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Post by Rex on Apr 23, 2020 13:03:35 GMT
Yes they should. But, and forgive me if I'm wrong as I've tried to avoid saturation coverage of all this, didn't they say at the start that the reason they didn't jump straight in with testing was exactly for that reason - that they didn't believe the tests were accurate? As for press conferences sounding like 'look what we've done' - would that be because others are accusing them of not doing enough? Maybe they're not, but accusations are bound to elicit a response, surely.
Anyhow, back to checking in. I'm fine, hope everyone else is too. And sympathies to those who have posted not such good news on here. Tough times Yes that is quite possible of course. Checking in wise I am fine too, apart from getting into even more debates on the internet than I did before lockdown (and I used to get into far too many then!)
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Post by Swedish Gas on Apr 23, 2020 14:01:22 GMT
A thoughtful member has suggested a thread for people to 'check in' every now and again as we go through these difficult times. I know a lot of people read, but don't necessarily post. Post to show you're OK. Post if you're feeling a bit down. Can others help or lend support? I know this isn't Rovers specifically related. Gasheads, Sh*theads and any other Heads might need help. All welcome. UTG. Posting from an non-lockdown Sweden. Work at the hospital but not with patients, my colleagues do though... All is good but missing football so much...at least i get to kick around in the park, I feel for everyone stuck indoors
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 27, 2020 9:47:57 GMT
I’m getting by and have been walking again & reconnecting with nature. Sadly, I have no one who lives nearby and who will talk, even at distance. The funny thing is that, when I walk, strangers do talk so it’s a New Cheltenham thing. I have decent neighbours but I guess they are fearful. I had a very rough period around 2 weeks ago but am fighting back now. Just wish the hedge and grass would give it a rest. I can get very ill if I try to do too much but I hate leaving jobs half done
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Post by bluetornados on May 4, 2020 2:24:43 GMT
Amazing how we all cherish everyday things now when it's not there any longer, sport at the pub, a pint, a meal out, the seaside, a holiday.
Our gardens front and back have never looked so good and all the little odd jobs are now getting done.
Keep well and safe everyone...U.T.G.
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Post by bluetornados on May 12, 2020 22:41:11 GMT
All good here, we can now get out more and for a lot longer too, Boris and his team left a very confused public on sunday, personally i think it is a bit early to be relaxing so many rules, the iron lady from scotland has got it about right IMO.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 10:07:26 GMT
All good here, we can now get out more and for a lot longer too, Boris and his team left a very confused public on sunday, personally i think it is a bit early to be relaxing so many rules, the iron lady from scotland has got it about right IMO. Makes no difference what Boris says. I passed Mina road park yesterday, it was as busy as I've ever seen it. Not just that people's walk through the park happened at the same time, there were games going on between groups of people, literally dozens sat on the grass in groups. This is why the daily death figures won't come below 500, no point blaming the politicians any more, blame them for reacting too slowly and getting it wrong at the start, but blame idiots for what's happening now. This is going to be a long hard slog. For what it's worth, I understood what was said on Sunday, maybe if I had a political bias against the person or party delivering the message I would pretend it was confusing.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 10:10:54 GMT
All good here, we can now get out more and for a lot longer too, Boris and his team left a very confused public on sunday, personally i think it is a bit early to be relaxing so many rules, the iron lady from scotland has got it about right IMO. Makes no difference what Boris says. I passed Mina road park yesterday, it was as busy as I've ever seen it. Not just that people's walk through the park happened at the same time, there were games going on between groups of people, literally dozens sat on the grass in groups. This is why the daily death figures won't come below 500, no point blaming the politicians any more, blame them for reacting too slowly and getting it wrong at the start, but blame idiots for what's happening now. This is going to be a long hard slog. For what it's worth, I understood what was said on Sunday, maybe if I had a political bias against the person or party delivering the message I would pretend it was confusing. You have no political bias?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 10:30:25 GMT
Makes no difference what Boris says. I passed Mina road park yesterday, it was as busy as I've ever seen it. Not just that people's walk through the park happened at the same time, there were games going on between groups of people, literally dozens sat on the grass in groups. This is why the daily death figures won't come below 500, no point blaming the politicians any more, blame them for reacting too slowly and getting it wrong at the start, but blame idiots for what's happening now. This is going to be a long hard slog. For what it's worth, I understood what was said on Sunday, maybe if I had a political bias against the person or party delivering the message I would pretend it was confusing. You have no political bias? I didn't say that, I said that if I had a political bias against the person or party delivering Sunday's message then I may be pretending to be confused. I do have a bias against the stupidity and selfishness of the people who simply won't follow guidelines. Not sure why you think it's clever to try to knock me for any kind of political bias anyway, you've exposed yours on here on any number of occasions. Thanks again for doing the job you do, I'm not sure I would, I may have thrown a 7 week sickie. Take care Vertigo.
