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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 21:46:17 GMT
Wael’s been saving face I see Wael, I believe has been in Jordan caring for and burying his father, I dont think he gives 2 hoots what I, or anyone else writes on an internet forum right now... But yeah you carry on with that logic....makes total sense... Well he wasn’t in Jordan when GC left was he? So, come on then, now you’ve brought it up tell us how you know GC was begging for his job back. Put your money where your mouth is or are you just another ITK clown like the Masters and Hamers that you are always deriding for doing exactly what you yourself do?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 22:03:59 GMT
So, he just decided, for no reason, to get extremely upset and all but resign during a post match interview? Luckily for me I don't have people around those tatty little rooms that we laughably call 'Executive Boxes' feeding me their slanted version of events. Mansfield did a cracking job of tapping him up and getting in his head pre game didnt they?! GC by nature is an emotional creature, it was a melting pot of the approach, him probably telling his family and getting some pressure there and then it spilling into the dressing room and then the result. And lets be honest, our own fans have to take some responsibility for it as well, we, as a whole club never took to him or his style of football, 50% of the fanbase whinged about his low press and long and high ball tactics, rather than appreciating the results he was getting. In all honesty, he probably didnt mean to say what he did, in the context that he did, but what he did say instantly made his position untenable. I've seen some managers come out and tell absolute believable barefaced lies that they are staying and the interest is flattering but they are happy at their club only to move 24 hours later. Oh and thats from by completely unbiased, tittle tattle free and horizontal perspective, which I like to call my own opinion...lets see if you're capable?! So you've just guessed all of that. OK.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 23:53:24 GMT
Whilst respecting the views of irishrover and Oldie about the Ben Garner appointment being part of a long term project I am afraid the evidence for it doesn't stack up. If it really had been a planned project surely our owner would have come out with a show of confidence and strength to demonstrate that, although the new stadium plans had not been realised, we were at least being proactive with a new football strategy. We would have been told about a new training ground which was going to be the base for the project and had it explained to us that building our own ground at Almondsbury was out of reach at the moment so we were choosing an alternative rented facility which would fit the bill for what Ben was aiming to do. And that Ben himself was going to be supported by a team of new coaches he had chosen specifically to help him bring about the player development we were looking to succeed with. But none of this has happened so, to me, the logical conclusion is that this is a "typical Rovers cock up" with a cheap and available manager replacement being found and then a story spun to make it look as though we knew what we were doing. What the owners did was back the new manager fully by bringing in 7 players including 3 permanent signings of which 2 included a transfer fee.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 0:04:24 GMT
Is there any truth do you think in the rumour that GC left in an angry way when he heard that the 'Board' had colluded with BG and were planning for him to take over. No wonder GC said after the win at Ipswich "I don't knot how much further I can take this team". I feel that the Board were Sh***ing on GC and he found out. I would say there is no truth in that rumour. How was the board 💩ing on GC exactly? It seems absolutely contemptuous to some that it was GC that shot himself in the feet and that he actually considered leaving of his own free will. What I do know is that if GC has kept his trap shut, he would have still been our manager if he had wanted to be, as come the Sunday morning he was on the phone begging for his job back by which time he has made his own position untenable. . I did not like "littlestokegas" smear without evidence post but your post is grossly unfair to coughlan. Your passing on your hearsay saying he was "begging for his job back",giving us so called "in the know crap" which coughlan himself cannot reply too. Maybe somebody told you that rubbish so you could spread it around to whoever is stupid enough to listen? Your being played by somebody high up at rovers it seems to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 0:09:30 GMT
I would say there is no truth in that rumour. How was the board 💩ing on GC exactly? It seems absolutely contemptuous to some that it was GC that shot himself in the feet and that he actually considered leaving of his own free will. What I do know is that if GC has kept his trap shut, he would have still been our manager if he had wanted to be, as come the Sunday morning he was on the phone begging for his job back by which time he has made his own position untenable. . I did not like "littlestokegas" smear without evidence post but your post is grossly unfair to coughlan. Your passing on your hearsay saying he was "begging for his job back",giving us so called "in the know crap" which coughlan himself cannot reply too. Maybe somebody told you that rubbish so you could spread it around to whoever is stupid enough to listen? Your being played by somebody high up at rovers it seems to me. Blunt. To the point. Insightful. Well said, Vertigo.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 25, 2020 7:29:30 GMT
