|
Post by laughinggas on May 13, 2020 14:53:05 GMT
So the formula is. Dont stay home = get virus Get virus = idiot Boris gets virus Boris = idiot.
Maybe an oversimplification of your post.
Compare to NZ? We did not react in the same way, they said no to herd solution, Boris said yes people will die.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 14:58:26 GMT
Yeah right Oldie, because 500 people dying every day is a tool for you to try to make political capital out of. Had these idiots have stayed at home, as advised, we would be broadly where NZ is today. Do you really want another economic mauling in public? Just say the word. No PMs, happy to embarrass you, your daft ideas and love of the failed and corrupt EU in public. How about this then, what's the next global or national disaster that will happen that we should invest to protect ourselves against right now? Quick, answer before 4pm today, I'll save the reply and we'll come back to it within the next 90 days. You don't want to not give the answer until after the event, that would just make you look like just another typical bitter lefty. If you choose to debate, address the points directly without deflection or diversion. And please no artificial rules and timings that you build in your own mind as a comfort cushion.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 15:02:28 GMT
I didn't say that, I said that if I had a political bias against the person or party delivering Sunday's message then I may be pretending to be confused. I do have a bias against the stupidity and selfishness of the people who simply won't follow guidelines. Not sure why you think it's clever to try to knock me for any kind of political bias anyway, you've exposed yours on here on any number of occasions. Thanks again for doing the job you do, I'm not sure I would, I may have thrown a 7 week sickie. Take care Vertigo. Dianne Abbott cocked up some figures on TV and is still ridiculed for it and Boris will get his fair share for his bumbling delivery. Apart from the massive clanger of getting Monday and Wednesday mixed up (you would have thought he made sure he got that bit right) I'd agree that it was pretty straight forward to understand what Boris was saying. The trouble is our politicians are so petrified of being caught out saying or doing the wrong thing that more time is spent on that rather than the content of what they say. It drives me up the bleedin wall when every answer at the press conference starts with 'Firstly can I thank the doctors, nurse, lorry, drivers, cleaners, blah fing blah' just because they are frightened of a headline along the lines of 'Minister refuses to thank NHS staff'. It's an absolute nonsense , but the more determined journalists are to be seen as a tough cookie, the worse it will get. On a slightly different note, isn't PMQ's a million times better without the braying masses on the benches trying their best to drown each other out. And a leader of the opposition that knows what he is doing
|
|
bluetornados
Predictions League
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 12,187
|
Post by bluetornados on May 13, 2020 15:24:25 GMT
Another 494 poor souls have lost their lives in the last 24 hours, as i said above, the scottish, welsh and irish leaders have not followed the UK PM and quite rightly too.
We have also noticed many flounting the rules from the start of lockdown, there will always be morons who think it will not happen to them..until it does.
IMO easing of some lockdown measures is way to early, we need to see the death figures in the tens and not in the hundreds for this to happen..(of course 0 is perfect).
Lots of stuff coming out about our government knowing about this last year / early this year and not acting quickly enough acquiring PPE and testing equipment.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 15:50:51 GMT
I didn't say that, I said that if I had a political bias against the person or party delivering Sunday's message then I may be pretending to be confused. I do have a bias against the stupidity and selfishness of the people who simply won't follow guidelines. Not sure why you think it's clever to try to knock me for any kind of political bias anyway, you've exposed yours on here on any number of occasions. Thanks again for doing the job you do, I'm not sure I would, I may have thrown a 7 week sickie. Take care Vertigo. Dianne Abbott cocked up some figures on TV and is still ridiculed for it and Boris will get his fair share for his bumbling delivery. Apart from the massive clanger of getting Monday and Wednesday mixed up (you would have thought he made sure he got that bit right) I'd agree that it was pretty straight forward to understand what Boris was saying. The trouble is our politicians are so petrified of being caught out saying or doing the wrong thing that more time is spent on that rather than the content of what they say. It drives me up the bleedin wall when every answer at the press conference starts with 'Firstly can I thank the doctors, nurse, lorry, drivers, cleaners, blah fing blah' just because they are frightened of a headline along the lines of 'Minister refuses to thank NHS staff'. It's an absolute nonsense , but the more determined journalists are to be seen as a tough cookie, the worse it will get. On a slightly different note, isn't PMQ's a million times better without the braying masses on the benches trying their best to drown each other out. Haven't watched this weeks PMQs yet, but last week didn't go well for Boris. I'm not standing on my doorstep engaging in this ridiculous clapping nonsense, people need to grow up a bit, it's like we are a nation of 5 year olds.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 16:01:21 GMT
Safe and well in sunny Devon.
