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Post by davehuddscousin on Apr 26, 2020 13:23:41 GMT
Wow we've gone way off topic here!
Thee question was what happens to League 1? Probably of academic interest to Rovers who won't go up or down in 2020, but is IS important the League ends fairly, AND we have some interest in whether teams are promoted from League 2 that will both bring in extra revenue when we play them at home and give us away games that are easy to travel to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 13:34:06 GMT
Wow we've gone way off topic here! The question was what happens to League 1? Probably of academic interest to Rovers who won't go up or down in 2020, but is IS important the League ends fairly, AND we have some interest in whether teams are promoted from League 2 that will both bring in extra revenue when we play them at home and give us away games that are easy to travel to. Again, I'll just be happy if Rovers still exist when L1 starts again. There won't be any football for months, and if there is anybody who took part or attended would be crazy. Plenty of time in due course to see which clubs remain, who still wants to be a League club, some may want to step down to part time in order to survive, remember when we step out of our front doors again the economy is going to be in absolute tatters, even £20 to attend a football match may be a tough decision for a lot of people, there are loads of similar questions, but it's maybe too soon to try to decide anything concrete, and that could be why we aren't getting any word from the football authorities?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 13:36:19 GMT
Sorry bulbous. You accept government facilitation of tens of thousand of unnecessary deaths if you want to. But the blame's coming, and is absolutely vital to stopping the devastation. You either know very different doctors to me, or yours aren't confiding in you.
Back on topic, League One ends when stadium football resumes, which won't be in 2020, and might not be in 2021 if we cannot or choose not to attempt eradication of COVID-19. A more pertinent questions is how to enable the survival of the football clubs (especially ours) in the mean time. I'd love to read answers to that one.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 26, 2020 15:04:20 GMT
Wow we've gone way off topic here! The question was what happens to League 1? Probably of academic interest to Rovers who won't go up or down in 2020, but is IS important the League ends fairly, AND we have some interest in whether teams are promoted from League 2 that will both bring in extra revenue when we play them at home and give us away games that are easy to travel to. Again, I'll just be happy if Rovers still exist when L1 starts again. There won't be any football for months, and if there is anybody who took part or attended would be crazy. Plenty of time in due course to see which clubs remain, who still wants to be a League club, some may want to step down to part time in order to survive, remember when we step out of our front doors again the economy is going to be in absolute tatters, even £20 to attend a football match may be a tough decision for a lot of people, there are loads of similar questions, but it's maybe too soon to try to decide anything concrete, and that could be why we aren't getting any word from the football authorities? To quote the song I must crazy, I truly have no care about this. Maybe, if it gets me, you guys can look upon this and say he didn’t worry about it so he went his own way. I’d love a few scoops and a game. I’d just love it, Kevin keegan springs to mind
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 15:16:08 GMT
We now have massive queues outside of b and q stores to get wallpaper etc but i cannot see my grand children or my elderly dad? Something badly wrong here imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 15:56:15 GMT
Sorry bulbous. You accept government facilitation of tens of thousand of unnecessary deaths if you want to. But the blame's coming, and is absolutely vital to stopping the devastation. You either know very different doctors to me, or yours aren't confiding in you. Back on topic, League One ends when stadium football resumes, which won't be in 2020, and might not be in 2021 if we cannot or choose not to attempt eradication of COVID-19. A more pertinent questions is how to enable the survival of the football clubs (especially ours) in the mean time. I'd love to read answers to that one. doctors and scientists leading the policy , ill go with that no worries
anyway we disagree and it matters not a jot really it will all pan out when we look back and reflect, right enough of that from me
it seems a lifetime back now everyone was moaning about results, what we would give for that now
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 16:09:16 GMT
We now have massive queues outside of b and q stores to get wallpaper etc but i cannot see my grand children or my elderly dad? Something badly wrong here imo. Keep doing the right thing Vertigo, it's hard, but it won't be for ever. Don't get dragged down to the level of morons who think that going out to buy a scratch card is more important that the health of you or your loved ones.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 26, 2020 16:25:03 GMT
We now have massive queues outside of b and q stores to get wallpaper etc but i cannot see my grand children or my elderly dad? Something badly wrong here imo. Keep doing the right thing Vertigo, it's hard, but it won't be for ever. Don't get dragged down to the level of morons who think that going out to buy a scratch card is more important that the health of you or your loved ones. Here here
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 26, 2020 16:34:22 GMT
If EFL and everyone is getting picky on where a season should end if not completed, why can we all agree to end the season on December 26th, at half time?
