that one before. But I drew more or less the same conclusion, when the data is looked at objectively there is no evidence at all that skin colour is a factor in whether you are likely to have a violent (shooting) encounter with a Police officer in America. Well, that torpedoes BLM's arguments. Hopefully nobody will raise it on here again. But as it's one of the 'go to' arguments for one or two people, I suspect we've not heard the last of it yet. But let facts get in the way of opinion eh... I guess that as a starting point we can maybe agree that 2 key indicators for doing well for yourself in America are to complete your education and be brought up in a 2 parent family? So that raises a question, and a difficult one. Take a look at the single parent family figures pre-1965 and post 1965, so during Jim Crow and post Jim Crow. It's not even a sensible argument to suggest that America is now more racist than it was in 1964, so you tell me, why are so many of those those 13% of people not even coming close to fulfilling their potential? Sadly, the whole point being made is fatally undermined by this correction taken from the report offered up Oh dear, a bit like the Baltimore free meals for kids issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 12:27:12 GMT
No, I've not posted that one before. But I drew more or less the same conclusion, when the data is looked at objectively there is no evidence at all that skin colour is a factor in whether you are likely to have a violent (shooting) encounter with a Police officer in America. Well, that torpedoes BLM's arguments. Hopefully nobody will raise it on here again. But as it's one of the 'go to' arguments for one or two people, I suspect we've not heard the last of it yet. But let facts get in the way of opinion eh... I guess that as a starting point we can maybe agree that 2 key indicators for doing well for yourself in America are to complete your education and be brought up in a 2 parent family? So that raises a question, and a difficult one. Take a look at the single parent family figures pre-1965 and post 1965, so during Jim Crow and post Jim Crow. It's not even a sensible argument to suggest that America is now more racist than it was in 1964, so you tell me, why are so many of those those 13% of people not even coming close to fulfilling their potential? Sadly, the whole point being made is fatally undermined by this correction taken from the report offered up Oh dear, a bit like the Baltimore free meals for kids issue. Would you like more pieces that show the same conclusions, I have plenty. You never replied to the one I popped up on here maybe 6 months ago, that dealt with profiling and convictions when you were banging on about victimisation in that area, and showed the exact same thing, no evidence at all. As we've now seen that you like to try to discredit things I post, if you can, I'll take it that you didn't manage to find anything to counter that study. So another hole below the waterline for your view that everybody and everything is racist. Whilst you are here, after this length of time it's reasonable to assume that you've conceded the point about the economic benefits of migrant labour. So at least that topic is put to bed once and for all and we've established that the issue was one of facts, not racism or prejudice, despite attempts from the left to discredit normal people's well founded concerns. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 12:36:41 GMT
Sadly, the whole point being made is fatally undermined by this correction taken from the report offered up Oh dear, a bit like the Baltimore free meals for kids issue. Would you like more pieces that show the same conclusions, I have plenty. Whilst you are here, after this length of time it's reasonable to assume that you've conceded the point about the economic benefits of migrant labour. So at least that topic is put to bed once and for all and we've established that the issue was one of facts, not racism or prejudice, despite attempts from the left to discredit normal people's well founded concerns. So you accept you posted up a retracted article and want to divert to an agenda of your choice, no. You posted something in defence of a view which the authors said you should not. Perhaps apologise? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 12:41:22 GMT
Would you like more pieces that show the same conclusions, I have plenty. Whilst you are here, after this length of time it's reasonable to assume that you've conceded the point about the economic benefits of migrant labour. So at least that topic is put to bed once and for all and we've established that the issue was one of facts, not racism or prejudice, despite attempts from the left to discredit normal people's well founded concerns. So you accept you posted up a retracted article and want to divert to an agenda of your choice, no. You posted something in defence of a view which the authors said you should not. Perhaps apologise? I have a long list of things you need to accept that you have been wrong about. You go first. I accepted, with good grace, the Baltimore school meals issue, then embarrassed you over multiple issues, such as who would be involved in searches of of areas such as farms where illegal migrant labour was being utilised, you swore, insulted me, but never once accepted that you were wrong. Start by apologising to me on the issue of those raids, unreservedly, then we'll move forwards from there. But you are wrong with what you say above. I haven't even attempted to divert, I asked if you would like more studies that reach the same conclusions. You are being dishonest, and making things up, again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 13:28:05 GMT
