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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 19:56:00 GMT
Leeds will go mad and they've every right to go mad Yes they have as will WBA and all the other clubs like Liverpool, Barrow, Swindon, Crewe, Coventry, Rotherham etc if they have completed 4/5 of the season. And it’s not like Leeds have a monopoly on idiots, all clubs have them and I’m sure Villa, Norwich, Bournemouth, Wigan, and anyone else who might “profit” from the season ending void have their fate share. Had it been suspended in September or October with few games played it would be different but after 4/5 of the season the season should finish, either played later on some other means that won’t disadvantage clubs at the top off their leagues. Can you imagine how gasheads would feel if we were in that position or even in Barrow’s place, waiting for over 40 years to get back in the league. So of course you finish the league when it is safe to do so. Solving the CV crisis is the priority at the moment but leaders in their own fields should be looking at ways to resume ‘normality’ when it comes and finishing what is nearly finished is important imo. But reading and listening to the various media streams makes me think it’s 50/50 as to whether we finish or not. I suspect it will be a mish-mash of leagues finishing and not finishing and that’s just in this country. And that wouldn’t be fair. UTG! my leeds will go mad quote is a famous line from the past, ironically v wba
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 25, 2020 20:02:03 GMT
Yes they have as will WBA and all the other clubs like Liverpool, Barrow, Swindon, Crewe, Coventry, Rotherham etc if they have completed 4/5 of the season. And it’s not like Leeds have a monopoly on idiots, all clubs have them and I’m sure Villa, Norwich, Bournemouth, Wigan, and anyone else who might “profit” from the season ending void have their fate share. Had it been suspended in September or October with few games played it would be different but after 4/5 of the season the season should finish, either played later on some other means that won’t disadvantage clubs at the top off their leagues. Can you imagine how gasheads would feel if we were in that position or even in Barrow’s place, waiting for over 40 years to get back in the league. So of course you finish the league when it is safe to do so. Solving the CV crisis is the priority at the moment but leaders in their own fields should be looking at ways to resume ‘normality’ when it comes and finishing what is nearly finished is important imo. But reading and listening to the various media streams makes me think it’s 50/50 as to whether we finish or not. I suspect it will be a mish-mash of leagues finishing and not finishing and that’s just in this country. And that wouldn’t be fair. UTG! my leeds will go mad quote is a famous line from the past, ironically v wba Yes. Even WBA and Jeff Astle stopped that day so amazed no one thought they were offside. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 20:38:42 GMT
my leeds will go mad quote is a famous line from the past, ironically v wba Yes. Even WBA and Jeff Aston stopped that day so amazed no one thought they were offside. UTG! thats the one
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 20:39:09 GMT
Oh well, best speak to China first for not containing the virus, then the UK government for acting like imbeciles in the way they've handled this. Once they've had those conversations they can have a word with huge swathes of Asia and the sub-continent and try to convince them that it's not cool to eat everything that moves, and if you absolutely must, maybe consider some notion of hygiene and humane treatment for fellow living creatures. Leeds will go mad and they've every right to go mad
that was me referring to ray tinkler stiffing leeds v wba back in the day
as for our goverment our policy is led by doctors and scientists, good by me
I'm struggling to see how / why we, with our natural sea defence, have managed, with the help of these great doctors and scientists to be either 5th or 6th in terms of Covid related deaths in the entire world. Nobody can say they were taken by surprise, this was news in Dec, by mid-Jan everybody knew about it, then we saw the devastation in Italy and Spain, but hey, as long as you think the government are doing a good job... There are around 20,000 families who may take a different view.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 20:43:33 GMT
Leeds will go mad and they've every right to go mad
that was me referring to ray tinkler stiffing leeds v wba back in the day
as for our goverment our policy is led by doctors and scientists, good by me
I'm struggling to see how / why we, with our natural sea defence, have managed, with the help of these great doctors and scientists to be either 5th or 6th in terms of Covid related deaths in the entire world. Nobody can say they were taken by surprise, this was news in Dec, by mid-Jan everybody knew about it, then we saw the devastation in Italy and Spain, but hey, as long as you think the government are doing a good job... There are around 20,000 families who may take a different view. 11 March 2020 Deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction, WHO made the assessment that COVID-19 can be characterized as a pandemic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 20:45:52 GMT
how would YOU have stopped a worldwide pandemic hitting the uk ? let us know then we can see if it wouldve helped the rest of the world
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 20:46:55 GMT
I'm struggling to see how / why we, with our natural sea defence, have managed, with the help of these great doctors and scientists to be either 5th or 6th in terms of Covid related deaths in the entire world. Nobody can say they were taken by surprise, this was news in Dec, by mid-Jan everybody knew about it, then we saw the devastation in Italy and Spain, but hey, as long as you think the government are doing a good job... There are around 20,000 families who may take a different view. 11 March 2020 Deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction, WHO made the assessment that COVID-19 can be characterized as a pandemic.