Seems as ludicrous as ending it any other place in an uncompleted season that suits or not suits clubs..
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 27, 2020 7:42:58 GMT
If EFL and everyone is getting picky on where a season should end if not completed, why can we all agree to end the season on December 26th, at half time? Seems as ludicrous as ending it any other place in an uncompleted season that suits or not suits clubs.. YAY! Promotion. Happy Days. BOO! No open top bus celebration due to the lockdown. What will Jim's Jottings make of this? On a slightly more serious note. Some people are suggesting that there will be no stadium filled (or half filled) til next year? Surely that wipes out football Clubs in the lower leagues? People on the payroll and bills to pay and zero revenue for the foreseeable future? I wonder which Club throws in the towel first? Fingers well and truly crossed.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 27, 2020 9:44:51 GMT
If EFL and everyone is getting picky on where a season should end if not completed, why can we all agree to end the season on December 26th, at half time? Seems as ludicrous as ending it any other place in an uncompleted season that suits or not suits clubs.. YAY! Promotion. Happy Days. BOO! No open top bus celebration due to the lockdown. What will Jim's Jottings make of this? On a slightly more serious note. Some people are suggesting that there will be no stadium filled (or half filled) til next year? Surely that wipes out football Clubs in the lower leagues? People on the payroll and bills to pay and zero revenue for the foreseeable future? I wonder which Club throws in the towel first? Fingers well and truly crossed. Gonna be interesting how the house of cards are going to topple.... because it's inevitable some will. Thanks for the likes, and I hope everyone can see the point that stopping the season part way through works for some and not others depending on when you decide to stop. There's still alot of football to be played, and even though we may not be able to go up or down, we can affect those whom potentially can. So we play an important part. As I see it the season has to finish. No matter how long it takes.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 27, 2020 9:50:39 GMT
YAY! Promotion. Happy Days. BOO! No open top bus celebration due to the lockdown. What will Jim's Jottings make of this? On a slightly more serious note. Some people are suggesting that there will be no stadium filled (or half filled) til next year? Surely that wipes out football Clubs in the lower leagues? People on the payroll and bills to pay and zero revenue for the foreseeable future? I wonder which Club throws in the towel first? Fingers well and truly crossed. Gonna be interesting how the house of cards are going to topple.... because it's inevitable some will. Thanks for the likes, and I hope everyone can see the point that stopping the season part way through works for some and not others depending on when you decide to stop. There's still alot of football to be played, and even though we may not be able to go up or down, we can affect those whom potentially can. So we play an important part. As I see it the season has to finish. No matter how long it takes. Right now I just hope we have a club to return too. I knew it was a big deal for me but didn’t realise just how much. I would love to be able to go. It has robbed me of my main social event.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 27, 2020 9:53:59 GMT
Gonna be interesting how the house of cards are going to topple.... because it's inevitable some will. Thanks for the likes, and I hope everyone can see the point that stopping the season part way through works for some and not others depending on when you decide to stop. There's still alot of football to be played, and even though we may not be able to go up or down, we can affect those whom potentially can. So we play an important part. As I see it the season has to finish. No matter how long it takes. Right now I just hope we have a club to return too. I knew it was a big deal for me but didn’t realise just how much. I would love to be able to go. It has robbed me of my main social event. Absolutely agree. It isn't just about football, it's about community. How's about this: the club will probably go bust because who's gonna come in and buy out debt? Just let it go. Then start up again. With the consortium that were rumoured to be interested. Some businesses operate like that for a pastime.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 10:30:58 GMT
