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Post by eppinggas on Apr 25, 2020 10:04:19 GMT
Some precedent: Scotland: Season has finished outside the top tier. Some promotion/relegation issues still to be sorted out as I think the Scottish FA are discussing league restructuring. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52417876Holland: Season has finished. No promotion/relegation. No Champions. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52418048England: Season has finished below tier 4. But still discussing promotion/relegation issues. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52414107England: PL looking to finish behind closed doors with TV revenue - potentially the championship goes the same way. England: Tier 3 and 4. I think inevitably the season has finished. How issues are resolved between promotion and relegation... anyone's guess. The complexity of sorting out dynamics between tiers 1-7 and promotion/relegation issues, and getting a constitutional agreement between the 160 odd Clubs involved. Going to be fun. The 'simplest' way would appear to be the Dutch approach. Maybe the PL/Championship does not finish after all (it can't finish without relegation - or what's the point? Just a long drawn out process to see who are champions / qualify for Europe?). So no promotion or relegation. No champions. Just look at the look on the scousers faces.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 10:14:27 GMT
Some payback for the vile Liverpool fans at last after they got us all banned from Europe at a time when Everton were a force to be reckoned with and stood a very good chance of winning a European title.
They still laugh about it now. Well, not so funny now is it you cheeky, salt of the earth loveable Scousers.
How L1 ends isn't our problem, whether Rovers will exist when L1 starts again is more of a worry right now.
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 25, 2020 10:54:16 GMT
I think we should cancel the season now. Who knows when football can start again and i think its better to prepare for a new season whenever that is than trying to finish something
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Post by irishrover on Apr 25, 2020 11:48:25 GMT
I'm amazed (actually not that surprised) at the lack of co-ordination between the major leagues of Europe. Scotland cancelled but Germany has just committed to starting up again Mid-May and Italy seems desperate to complete despite being in such a dire situation. Surely they needed to find a common way forward on this or they completely mess up the calender and also the transfer market, contract regulations etc. I think some lawyers are going to become very rich based on the decisions that have been taken. It just highlights how fragmented football actually is.
If there's any kind of cancellation or shortening of the season I can't see how you could possibly justify promotion/relegation but that's what they seem to have done in Scotland and no one seems too bothered about it so maybe I'm just wrong but there's so much more money in English football. You can't see Leeds/WBA taking it lying down if they just cancel the season - and they'd have a point because why should the likes of Norwich get a reprieve? One thing they could do I suppose is have automatic promotion without relegation within the league only and just run a season with extra teams in PL, Champ and League 1. Not ideal but there are sort of precedents for it when they originally set-up the Premier League and then whittled it down over a couple of seasons. So it could be done.
I am surprised how quickly some leagues have acted to cancel seasons because we don't know where we stand. There's no guarantee of starting the next season on time after all so cancelling the thing doesn't necessarily get you anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 12:00:14 GMT
I'm amazed (actually not that surprised) at the lack of co-ordination between the major leagues of Europe. Scotland cancelled but Germany has just committed to starting up again Mid-May and Italy seems desperate to complete despite being in such a dire situation. Surely they needed to find a common way forward on this or they completely mess up the calender and also the transfer market, contract regulations etc. I think some lawyers are going to become very rich based on the decisions that have been taken. It just highlights how fragmented football actually is.
If there's any kind of cancellation or shortening of the season I can't see how you could possibly justify promotion/relegation but that's what they seem to have done in Scotland and no one seems too bothered about it so maybe I'm just wrong but there's so much more money in English football. You can't see Leeds/WBA taking it lying down if they just cancel the season - and they'd have a point because why should the likes of Norwich get a reprieve? One thing they could do I suppose is have automatic promotion without relegation within the league only and just run a season with extra teams in PL, Champ and League 1. Not ideal but there are sort of precedents for it when they originally set-up the Premier League and then whittled it down over a couple of seasons. So it could be done.
I am surprised how quickly some leagues have acted to cancel seasons because we don't know where we stand. There's no guarantee of starting the next season on time after all so cancelling the thing doesn't necessarily get you anywhere.