And? Are you suggesting that the WHO are so incompetent that until mid-March they didn't really think it was much more than a bit of a sniffle and the biggest threat was that maybe the local Boots would run out of LemSip? If that's the case, then when there's a reckoning after this, they can stand accused, along with whoever is organising TFL.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 20:54:00 GMT
how would YOU have stopped a worldwide pandemic hitting the uk ? let us know then we can see if it wouldve helped the rest of the world UK ports and airports should have been shut months ago to all incoming passengers, only British nationals allowed in, and every single one of them goes straight in to isolation. A few would have had a bit of a cry, but who cares, people always moan, the economy wouldn't be any more f**ked and 20,000 people would still be alive. Christ only knows what the final total is going to be. We didn't do that. OK too late to worry now, what do we do 6 weeks ago when you look at a map and there's a huge red dot bang in the middle of London? Anyone with the sense they were born with sets up a perimeter around the M25, nobody in, nobody out. That's what I would have done. Now, back to your doctors and scientists. You still think it's 'all good'? As for the rest of the World. I've had an occasional nibble on here over a period of years about animal rights and welfare. If this did start as a result of practices in far eastern 'wet' markets, if it were up to me, those places wouldn't exist.
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Post by davehuddscousin on Apr 25, 2020 21:22:31 GMT
The problem with just declaring the 2019/20 season "null and void" is that it about 80% of it has been completed, so this would penalise those who would have got promoted and reward those who would have got relegated. The best way to end the season is to calculate final league tables on the basis of average points per game (PPG) played up until the suspension (and average goals scored and conceded per game if goal difference is required to separate clubs on equal points).
This would be easy to do and is clearly based on the playing performance of each club in 2019/20. A 'fine tune' would be to calculate a PPG for home and away games then add the two together, this would even out any problems with clubs who had an uneven number of home or away games left to play, or with clubs that had played fewer games. (Obviously there would be no play offs, so the club finishing third in League 1 should be promoted instead).
Playing games behind closed doors, and/or using a small number of designated grounds in a 'tournament style' finish as the Bundesliga is proposing, would work for the Premier League as they would still get TV revenue, but I can't see how it will be practical for the lower leagues.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 21:30:28 GMT
how would YOU have stopped a worldwide pandemic hitting the uk ? let us know then we can see if it wouldve helped the rest of the world UK ports and airports should have been shut months ago to all incoming passengers, only British nationals allowed in, and every single one of them goes straight in to isolation. A few would have had a bit of a cry, but who cares, people always moan, the economy wouldn't be any more f**ked and 20,000 people would still be alive. Christ only knows what the final total is going to be. We didn't do that. OK too late to worry now, what do we do 6 weeks ago when you look at a map and there's a huge red dot bang in the middle of London? Anyone with the sense they were born with sets up a perimeter around the M25, nobody in, nobody out. That's what I would have done. Now, back to your doctors and scientists. You still think it's 'all good'? As for the rest of the World. I've had an occasional nibble on here over a period of years about animal rights and welfare. If this did start as a result of practices in far eastern 'wet' markets, if it were up to me, those places wouldn't exist. Once china neglected to let on to the world and people left for other countries our fates were sealed . Once the virus has been overcome I see trouble ahead with the anger felt
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 21:38:40 GMT
UK ports and airports should have been shut months ago to all incoming passengers, only British nationals allowed in, and every single one of them goes straight in to isolation. A few would have had a bit of a cry, but who cares, people always moan, the economy wouldn't be any more f**ked and 20,000 people would still be alive. Christ only knows what the final total is going to be. We didn't do that. OK too late to worry now, what do we do 6 weeks ago when you look at a map and there's a huge red dot bang in the middle of London? Anyone with the sense they were born with sets up a perimeter around the M25, nobody in, nobody out. That's what I would have done. Now, back to your doctors and scientists. You still think it's 'all good'? As for the rest of the World. I've had an occasional nibble on here over a period of years about animal rights and welfare. If this did start as a result of practices in far eastern 'wet' markets, if it were up to me, those places wouldn't exist. Once china neglected to let on to the world and people left for other countries our fates were sealed . Once the virus has been overcome I see trouble ahead with the anger felt So your position has moved from 'all good' because we've taken best advice, to, 'it's rubbish, let's blame China'. That didn't take long. Our response has been a farce from the get go. There'll be a reckoning for this. Sadly, our political system is about as robust as your doctors and scientists, 5 minutes with Andrew Neil examining his conduct as DPP and in charge of the CPS and Starmer will be done for, so I don't know who is going to hold this government to account, but it's not going to be Labour. BTW, there was a live broadcast from a British girl's flat in Wuhan back in early January, she was locked in by order of the local authorities, this was broadcast here, in the UK, so enough already with excuses.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 22:14:33 GMT