So your position has moved from 'all good' because we've taken best advice, to, 'it's rubbish, let's blame China'. That didn't take long. Our response has been a farce from the get go. There'll be a reckoning for this. Sadly, our political system is about as robust as your doctors and scientists, 5 minutes with Andrew Neil examining his conduct as DPP and in charge of the CPS and Starmer will be done for, so I don't know who is going to hold this government to account, but it's not going to be Labour. BTW, there was a live broadcast from a British girl's flat in Wuhan back in early January, she was locked in by order of the local authorities, this was broadcast here, in the UK, so enough already with excuses. Oh aye lockdows have worked . The only thing lockdown is for is to control patient number flow. Until a vaccine is found we are goosed. As for china who are you pinning the blame on if not them ? Labour ? Waste of space who's saying different? Not me Just realised what you wrote here. The only thing that lockdown is for is to control rate of infection? If that's the case you had better explain to the NZ government that they've got this horribly wrong. They shut borders and imposed a proper lockdown, now they are recording single digit new cases each day, they've all but eradicated it in the country. They listened to competent scientists and doctors, not the cretins we've obviously used here. Australia recorded 16 new cases on Sunday, that's not deaths, that's new cases. I think that phased spread so that the NHS could cope was Plan A, but the NZ and Aussie models show that a proper lockdown stops this thing dead in it's tracks. We need to shut take aways, B&Q, our borders etc, do this thing properly. All good you say, now we have the NZ and Australia models, where they've done what I said, maybe you would like to reconsider? Just for clarity, the buck stops with the person who put themselves forward to sit in the big chair. I blame Johnson.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 27, 2020 10:42:17 GMT
Right now I just hope we have a club to return too. I knew it was a big deal for me but didn’t realise just how much. I would love to be able to go. It has robbed me of my main social event. Absolutely agree. It isn't just about football, it's about community. How's about this: the club will probably go bust because who's gonna come in and buy out debt? Just let it go. Then start up again. With the consortium that were rumoured to be interested. Some businesses operate like that for a pastime. I know & it’s not like the governments of both parties have not had ample opportunity to deal with this. I don’t get it. I was advised to go bust but I and my parents felt bad in doing so, so they helped me & I paid my folks back, over a 10+ period. Most don’t have that capacity. They are more than ok, leaving others to suffer. Just look towards AG. They ruined many local businesses but not even a token gesture. I heard Geoff Merrick on the radio and he is still very angry about it. They didn’t tear up their contract out of some altruistic act but out of fear, abuse and major damage to property. It was quite something to hear. I do have it but on an old desktop PC that hasn’t been booted up in over 8 years
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Post by irishrover on Apr 27, 2020 11:29:25 GMT
I'm amazed (actually not that surprised) at the lack of co-ordination between the major leagues of Europe. Scotland cancelled but Germany has just committed to starting up again Mid-May and Italy seems desperate to complete despite being in such a dire situation. Surely they needed to find a common way forward on this or they completely mess up the calender and also the transfer market, contract regulations etc. I think some lawyers are going to become very rich based on the decisions that have been taken. It just highlights how fragmented football actually is.
If there's any kind of cancellation or shortening of the season I can't see how you could possibly justify promotion/relegation but that's what they seem to have done in Scotland and no one seems too bothered about it so maybe I'm just wrong but there's so much more money in English football. You can't see Leeds/WBA taking it lying down if they just cancel the season - and they'd have a point because why should the likes of Norwich get a reprieve? One thing they could do I suppose is have automatic promotion without relegation within the league only and just run a season with extra teams in PL, Champ and League 1. Not ideal but there are sort of precedents for it when they originally set-up the Premier League and then whittled it down over a couple of seasons. So it could be done.
I am surprised how quickly some leagues have acted to cancel seasons because we don't know where we stand. There's no guarantee of starting the next season on time after all so cancelling the thing doesn't necessarily get you anywhere.
Yes, of course, our pampered PL players are going to agree to play 4 extra games, not a problem. The organisations who have cancelled / ended the competitions are the ones living in the real world, anybody who thinks it's going to be safe to either take part in contact sport or attend a crowded stadium in the next couple of months is either just stupid or hasn't been paying the slightest bit of attention to World events since December. Or, of course there's a 3rd possibility, they wouldn't be exposing themselves to any risk but would be happy for participants and spectators to do that so that they could make money. That's pretty clear. But the key question isn't that so much as what happens afterwards. It's not immediately clear to me that cancelling the season necessarily gets you anywhere because there's no guarantee of starting a new one in August anyway. In fact currently odds would be against that I would think. So cancelling the season may not make re-starting it all again any easier anyway particuarly if there's uneveness in the way football re-starts which looks like what we're going to get. Germany is taling about re-starting in Mid-May whereas there's scenario where England might not be in a positon to do so till the end of the year at the earliest.