The only issue I've encountered during this non-lockdown is other people so I stay as far away from the inconsiderate buggers as possible.
Stay safe and well all of you and love and best wishes to your loved ones.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 16:01:36 GMT
Yeah right Oldie, because 500 people dying every day is a tool for you to try to make political capital out of. Had these idiots have stayed at home, as advised, we would be broadly where NZ is today. Do you really want another economic mauling in public? Just say the word. No PMs, happy to embarrass you, your daft ideas and love of the failed and corrupt EU in public. How about this then, what's the next global or national disaster that will happen that we should invest to protect ourselves against right now? Quick, answer before 4pm today, I'll save the reply and we'll come back to it within the next 90 days. You don't want to not give the answer until after the event, that would just make you look like just another typical bitter lefty. If you choose to debate, address the points directly without deflection or diversion. And please no artificial rules and timings that you build in your own mind as a comfort cushion. All I'm saying is, don't wait until the day after the next disaster, then point and say that you would have invested heavily in that area. Just tell us now where you would invest and how you would fund that investment. You don't have a clue because your idea of economics is wholly discredited. You still think we should be tied to the bankrupt EU for goodness sake!
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 16:03:28 GMT
Another 494 poor souls have lost their lives in the last 24 hours, as i said above, the scottish, welsh and irish leaders have not followed the UK PM and quite rightly too. We have also noticed many flounting the rules from the start of lockdown, there will always be morons who think it will not happen to them..until it does. IMO easing of some lockdown measures is way to early, we need to see the death figures in the tens and not in the hundreds for this to happen..(of course 0 is perfect). Lots of stuff coming out about our government knowing about this last year / early this year and not acting quickly enough acquiring PPE and testing equipment. I agree with you. They are panicking over the economy and ignoring the threat to lives. I have a feeling the UK will still be struggling when other nations have come out the other side.
|
|
Rex
Predictions League
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 3,287
|
Post by Rex on May 13, 2020 16:05:01 GMT
Dianne Abbott cocked up some figures on TV and is still ridiculed for it and Boris will get his fair share for his bumbling delivery. Apart from the massive clanger of getting Monday and Wednesday mixed up (you would have thought he made sure he got that bit right) I'd agree that it was pretty straight forward to understand what Boris was saying. The trouble is our politicians are so petrified of being caught out saying or doing the wrong thing that more time is spent on that rather than the content of what they say. It drives me up the bleedin wall when every answer at the press conference starts with 'Firstly can I thank the doctors, nurse, lorry, drivers, cleaners, blah fing blah' just because they are frightened of a headline along the lines of 'Minister refuses to thank NHS staff'. It's an absolute nonsense , but the more determined journalists are to be seen as a tough cookie, the worse it will get. On a slightly different note, isn't PMQ's a million times better without the braying masses on the benches trying their best to drown each other out. Haven't watched this weeks PMQs yet, but last week didn't go well for Boris. I'm not standing on my doorstep engaging in this ridiculous clapping nonsense, people need to grow up a bit, it's like we are a nation of 5 year olds.I opened a email from South Gloucestershire council yesterday, hoping it would tell me when/if the tips were re-opening, it actually told me that today was national nurses day and they were encouraging people to shine a torch from their windows at 8.30. It made me swear very loudly.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 16:15:54 GMT
If you choose to debate, address the points directly without deflection or diversion. And please no artificial rules and timings that you build in your own mind as a comfort cushion. All I'm saying is, don't wait until the day after the next disaster, then point and say that you would have invested heavily in that area. Just tell us now where you would invest and how you would fund that investment. You don't have a clue because your idea of economics is wholly discredited. You still think we should be tied to the bankrupt EU for goodness sake! No issue if you don't wish to debate anything I say, why should you. This being the case just leave it, noting your discontent.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 16:17:47 GMT