Once china neglected to let on to the world and people left for other countries our fates were sealed . Once the virus has been overcome I see trouble ahead with the anger felt So your position has moved from 'all good' because we've taken best advice, to, 'it's rubbish, let's blame China'. That didn't take long. Our response has been a farce from the get go. There'll be a reckoning for this. Sadly, our political system is about as robust as your doctors and scientists, 5 minutes with Andrew Neil examining his conduct as DPP and in charge of the CPS and Starmer will be done for, so I don't know who is going to hold this government to account, but it's not going to be Labour. BTW, there was a live broadcast from a British girl's flat in Wuhan back in early January, she was locked in by order of the local authorities, this was broadcast here, in the UK, so enough already with excuses. Oh aye lockdows have worked . The only thing lockdown is for is to control patient number flow. Until a vaccine is found we are goosed. As for china who are you pinning the blame on if not them ? Labour ? Waste of space who's saying different? Not me
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 22:20:44 GMT
So your position has moved from 'all good' because we've taken best advice, to, 'it's rubbish, let's blame China'. That didn't take long. Our response has been a farce from the get go. There'll be a reckoning for this. Sadly, our political system is about as robust as your doctors and scientists, 5 minutes with Andrew Neil examining his conduct as DPP and in charge of the CPS and Starmer will be done for, so I don't know who is going to hold this government to account, but it's not going to be Labour. BTW, there was a live broadcast from a British girl's flat in Wuhan back in early January, she was locked in by order of the local authorities, this was broadcast here, in the UK, so enough already with excuses. Oh aye lockdows have worked . The only thing lockdown is for is to control patient number flow. Until a vaccine is found we are goosed. As for china who are you pinning the blame on if not them ? Labour ? Waste of space who's saying different? Not me So we agree, the government acted too late. China aren't responsible for UK domestic policy. Your point was that we didn't know. Yes we did, we knew what was happening, as demonstrated by the live broadcast from that young lady's flat. The Labour comment is out of frustration because I think that a combination of the scorched earth policy their left wing is implementing as they are being dragged out of the door, and Starmer's career history means that we'll get Boris again in 4 1/2 years, and all of these deaths will count for nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 22:27:36 GMT
Oh aye lockdows have worked . The only thing lockdown is for is to control patient number flow. Until a vaccine is found we are goosed. As for china who are you pinning the blame on if not them ? Labour ? Waste of space who's saying different? Not me So we agree, the government acted too late. China aren't responsible for UK domestic policy. Your point was that we didn't know. Yes we did, we knew what was happening, as demonstrated by the live broadcast from that young lady's flat. The Labour comment is out of frustration because I think that a combination of the scorched earth policy their left wing is implementing as they are being dragged out of the door, and Starmer's career history means that we'll get Boris again in 4 1/2 years, and all of these deaths will count for nothing. Yes but my point was china let people out of the country. That's it game over that instant . Boris cant stop the virus once its here in fact even superman corbyn wouldn't have. All we can do is manage the numbers and as you say this is gonna get much higher probably
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 26, 2020 9:13:04 GMT
The problem with just declaring the 2019/20 season "null and void" is that it about 80% of it has been completed, so this would penalise those who would have got promoted and reward those who would have got relegated. The best way to end the season is to calculate final league tables on the basis of average points per game (PPG) played up until the suspension (and average goals scored and conceded per game if goal difference is required to separate clubs on equal points). This would be easy to do and is clearly based on the playing performance of each club in 2019/20. A 'fine tune' would be to calculate a PPG for home and away games then add the two together, this would even out any problems with clubs who had an uneven number of home or away games left to play, or with clubs that had played fewer games. (Obviously there would be no play offs, so the club finishing third in League 1 should be promoted instead). Playing games behind closed doors, and/or using a small number of designated grounds in a 'tournament style' finish as the Bundesliga is proposing, would work for the Premier League as they would still get TV revenue, but I can't see how it will be practical for the lower leagues. Sounds sensible enough to me. I think there is also scope (ie revenue) for the championship to end behind closed doors. Play-offs are probably harder to justify - but if there's enough money in it - then that could happen. How the PL/EFL/FA and all the associated Clubs broadly "agree"... That's going to be the fun bit. That's a very large amount of cats to herd. Ultimately I think money will dictate how this pans out. Nothing to do with "logic" or "fairness". One other thought. Huge amounts of money will have been wagered on the outcomes of the leagues. I would imagine a strong lobby from the gambling industry will help ensure that the season will not be voided. Imagine them handing back all the bets that have been placed? They sponsor (wrongly in my opinion) large numbers of teams. They will have a voice. They would also actively encourage playing out the PL/Championship/Play-offs... as that would generate gambling revenue. Just a thought. UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 11:12:43 GMT
The UK population is about 1% of the world's. The UK COVID-19 death toll is about 10% of the world's. The UK's disadvantage is population density. The UK's advantages are wealth and sea borders. The UK's advantages outweigh the disadvantages. The UK government's policy indecision and delay killed ten times the expected number. I think you're mad to defend them.