I think players would be delighted to play an extra 4 games a year if their incomes relied on it.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 27, 2020 11:42:18 GMT
YAY! Promotion. Happy Days. BOO! No open top bus celebration due to the lockdown. What will Jim's Jottings make of this? On a slightly more serious note. Some people are suggesting that there will be no stadium filled (or half filled) til next year? Surely that wipes out football Clubs in the lower leagues? People on the payroll and bills to pay and zero revenue for the foreseeable future? I wonder which Club throws in the towel first? Fingers well and truly crossed. Gonna be interesting how the house of cards are going to topple.... because it's inevitable some will. Thanks for the likes, and I hope everyone can see the point that stopping the season part way through works for some and not others depending on when you decide to stop. There's still alot of football to be played, and even though we may not be able to go up or down, we can affect those whom potentially can. So we play an important part. As I see it the season has to finish. No matter how long it takes. I just can't see it myself. The Dutch top tier are cancelling - I think with a combination of Govt. advice and the financial implications of completing the season. The Accrington Chairman (well run Club, operate at a tiny profit, average gates roughly quarter of ours, embedded within their own community) has said if he was asked to play out the season behind closed doors, he would rather forfeit every game, get penalised and relegated to ensure that there is still a Club in existence next season. He talks a lot of sense IMHO. The polar opposite of Darrah MacAnthony. And the latest words of wisdom from Peterborough. Barry Fry (Dir. of football): www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/sport/football/peterborough-united/peterborough-uniteds-barry-fry-says-85-efl-clubs-want-2019-20-season-finish-and-he-believes-90-clubs-would-take-straight-talking-darragh-macanthony-their-chairman-2549504I'm really really beginning to despise that football Club.
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Post by womble on Apr 27, 2020 11:43:30 GMT
Oh aye lockdows have worked . The only thing lockdown is for is to control patient number flow. Until a vaccine is found we are goosed. As for china who are you pinning the blame on if not them ? Labour ? Waste of space who's saying different? Not me Just realised what you wrote here. The only thing that lockdown is for is to control rate of infection? If that's the case you had better explain to the NZ government that they've got this horribly wrong. They shut borders and imposed a proper lockdown, now they are recording single digit new cases each day, they've all but eradicated it in the country. They listened to competent scientists and doctors, not the cretins we've obviously used here. Australia recorded 16 new cases on Sunday, that's not deaths, that's new cases. I think that phased spread so that the NHS could cope was Plan A, but the NZ and Aussie models show that a proper lockdown stops this thing dead in it's tracks. We need to shut take aways, B&Q, our borders etc, do this thing properly. All good you say, now we have the NZ and Australia models, where they've done what I said, maybe you would like to reconsider? Just for clarity, the buck stops with the person who put themselves forward to sit in the big chair. I blame Johnson. Although we clearly locked down too late, NZ and Australia have advantages we don’t, in the shape of an overall low population density as well as low density cities. New Zealand has an excellent PM, but if even Australia's Scott Morrison can get it right, it doesn’t reflect well on our government.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 12:04:10 GMT
Yes, of course, our pampered PL players are going to agree to play 4 extra games, not a problem. The organisations who have cancelled / ended the competitions are the ones living in the real world, anybody who thinks it's going to be safe to either take part in contact sport or attend a crowded stadium in the next couple of months is either just stupid or hasn't been paying the slightest bit of attention to World events since December. Or, of course there's a 3rd possibility, they wouldn't be exposing themselves to any risk but would be happy for participants and spectators to do that so that they could make money. That's pretty clear. But the key question isn't that so much as what happens afterwards. It's not immediately clear to me that cancelling the season necessarily gets you anywhere because there's no guarantee of starting a new one in August anyway. In fact currently odds would be against that I would think. So cancelling the season may not make re-starting it all again any easier anyway particuarly if there's uneveness in the way football re-starts which looks like what we're going to get. Germany is taling about re-starting in Mid-May whereas there's scenario where England might not be in a positon to do so till the end of the year at the earliest.
I think players would be delighted to play an extra 4 games a year if their incomes relied on it.
Of course, there is a way that professional sport could start again. Just do what some of us have been saying should have happened from day 1 and what's been done in NZ, then in around a month maybe we could start making plans for the future. See those selfish cnuts sunbathing in parks, stop asking them to go home, give them lengthy custodial sentences, 1 day of that would stop it dead in its tracks. No point in looking all sad and surprised when the daily death figures are announced if we aren't dealing with the problem seriously. Now, it's lunch time, what do you think, should we get maybe a pizza delivered that someone has had to travel to the shop to make, then has breathed all over, then has handled the box, then we can get it delivered by some scruffy bloke on a filthy old scooter who will have his hands all over the box as well. What do ya reckon, double cheese, extra pepperoni, what's it worth risking your life for?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 12:32:55 GMT
I think League 1 and 2 will be cancelled soon, the league will be worked out on PPG with those in automatic places promoted. The Playoffs won't go ahead so our league will see the bottom three relegated and the top three from League Two promoted, 2 down from the Championship and one up from the Conference with Stevenage saved.
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