Yes, of course, our pampered PL players are going to agree to play 4 extra games, not a problem. The organisations who have cancelled / ended the competitions are the ones living in the real world, anybody who thinks it's going to be safe to either take part in contact sport or attend a crowded stadium in the next couple of months is either just stupid or hasn't been paying the slightest bit of attention to World events since December. Or, of course there's a 3rd possibility, they wouldn't be exposing themselves to any risk but would be happy for participants and spectators to do that so that they could make money.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Apr 25, 2020 12:00:54 GMT
It never ends, only regenerates...
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 25, 2020 12:18:43 GMT
Some payback for the vile Liverpool fans at last after they got us all banned from Europe at a time when Everton were a force to be reckoned with and stood a very good chance of winning a European title. They still laugh about it now. Well, not so funny now is it you cheeky, salt of the earth loveable Scousers. How L1 ends isn't our problem, whether Rovers will exist when L1 starts again is more of a worry right now. Indeed. And it also begs the question - how many League 1 & 2 Clubs will still be in existence when the season finally re-starts? Their are a number of Clubs towards the bottom of League 2 that have fairly well documented financial problems... and this was prior to the crisis. Stevenage, Morecambe, Macclesfield, Oldham, Carlisle for starters. Southend in our division are teetering on the brink. Tough times for football. But of little consequence in the greater scheme of things.
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 25, 2020 12:52:18 GMT
'Not with a bang but a whimper'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 13:22:35 GMT
Some payback for the vile Liverpool fans at last after they got us all banned from Europe at a time when Everton were a force to be reckoned with and stood a very good chance of winning a European title. They still laugh about it now. Well, not so funny now is it you cheeky, salt of the earth loveable Scousers. How L1 ends isn't our problem, whether Rovers will exist when L1 starts again is more of a worry right now. Indeed. And it also begs the question - how many League 1 & 2 Clubs will still be in existence when the season finally re-starts? Their are a number of Clubs towards the bottom of League 2 that have fairly well documented financial problems... and this was prior to the crisis. Stevenage, Morecambe, Macclesfield, Oldham, Carlisle for starters. Southend in our division are teetering on the brink. Tough times for football. But of little consequence in the greater scheme of things. Football isn't starting again in the immediate future, I'll be amazed if we don't lose some of the Leaguer clubs before it resumes. Maybe this was coming anyway, but it's certainly put extra pressure on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 13:27:46 GMT
I think we should cancel the season now. Who knows when football can start again and i think its better to prepare for a new season whenever that is than trying to finish something I can identify, because as Gasheads, this season's over, or a bit s**t, one of the two. But impartially, we should finish the season. I can see stadium entertainment being shut for a year in total. So break for a year, and finish this season then. The 2019-21 super season. It's only fair. So I cannot understand selling season tickets for a 2020-1 season I don't think will exist. It's charity to pay.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 13:56:29 GMT
im biased as i like leeds but for me you finish the present season before you start a new one, whenever it is
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 14:06:06 GMT
im biased as i like leeds but for me you finish the present season before you start a new one, whenever it is But the good news is that the fat bloke who never watches a minute of football and spends every moment trying to goad visiting supporters at Elland Rd will probably be incandescent with rage.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 14:29:20 GMT
im biased as i like leeds but for me you finish the present season before you start a new one, whenever it is But the good news is that the fat bloke who never watches a minute of football and spends every moment trying to goad visiting supporters at Elland Rd will probably be incandescent with rage. Leeds will go mad and they've every right to go mad
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 15:03:31 GMT
But the good news is that the fat bloke who never watches a minute of football and spends every moment trying to goad visiting supporters at Elland Rd will probably be incandescent with rage. Leeds will go mad and they've every right to go mad Oh well, best speak to China first for not containing the virus, then the UK government for acting like imbeciles in the way they've handled this. Once they've had those conversations they can have a word with huge swathes of Asia and the sub-continent and try to convince them that it's not cool to eat everything that moves, and if you absolutely must, maybe consider some notion of hygiene and humane treatment for fellow living creatures.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 25, 2020 15:33:21 GMT