So, football, right? There's no 2020-1 season. I don't know why BRFC are selling season tickets. But yes I do. I don't know why Gasheads are buying them. I really don't. I hope desperately that the Oxford vaccine trials are successful and that mass production and administration is quickly feasible. But there's no way we're standing on terraces in sitting in stands again this year. Football club and supporter denial of this is baffling. Stadia are closed for a year.
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Post by crater on Apr 26, 2020 11:50:20 GMT
Some payback for the vile Liverpool fans at last after they got us all banned from Europe at a time when Everton were a force to be reckoned with and stood a very good chance of winning a European title. They still laugh about it now. Well, not so funny now is it you cheeky, salt of the earth loveable Scousers. How L1 ends isn't our problem, whether Rovers will exist when L1 starts again is more of a worry right now. There's plenty I could say about this but I will exercise restraint and say only that Uefa santioned the final to be played in a run down, delapatated stadium that clearly wasn't fit for purpose...so if there's culpability it shouldn't just be football fans held to account... That said any Liverpool fan who stormed the gates in Athens in 2007 to see the final are a disgrace and if any set of football fans should know better you would have thought it would be Liverpool supporters
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 11:55:41 GMT
The UK population is about 1% of the world's. The UK COVID-19 death toll is about 10% of the world's. The UK's disadvantage is population density. The UK's advantages are wealth and sea borders. The UK's advantages outweigh the disadvantages. The UK government's policy indecision and delay killed ten times the expected number. I think you're mad to defend them. So, football, right? There's no 2020-1 season. I don't know why BRFC are selling season tickets. But yes I do. I don't know why Gasheads are buying them. I really don't. I hope desperately that the Oxford vaccine trials are successful and that mass production and administration is quickly feasible. But there's no way we're standing on terraces in sitting in stands again this year. Football club and supporter denial of this is baffling. Stadia are closed for a year. anything under 20 thousand would be optimistic the doctors said at the beginning, they were right. the major hubs are affected worldwide, no suprise
that thread with that report saying football is basically finished as we know it looks bleak but spot on
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 12:49:59 GMT
anything under 20 thousand would be optimistic the doctors said at the beginning, they were right. Nope. That was not the beginning, that was after the effects of government policy became evident. 'Twenty thousand' as a good result came out at a briefing well into the late shutdown, after we all started to notice quite how reluctantly the government had shut down the country, and that they were not planning under infectious disease guidelines (aggressively mass testing/tracking/tracing/treating) while awaiting vaccine development; instead they were allowing 60-80% of the population to become infected, as the sick and elderly were considered expendable. The inquiry into this (someday) will be truly vast. Twenty thousand Britons did not need to die. Plus we're only half way through dying, aren't we? This is nowhere near over, and the numbers only include COVID-19 positive hospital deaths. I know a lot of doctors, and not one I know supports the government's management of their 'herd'. Stay safe, stay alive, and enjoy the inquiry. Historic times indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 12:57:48 GMT
anything under 20 thousand would be optimistic the doctors said at the beginning, they were right. Nope. That was not the beginning, that was after the effects of government policy became evident. 'Twenty thousand' as a good result came out at a briefing well into the late shutdown, after we all started to notice quite how reluctantly the government had shut down the country, and that they were not planning under infectious disease guidelines (aggressively mass testing/tracking/tracing/treating) while awaiting vaccine development; instead they were allowing 60-80% of the population to become infected, as the sick and elderly were considered expendable. The inquiry into this (someday) will be truly vast. Twenty thousand Britons did not need to die. Plus we're only half way through dying, aren't we? This is nowhere near over, and the numbers only include COVID-19 positive hospital deaths. I know a lot of doctors, and not one I know supports the government's management of their 'herd'. Stay safe, stay alive, and enjoy the inquiry. Historic times indeed. as i said to bamber, anything after day 1 of china allowing flights out is unstoppable, whoever was in power best they could do is slow the rates of infection/death
i too see doctors/nurses 5 or 6 times a day they dont lay blame they just get on with treating people the blame game helps nobody at the moment
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