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Post by warehamgas on May 13, 2020 10:39:00 GMT
Glad to hear people as well as can be. Feel a bit sorry for BJ. Whilst it was a simple “stay at home” message it was easy to pass on and for people to act on. Now we’re coming out, it’s a far more nuanced message. I thought it was as clear as it could be on Sunday but some feel differently. But as it changes by degree some will interpret it differently. His biggest misconception was he said act with some common sense. He should know common sense isn’t so common! Some people will take advantage and take the p. 😉 UTG!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 11:00:54 GMT
Glad to hear people as well as can be. Feel a bit sorry for BJ. Whilst it was a simple “stay at home” message it was easy to pass on and for people to act on. Now we’re coming out, it’s a far more nuanced message. I thought it was as clear as it could be on Sunday but some feel differently. But as it changes by degree some will interpret it differently. His biggest misconception was he said act with some common sense. He should know common sense isn’t so common! Some people will take advantage and take the p. 😉 UTG! The problem is, large numbers of people were doing what they wanted to do anyway, too many to be Policed. What should the Police do, create a massive incident in Mina Rd park and arrest 200 people? These people are the reason that daily death figures won't fall below 500 and that Vertigo isn't able to see and hug his grandchildren, no point blaming Boris any more, blame our idiot population from this point on.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 11:23:53 GMT
You have no political bias? I didn't say that, I said that if I had a political bias against the person or party delivering Sunday's message then I may be pretending to be confused. I do have a bias against the stupidity and selfishness of the people who simply won't follow guidelines. Not sure why you think it's clever to try to knock me for any kind of political bias anyway, you've exposed yours on here on any number of occasions. Thanks again for doing the job you do, I'm not sure I would, I may have thrown a 7 week sickie. Take care Vertigo. Not knocking your obvious political bias but you appeared to suggest that anyone feeling confused about government guidelines could only feel that way because of bias against boris and co. Its a difficult situation for any government without a doubt,i just wish we did as well as several other countries in our response to the crisis. Not going to make a list of confusing issues but pro footballers can now get back playing soon with all the contact and saliva etc that comes with it and then go home/shopping etc but/ primary schools going back with kids mixing and going back home but you cannot have your grand children in your house with you. I think the whole thing is a bit of a muddle although of course some peoples behaviour make things worse.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 13, 2020 11:45:11 GMT
Political bias or not, there's no getting away that some messages have confused us all.
Mainly because I find the statistical analysis unreliable.
Peter Hitchens writes about the lockdown and necessity of giving our economy a heart attack/stroke. His political bias is explicit.
Again, the mainstream media have played their part in this sometimes pantomime performance of so say experts, scientists and government advisors. They have taken opportunity to present programming as an entertainment format, rather than impartial information service.
Apparently the government track was towards herd immunity until it was derailed by an advisor (that overreacted to foot and mouth crisis, amongst others) and decided to tell the population to lockdown until it suited him personally to indulge selfishly with a married lady.