Haven't watched this weeks PMQs yet, but last week didn't go well for Boris. I'm not standing on my doorstep engaging in this ridiculous clapping nonsense, people need to grow up a bit, it's like we are a nation of 5 year olds.I opened a email from South Gloucestershire council yesterday, hoping it would tell me when/if the tips were re-opening, it actually told me that today was national nurses day and they were encouraging people to shine a torch from their windows at 8.30. It made me swear very loudly. Agree with you and Bamber on this clapping / shining torches bollox.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 16:23:48 GMT
All I'm saying is, don't wait until the day after the next disaster, then point and say that you would have invested heavily in that area. Just tell us now where you would invest and how you would fund that investment. You don't have a clue because your idea of economics is wholly discredited. You still think we should be tied to the bankrupt EU for goodness sake! No issue if you don't wish to debate anything I say, why should you. This being the case just leave it, noting your discontent. It's you who is evading the point here. You like to stick the boot in and be wise after the event, so a simple question, just tell everybody where you would invest ready for the next national emergency and how you would fund it? Come on, it's not hard, what's going to happen, where are you going to invest, will it be a huge storm that kills hundreds, should we saddle future generations with debt for sea defences, should we invest in the military ready for a conflict somewhere, maybe something else? Obviously we can't do everything, so come on, you like to pretend that you have the answers after the event, tell us what we should do before catastrophe strikes.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 17:46:13 GMT
No issue if you don't wish to debate anything I say, why should you. This being the case just leave it, noting your discontent. It's you who is evading the point here. You like to stick the boot in and be wise after the event, so a simple question, just tell everybody where you would invest ready for the next national emergency and how you would fund it? Come on, it's not hard, what's going to happen, where are you going to invest, will it be a huge storm that kills hundreds, should we saddle future generations with debt for sea defences, should we invest in the military ready for a conflict somewhere, maybe something else? Obviously we can't do everything, so come on, you like to pretend that you have the answers after the event, tell us what we should do before catastrophe strikes. It's not wise after the event though is it. I argued long and hard that austerity was the wrong approach to the economic issues in 2010, as you well know. I argued for a Keynesian response, in the manner that Sunak is a applying now. Those of us who argued for that accepted that debt would rise in its actual sense but the debt as a % of GDP would not rise in the same curve as demand in the economy would be maintained (to the degree that it could be) but as importantly Public Services, the services the poorest in our society need the most, would be maintained. That's not what your heroes did. They immediately raised VAT back up from 15% to 20%, slashed planned infrastructure spending and slashed public service budgets. All the while promising a break even point in 2014 on public sector borrowing requirement. What they actually achieved was a large reduction in demand, this resulting in one of the longest U Curve recoveries from recession in history, a decimation of public services and just to out the cherry on the cake a DOUBLING of the national debt. You argued long and hard for their policies, and I presume, voted for them. Rather than asking me what I would do, I already told you ten years ago, just maybe you, and people like you who voted for this lot, should look back and consider what has happened as a result of your vote and the arguments you made. Then hang your head in shame.
|
|
topman
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 187
|
Post by topman on May 13, 2020 18:20:45 GMT
Hi everyone
Don't often post but gradually coming to the end of my 'to do' list at least until the local recycling unit agrees to open!
Think most feel the country has been caught with its trousers down in terms of PPE equipment etc even having to rely on stuff made in China ... the irony!
Could anyone have predicted the pandemic?
Maybe if the WHO actually directed its priorities away from political in fighting it could have?
Equally you could argue that USA should have anticipated September 11th? Or at least had defensive weaponry available at the Pentagon especially given Pearl Harbour experience
The virus is perhaps a penalty of a global economy easy access easy travel and the world turning a blind eye to the morals of countries in pursuit of financial gains
On a personal basis and as an OAP I have made a conscious choice in my life not to visit any country with overtly poor human or animal rights
Some may think that is small minded but everyone has their view
I notice that there is mention of the EU who in my opinion have been found to be both politically and economically impotent in this crisis
I voted to leave because the politicisation of empire building not because I dislike foreigners!