Some payback for the vile Liverpool fans at last after they got us all banned from Europe at a time when Everton were a force to be reckoned with and stood a very good chance of winning a European title. They still laugh about it now. Well, not so funny now is it you cheeky, salt of the earth loveable Scousers. How L1 ends isn't our problem, whether Rovers will exist when L1 starts again is more of a worry right now. You really think they needed more payback, after Hillsboro, am stunned by this but you are not alone. I can’t understand how some can hate on something like this. It truly goes beyond my comprehension
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 15:52:32 GMT
Some payback for the vile Liverpool fans at last after they got us all banned from Europe at a time when Everton were a force to be reckoned with and stood a very good chance of winning a European title. They still laugh about it now. Well, not so funny now is it you cheeky, salt of the earth loveable Scousers. How L1 ends isn't our problem, whether Rovers will exist when L1 starts again is more of a worry right now. You really think they needed more payback, after Hillsboro, am stunned by this but you are not alone. I can’t understand how some can hate on something like this. It truly goes beyond my comprehension There was some context there KP, it was around winning things, Hillsborough hadn't even entered into my mind. But we can, if you like, have an honest, no holds barred, fact based discussion about the horrific events of that day and the disgusting way in which the Police, media and politicians reacted?
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 25, 2020 15:52:38 GMT
But the good news is that the fat bloke who never watches a minute of football and spends every moment trying to goad visiting supporters at Elland Rd will probably be incandescent with rage. Leeds will go mad and they've every right to go mad Yes they have as will WBA and all the other clubs like Liverpool, Barrow, Swindon, Crewe, Coventry, Rotherham etc if they have completed 4/5 of the season. And it’s not like Leeds have a monopoly on idiots, all clubs have them and I’m sure Villa, Norwich, Bournemouth, Wigan, and anyone else who might “profit” from the season ending void have their fate share. Had it been suspended in September or October with few games played it would be different but after 4/5 of the season the season should finish, either played later on some other means that won’t disadvantage clubs at the top off their leagues. Can you imagine how gasheads would feel if we were in that position or even in Barrow’s place, waiting for over 40 years to get back in the league. So of course you finish the league when it is safe to do so. Solving the CV crisis is the priority at the moment but leaders in their own fields should be looking at ways to resume ‘normality’ when it comes and finishing what is nearly finished is important imo. But reading and listening to the various media streams makes me think it’s 50/50 as to whether we finish or not. I suspect it will be a mish-mash of leagues finishing and not finishing and that’s just in this country. And that wouldn’t be fair. UTG!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 25, 2020 16:10:01 GMT
You really think they needed more payback, after Hillsboro, am stunned by this but you are not alone. I can’t understand how some can hate on something like this. It truly goes beyond my comprehension There was some context there KP, it was around winning things, Hillsborough hadn't even entered into my mind. But we can, if you like, have an honest, no holds barred, fact based discussion about the horrific events of that day and the disgusting way in which the Police, media and politicians reacted? I’d rather not as I get very emotional over Hillsboro and it still can bring me to tears. I feel great sympathy and empathy to the fami,ies left behind. It’s one I can only talk to my nephew about but thanks for the offer
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Post by bluetornados on Apr 25, 2020 16:58:44 GMT
IMO finish this season whenever it is safe to do so, cancel next season as all the leagues can finish this season safely, no rushing, everything domestic can come to it's natural end, have a proper pre-season whenever that may be and start the new season in august 2021.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2020 19:53:58 GMT
Leeds will go mad and they've every right to go mad Oh well, best speak to China first for not containing the virus, then the UK government for acting like imbeciles in the way they've handled this. Once they've had those conversations they can have a word with huge swathes of Asia and the sub-continent and try to convince them that it's not cool to eat everything that moves, and if you absolutely must, maybe consider some notion of hygiene and humane treatment for fellow living creatures. Leeds will go mad and they've every right to go mad
that was me referring to ray tinkler stiffing leeds v wba back in the day
as for our goverment our policy is led by doctors and scientists, good by me
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