There are a few benefactors to the way this was handled and the implications moving forward, and I'm sorry to say (as I see it) the few may economically prosper at the expense of the many.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 12:05:02 GMT
Political bias or not, there's no getting away that some messages have confused us all. Mainly because I find the statistical analysis unreliable. Peter Hitchens writes about the lockdown and necessity of giving our economy a heart attack/stroke. His political bias is explicit. Again, the mainstream media have played their part in this sometimes pantomime performance of so say experts, scientists and government advisors. They have taken opportunity to present programming as an entertainment format, rather than impartial information service. Apparently the government track was towards herd immunity until it was derailed by an advisor (that overreacted to foot and mouth crisis, amongst others) and decided to tell the population to lockdown until it suited him personally to indulge selfishly with a married lady. There are a few benefactors to the way this was handled and the implications moving forward, and I'm sorry to say (as I see it) the few may economically prosper at the expense of the many. Sadly for Peter, his Brother got his share of the intelligence. Ref MSM, the BBC seem determined to goad Boris until he does the inevitable. I just hope that when the BBC, once the envy of the world for it's impartiality and the quality of its journalism, is gone, those Liberal elites who can't believe that others don't think as they think everybody should, are pleased with themselves. A look across the pond at Fox and CNN shows you what comes next, and it's not pretty.
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Post by laughinggas on May 13, 2020 12:06:42 GMT
Glad to hear people as well as can be. Feel a bit sorry for BJ. Whilst it was a simple “stay at home” message it was easy to pass on and for people to act on. Now we’re coming out, it’s a far more nuanced message. I thought it was as clear as it could be on Sunday but some feel differently. But as it changes by degree some will interpret it differently. His biggest misconception was he said act with some common sense. He should know common sense isn’t so common! Some people will take advantage and take the p. 😉 UTG! The problem is, large numbers of people were doing what they wanted to do anyway, too many to be Policed. What should the Police do, create a massive incident in Mina Rd park and arrest 200 people? These people are the reason that daily death figures won't fall below 500 and that Vertigo isn't able to see and hug his grandchildren, no point blaming Boris any more, blame our idiot population from this point on. That appears to be his plan, not my fault it's you the people who were not vigilant.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 12:16:29 GMT
The problem is, large numbers of people were doing what they wanted to do anyway, too many to be Policed. What should the Police do, create a massive incident in Mina Rd park and arrest 200 people? These people are the reason that daily death figures won't fall below 500 and that Vertigo isn't able to see and hug his grandchildren, no point blaming Boris any more, blame our idiot population from this point on. That appears to be his plan, not my fault it's you the people who were not vigilant. Again, I have to deliver meds to a relative, I've been past The Downs and past Mina Road park, people just aren't following the guidelines and haven't been for weeks. Those guidelines were pretty simple; Stay Home. Save Lives. Protect The NHS. Which part of that was hard to grasp please?
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Post by laughinggas on May 13, 2020 12:40:35 GMT
That appears to be his plan, not my fault it's you the people who were not vigilant. Again, I have to deliver meds to a relative, I've been past The Downs and past Mina Road park, people just aren't following the guidelines and haven't been for weeks. Those guidelines were pretty simple; Stay Home. Save Lives. Protect The NHS. Which part of that was hard to grasp please? The stay at home effort has been better than expected, not perfect, but instead of reinforcing that message it has been downgraded for want of a better word. Get the impression that the masses just look at the headlines, and the message last week was lockdown was to be eased. There are many who don't understand the distance for social distancing or are just up themselves.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 12:52:09 GMT
Again, I have to deliver meds to a relative, I've been past The Downs and past Mina Road park, people just aren't following the guidelines and haven't been for weeks. Those guidelines were pretty simple; Stay Home. Save Lives. Protect The NHS. Which part of that was hard to grasp please? The stay at home effort has been better than expected, not perfect, but instead of reinforcing that message it has been downgraded for want of a better word. Get the impression that the masses just look at the headlines, and the message last week was lockdown was to be eased. There are many who don't understand the distance for social distancing or are just up themselves. Disagree with the better than expected bit. If you have a virus that you know is going to be life threatening to a large percentage of people who contract it, why would anybody risk spreading that? I'm just staggered that some people think it's OK to sunbathe in parks, and have been doing so since day 1. I have no idea what the common denominator is amongst those people, it's not money, Kyle Walker is wealthy enough and he doesn't care. Even after getting caught having sex workers visit his house he broke the rules again, multiple times in a single day, then tried to play the victim card by saying that nobody was taking his 'feelings' into account. What can you do when faced with this degree of stupidity?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 13:56:09 GMT