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 18:27:48 GMT
It's you who is evading the point here. You like to stick the boot in and be wise after the event, so a simple question, just tell everybody where you would invest ready for the next national emergency and how you would fund it? Come on, it's not hard, what's going to happen, where are you going to invest, will it be a huge storm that kills hundreds, should we saddle future generations with debt for sea defences, should we invest in the military ready for a conflict somewhere, maybe something else? Obviously we can't do everything, so come on, you like to pretend that you have the answers after the event, tell us what we should do before catastrophe strikes. It's not wise after the event though is it. I argued long and hard that austerity was the wrong approach to the economic issues in 2010, as you well know. I argued for a Keynesian response, in the manner that Sunak is a applying now. Those of us who argued for that accepted that debt would rise in its actual sense but the debt as a % of GDP would not rise in the same curve as demand in the economy would be maintained (to the degree that it could be) but as importantly Public Services, the services the poorest in our society need the most, would be maintained. That's not what your heroes did. They immediately raised VAT back up from 15% to 20%, slashed planned infrastructure spending and slashed public service budgets. All the while promising a break even point in 2014 on public sector borrowing requirement. What they actually achieved was a large reduction in demand, this resulting in one of the longest U Curve recoveries from recession in history, a decimation of public services and just to out the cherry on the cake a DOUBLING of the national debt. You argued long and hard for their policies, and I presume, voted for them. Rather than asking me what I would do, I already told you ten years ago, just maybe you, and people like you who voted for this lot, should look back and consider what has happened as a result of your vote and the arguments you made. Then hang your head in shame. No, stop it, that's just woo woo, it's just word salad, you aren't turning this on me. Where are you going to invest. Just 'in the economy' isn't a reply. You can't say, because every time you need to apply this nonsense to real world economics the numbers don't work. You are quite funny at times, you want to be taken seriously saying that Laffer is unproven theory, then you use it to underpin your attempt at an argument in your last post. Seriously, I've had more robust dialogue with children. You just don't think things through. That's not an attack on you, it's fair and square at what you are saying, it's jibberish. So let's keep it simple for you, rather than complain about PPE after the event, where should this government, today, invest to protect the population, so that when the next national emergency occurs you can point and say that you saw that emergency coming? This is the 3rd time I've asked, so how about an answer this time.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 18:31:37 GMT
Hi everyone Don't often post but gradually coming to the end of my 'to do' list at least until the local recycling unit agrees to open! Think most feel the country has been caught with its trousers down in terms of PPE equipment etc even having to rely on stuff made in China ... the irony! Could anyone have predicted the pandemic? Maybe if the WHO actually directed its priorities away from political in fighting it could have? Equally you could argue that USA should have anticipated September 11th? Or at least had defensive weaponry available at the Pentagon especially given Pearl Harbour experience The virus is perhaps a penalty of a global economy easy access easy travel and the world turning a blind eye to the morals of countries in pursuit of financial gains On a personal basis and as an OAP I have made a conscious choice in my life not to visit any country with overtly poor human or animal rights Some may think that is small minded but everyone has their view I notice that there is mention of the EU who in my opinion have been found to be both politically and economically impotent in this crisis I voted to leave because the politicisation of empire building not because I dislike foreigners! Colonies Mr Verhofstadt against their Empires, and that's why we're leaving, and we're glad to be leaving. We're off. You are Anne Widdicombe and I claim my £5.
|
|
topman
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 187
|
Post by topman on May 13, 2020 18:40:33 GMT
Mr Verhofstadt.... a fine upstanding example of a politician and has such a calm personality
|
|
kingswood Polak
Without music life would be a mistake
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 10,255
|
Post by kingswood Polak on May 21, 2020 10:26:32 GMT
So the formula is. Dont stay home = get virus Get virus = idiot Boris gets virus Boris = idiot. Maybe an oversimplification of your post. Compare to NZ? We did not react in the same way, they said no to herd solution, Boris said yes people will die. Have a close friend who, like me, is on the highly vulnerable list but got the virus even following the total isolation mandate. This virus seems to be able to get you even if you isolate. He had the last rites & was told he was not expected to survive the night. Luckily, he’s a real warrior and is finally home but is very confused as to how he got it, given he even stayed in a different house, on his huge chunk of property.
|
|
kingswood Polak
Without music life would be a mistake
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 10,255
|
Post by kingswood Polak on May 22, 2020 14:27:07 GMT
BTW. Out of this crappy virus, I have found a wonderful, kind, caring, intelligent and compassionate woman who I had been visiting over 5 months. I run out of adjectives to praise her, highly enough. We were both saying how we probably would not have had the time to be together if not for Covid. Just thought I’d share a little of my happiness.
|
|
|
Post by chelt_gas on May 22, 2020 14:51:07 GMT
BTW. Out of this crappy virus, I have found a wonderful, kind, caring, intelligent and compassionate woman who I had been visiting over 5 months. I run out of adjectives to praise her, highly enough. We were both saying how we probably would not have had the time to be together if not for Covid. Just thought I’d share a little of my happiness. Great story, there are a lot of good people around.
|
|