Wael, I believe has been in Jordan caring for and burying his father, I dont think he gives 2 hoots what I, or anyone else writes on an internet forum right now... But yeah you carry on with that logic....makes total sense... Well he wasn’t in Jordan when GC left was he? So, come on then, now you’ve brought it up tell us how you know GC was begging for his job back. Put your money where your mouth is or are you just another ITK clown like the Masters and Hamers that you are always deriding for doing exactly what you yourself do? A senior first team player told me. I’m not saying who that player was because he is still in the matchday 11.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 25, 2020 7:30:42 GMT
I would say there is no truth in that rumour. How was the board 💩ing on GC exactly? It seems absolutely contemptuous to some that it was GC that shot himself in the feet and that he actually considered leaving of his own free will. What I do know is that if GC has kept his trap shut, he would have still been our manager if he had wanted to be, as come the Sunday morning he was on the phone begging for his job back by which time he has made his own position untenable. . I did not like "littlestokegas" smear without evidence post but your post is grossly unfair to coughlan. Your passing on your hearsay saying he was "begging for his job back",giving us so called "in the know crap" which coughlan himself cannot reply too. Maybe somebody told you that rubbish so you could spread it around to whoever is stupid enough to listen? Your being played by somebody high up at rovers it seems to me. I’m being played how exactly? For what reason, desire or motive?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 8:10:31 GMT
A senior first team player told me. I’m not saying who that player was because he is still in the matchday 11. So it was hearsay already before you were 'told' it? The player can only have been 'told' this second hand himself. I don't think it happened.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 10:14:16 GMT
Well he wasn’t in Jordan when GC left was he? So, come on then, now you’ve brought it up tell us how you know GC was begging for his job back. Put your money where your mouth is or are you just another ITK clown like the Masters and Hamers that you are always deriding for doing exactly what you yourself do? A senior first team player told me. I’m not saying who that player was because he is still in the matchday 11. Would coughlan have phoned this player begging for his job back? Its the same thing really,the player who must be a complete fool has been told this story and for some strange reason he is blabbing to you. Its still just old wives gossip,nothing more.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 10:34:42 GMT
I did not like "littlestokegas" smear without evidence post but your post is grossly unfair to coughlan. Your passing on your hearsay saying he was "begging for his job back",giving us so called "in the know crap" which coughlan himself cannot reply too. Maybe somebody told you that rubbish so you could spread it around to whoever is stupid enough to listen? Your being played by somebody high up at rovers it seems to me. I’m being played how exactly? For what reason, desire or motive? To defend the clubs owners/management position on forums. You always tow the company line without fail. Some of the stuff you have posted about coughlan,hamer and even dc sound suspiciously like the sort of thing martyn starnes would say or want people to believe Its like a smear campaign against all leading figures who have fallen out of favour with the club.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 10:40:00 GMT
Well he wasn’t in Jordan when GC left was he? So, come on then, now you’ve brought it up tell us how you know GC was begging for his job back. Put your money where your mouth is or are you just another ITK clown like the Masters and Hamers that you are always deriding for doing exactly what you yourself do? A senior first team player told me. I’m not saying who that player was because he is still in the matchday 11. Is this the same player who tells you what salary the players are on? You would be doing your nut if Masters or Hamer said “I was told by a player xyz”. And FWIW the idea of him wanting his job back the very next morning after calculatedly making his position untenable is ridiculous never mind that a player found that out from whoever Coughlan phoned up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 10:42:14 GMT
I’m being played how exactly? For what reason, desire or motive? To defend the clubs owners/management position on forums. You always tow the company line without fail. Some of the stuff you have posted about coughlan,hamer and even dc sound suspiciously like the sort of thing martyn starnes would say or want people to believe Its like a smear campaign against all leading figures who have fallen out of favour with the club. Absolutely spot on- and yet he still can’t see or won’t acknowledge that he is cut from the same cloth as Hamer who he so reviles.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 10:55:19 GMT
A question. Why would Steve (Irenestoyboy) tell lies about such things?