So you accept you posted up a retracted article and want to divert to an agenda of your choice, no. You posted something in defence of a view which the authors said you should not. Perhaps apologise? I have a long list of things you need to accept that you have been wrong about. You go first. I accepted, with good grace, the Baltimore school meals issue, then embarrassed you over multiple issues, such as who would be involved in searches of of areas such as farms where illegal migrant labour was being utilised, you swore, insulted me, but never once accepted that you were wrong.  Start by apologising to me on the issue of those raids, unreservedly, then we'll move forwards from there. But you are wrong with what you say above. I haven't even attempted to divert, I asked if you would like more studies that reach the same conclusions. You are being dishonest, and making things up, again. Sure But sadly its here in black and white for all to see. Again |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 14:00:42 GMT
I have a long list of things you need to accept that you have been wrong about. You go first. I accepted, with good grace, the Baltimore school meals issue, then embarrassed you over multiple issues, such as who would be involved in searches of of areas such as farms where illegal migrant labour was being utilised, you swore, insulted me, but never once accepted that you were wrong. Start by apologising to me on the issue of those raids, unreservedly, then we'll move forwards from there. But you are wrong with what you say above. I haven't even attempted to divert, I asked if you would like more studies that reach the same conclusions. You are being dishonest, and making things up, again. Sure But sadly its here in black and white for all to see. Again I don't know what your issue is. I used outdated information, a year ago, and thanked you for the correction, and agreed that Democrat policy was more to my liking in this case, you've brought this up at least 10 times. This is what people who debate honestly and are not ideologues do. This is straight from the James O'Brien school of discussion. If I can find one 'Gotchya' moment I'll pretend that everything you've ever said is discredited. Now, let's start with an apology for accusing me of attempting to divert, which I didn't. Then we'll move on to some other apologies owed, starting with those Police raids, then we'll see where we go from there. And can I say, there was no intention to mislead. I could very easily have copied and pasted the content of that PDF, but put a link to the entire thing, with the amendment highlighted, in big red letters, in the top right corner of each page. |
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Post by basel on Jan 17, 2021 19:18:21 GMT
I see one of the BLM Leaders has been arrested.
Sasha Johnson was arrested - last night I think - for breaking Cov19 rules.This was near 10 Downing Street.
Apparently she was released from Brixton Police Station without being charged.
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Post by basel on Mar 8, 2021 20:52:41 GMT
Derby County are the latest club stop taking the knee in support of the Black Liberation Movement.
Good.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 8, 2021 21:18:08 GMT
Derby County are the latest club stop taking the knee in support of the Black Liberation Movement. Good. Bas, in case you hadn't heard, this issue has now gone away because since last November policemen in the USA have stopped making attacks on innocent people. |
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Post by basel on Mar 8, 2021 22:08:15 GMT
Derby County are the latest club stop taking the knee in support of the Black Liberation Movement. Good. Bas, in case you hadn't heard, this issue has now gone away because since last November policemen in the USA have stopped making attacks on innocent people. You might get called up for jury service Swiss,for George Floyd. Only neutrals wanted 'Swiss'. |
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Post by swissgas on Mar 9, 2021 1:12:43 GMT
Bas, in case you hadn't heard, this issue has now gone away because since last November policemen in the USA have stopped making attacks on innocent people. You might get called up for jury service Swiss,for George Floyd. Only neutrals wanted 'Swiss'. I’d have more chance of getting called up for Juke Box Jury ! |
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Post by basel on Mar 9, 2021 7:56:53 GMT
You might get called up for jury service Swiss,for George Floyd. Only neutrals wanted 'Swiss'. I’d have more chance of getting called up for Juke Box Jury ! :-) I will be happy to see our sheep follow the example of the Rams and stop this BLM ritual. |
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Post by basel on Mar 23, 2021 7:48:40 GMT
Scotland have stopped taking the knee.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 10, 2021 11:35:48 GMT