The stay at home effort has been better than expected, not perfect, but instead of reinforcing that message it has been downgraded for want of a better word. Get the impression that the masses just look at the headlines, and the message last week was lockdown was to be eased. There are many who don't understand the distance for social distancing or are just up themselves. Disagree with the better than expected bit. If you have a virus that you know is going to be life threatening to a large percentage of people who contract it, why would anybody risk spreading that? I'm just staggered that some people think it's OK to sunbathe in parks, and have been doing so since day 1. I have no idea what the common denominator is amongst those people, it's not money, Kyle Walker is wealthy enough and he doesn't care. Even after getting caught having sex workers visit his house he broke the rules again, multiple times in a single day, then tried to play the victim card by saying that nobody was taking his 'feelings' into account. What can you do when faced with this degree of stupidity? Disagree with this "If you have a virus that you know is going to be life threatening to a large percentage of people who contract it" Upto April 24 the segmented by age figures were Aged upto 15, total rounded population 10,000,000 Deaths 2 Aged upto 25, total rounded population 25,000,000 Deaths 27 Anyone aged around 90, well we know don't we. That's the trouble with Johnson style gross generalisations, they mislead. Now if social care had been properly funded, if the PPE stockpile had not been allowed to degrade past it's use by date, perhaps the horrifying death rates in older people may have been a lot less. In the enquiry to come the question to these morons in the Tory part has to be the following, surely "Did the austerity measures introduced in 2010 have a direct impact on Social Care and Pandemic Planning? "If so are you responsible for death by corporate negligence" "Given these questions and assuming the affirmative, can you explain how you managed to double the national debt at the same time?" "Given that you did double the national debt, will you apologise for leaving the country in a worse financial position than 2010 when now facing a potentially worse recession than 2010. A position in 2010 that had its roots in your party's laissez fairs attitude to financial markets originating in 1986. When found guilty then we can lock them in the tower and throw away the key.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 14:26:38 GMT
Yeah right Oldie, because 500 people dying every day is a tool for you to try to make political capital out of. Had these idiots have stayed at home, as advised, we would be broadly where NZ is today.
Do you really want another economic mauling in public? Just say the word. No PMs, happy to embarrass you, your daft ideas and love of the failed and corrupt EU in public.
How about this then, what's the next global or national disaster that will happen that we should invest to protect ourselves against right now? Quick, answer before 4pm today, I'll save the reply and we'll come back to it within the next 90 days. You don't want to not give the answer until after the event, that would just make you look like just another typical bitter lefty.
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Post by Rex on May 13, 2020 14:49:13 GMT
You have no political bias? I didn't say that, I said that if I had a political bias against the person or party delivering Sunday's message then I may be pretending to be confused. I do have a bias against the stupidity and selfishness of the people who simply won't follow guidelines. Not sure why you think it's clever to try to knock me for any kind of political bias anyway, you've exposed yours on here on any number of occasions. Thanks again for doing the job you do, I'm not sure I would, I may have thrown a 7 week sickie. Take care Vertigo. Dianne Abbott cocked up some figures on TV and is still ridiculed for it and Boris will get his fair share for his bumbling delivery. Apart from the massive clanger of getting Monday and Wednesday mixed up (you would have thought he made sure he got that bit right) I'd agree that it was pretty straight forward to understand what Boris was saying. The trouble is our politicians are so petrified of being caught out saying or doing the wrong thing that more time is spent on that rather than the content of what they say. It drives me up the bleedin wall when every answer at the press conference starts with 'Firstly can I thank the doctors, nurse, lorry, drivers, cleaners, blah f**king blah' just because they are frightened of a headline along the lines of 'Minister refuses to thank NHS staff'. It's an absolute nonsense , but the more determined journalists are to be seen as a tough cookie, the worse it will get. On a slightly different note, isn't PMQ's a million times better without the braying masses on the benches trying their best to drown each other out.
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