Scotland have stopped taking the knee. Good. Let’s face it, it’s just nothing but virtue signalling & on an issue that is 4000 miles away. It doesn’t anger me but I think it’s embarrassing, given that it’s not about an issue that has happened here When England played Poland, the Poles never took the knee but have a badge on their arms that says respect. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 23:27:28 GMT
You might get called up for jury service Swiss,for George Floyd. Only neutrals wanted 'Swiss'. I’d have more chance of getting called up for Juke Box Jury ! Hey Swiss. Did those 2 young black girls killing that Uber driver a few days ago make any kind of impact on the news on your side of the pond? |
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Post by swissgas on Apr 11, 2021 0:56:52 GMT
I’d have more chance of getting called up for Juke Box Jury ! Hey Swiss. Did those 2 young black girls killing that Uber driver a few days ago make any kind of impact on the news on your side of the pond? From what I see and hear this account is accurate. www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-coverage-contrast-nick-sandmann-mohammad-anwar-deathMainstream media bias is meekly accepted and when it is routinely reported that Marxist BLM founder Patrice Khan-Cullors has bought a $1.4 million home in an exclusive LA neighborhood people just shrug their shoulders because it is no surprise. We live in a free society and if she has made enough money from her political activities then why shouldn’t she ? The concept of hypocrisy being a bad thing is dead and buried. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2021 11:08:34 GMT
Hey Swiss. Did those 2 young black girls killing that Uber driver a few days ago make any kind of impact on the news on your side of the pond? From what I see and hear this account is accurate. www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-coverage-contrast-nick-sandmann-mohammad-anwar-deathMainstream media bias is meekly accepted and when it is routinely reported that Marxist BLM founder Patrice Khan-Cullors has bought a $1.4 million home in an exclusive LA neighborhood people just shrug their shoulders because it is no surprise. We live in a free society and if she has made enough money from her political activities then why shouldn’t she ? The concept of hypocrisy being a bad thing is dead and buried. Exactly the same here. 4 years of complete Trump derangement syndrome from our media, facts were irrelevant, Orange Man Bad, that's all you need to know. Now Biden has created absolute chaos on the southern border and it's not mentioned. Had this have happened under Trump it would have been the lead story on every TV news outlet. In fact, on multiple occasions, Obama's systems on that border were described as barbaric, inhumane etc and blamed on Trump as the lead story. The hilarious thing is that some people here still claim we have right wing media, and I think they believe what they are saying. |
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Post by swissgas on Apr 11, 2021 14:56:46 GMT
From what I see and hear this account is accurate. www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-coverage-contrast-nick-sandmann-mohammad-anwar-deathMainstream media bias is meekly accepted and when it is routinely reported that Marxist BLM founder Patrice Khan-Cullors has bought a $1.4 million home in an exclusive LA neighborhood people just shrug their shoulders because it is no surprise. We live in a free society and if she has made enough money from her political activities then why shouldn’t she ? The concept of hypocrisy being a bad thing is dead and buried. Exactly the same here. 4 years of complete Trump derangement syndrome from our media, facts were irrelevant, Orange Man Bad, that's all you need to know. Now Biden has created absolute chaos on the southern border and it's not mentioned. Had this have happened under Trump it would have been the lead story on every TV news outlet. In fact, on multiple occasions, Obama's systems on that border were described as barbaric, inhumane etc and blamed on Trump as the lead story. The hilarious thing is that some people here still claim we have right wing media, and I think they believe what they are saying. The concepts of right wing and left wing are also outdated IMO. There has just been a vote about unionization at a big Amazon warehouse in Alabama and the workforce voted 2- 1 against it. When the Union leaders are interviewed on TV you can see the acute astonishment on their faces “We thought Big Tech was behind us, what is going on?” Now there will be a big legal battle because claims have been made that the vote was rigged and Amazon illegally put pressure on their staff not to join a Union. People don’t understand the sophistication of the brainwashing techniques which are used to persuade people what to think. So when the media appear to champion things like the fight for better pay and conditions for workers or the fight for positive discrimination for ethnic minorities many are tricked into thinking this is genuine support when actually it is just tactical manipulation. As we discussed last year, there appears to be a worldwide mission to deliberately promote conflict and create fear and anxiety but why, and what the endgame is, remains a mystery. We have all been brought up to believe the aims of society are to work towards peace, prosperity, fairness and friendship but I think it’s fairly clear now that not everyone shares this goal. |
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