Of course some people genuinely do know more than the rest of us. That's just the nature of who you know etc. Why that should bother others is beyond me.
Personally, being oblivious to all the machinations of the football club, suits me down to the ground.
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 25, 2020 11:00:35 GMT
A senior first team player told me. I’m not saying who that player was because he is still in the matchday 11. Is this the same player who tells you what salary the players are on? You would be doing your nut if Masters or Hamer said “I was told by a player xyz”. And FWIW the idea of him wanting his job back the very next morning after calculatedly making his position untenable is ridiculous never mind that a player found that out from whoever Coughlan phoned up. Who knows whether he begged for his job back or not, but I don't think the idea of wanting the job back is that ridiculous in it's self
I am sure we have all said stuff that we regretted the following day. Who knows what was/is going on in Coughlan's head, what he was thinking when he was pumped up after a big win and he vocalised his frustrations (calculated or not). He may well have woken up the next day and thought he shouldn't have said X,Y,Z
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 11:01:46 GMT
A question. Why would Steve (Irenestoyboy) tell lies about such things? Of course some people genuinely do know more than the rest of us. That's just the nature of who you know etc. Why that should bother others is beyond me. Personally, being oblivious to all the machinations of the football club, suits me down to the ground. I don't think he's wilfully misleading anybody, I just think he's wound up in gossip. Your last point sums up exactly how I feel. I've made some friends from my involvement with Rovers that I value dearly, but getting dragged in to the politics of the thing has done nothing at all but distract from enjoying following the fortunes of my favourite football club.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 11:39:07 GMT
A question. Why would Steve (Irenestoyboy) tell lies about such things? Of course some people genuinely do know more than the rest of us. That's just the nature of who you know etc. Why that should bother others is beyond me. Personally, being oblivious to all the machinations of the football club, suits me down to the ground. Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t- but how does he know he isn’t at the very least being lied to himself? Quite apart from that I can’t get over the irony of someone calling out others for posting slander and gossip then doing the very same himself. I at least thought he would say it came from Wael and Starnes most but no- he basically claims to have heard from someone who isn’t in a position to know that GC begged for his job back and has taken it as gospel. You can’t make it up, or maybe you can! I agree with Vertigo that in counter to the opinion that there is someone sowing discord it is equally as likely that there is someone telling ITB what they want him to hear so he can fight the good fight in keeping fans seeing the board as the good guys in all this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 12:32:15 GMT
A question. Why would Steve (Irenestoyboy) tell lies about such things? Of course some people genuinely do know more than the rest of us. That's just the nature of who you know etc. Why that should bother others is beyond me. Personally, being oblivious to all the machinations of the football club, suits me down to the ground. I understand what your saying but it would be fairer to explain the coughlan phone call allegation fully instead of setting it out as factual information. If the phone call happened it would be coughlan phoning starnes/wael and then one of them telling a player all about it who then passes in on to whoever. Its 2nd hand hearsay and the information is exactly what starnes/wael would want us to believe every time "irene" gives us information. On the other forum he tells everybody the exact wages of all the bad dc signings like bennett,mensah etc but has no idea what players like clarke-harris or say mark little are on[posted when GC was manager]. If "irene" was told someone damaging about the owners we would not hear about it.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 25, 2020 12:54:15 GMT
I’m being played how exactly? For what reason, desire or motive? To defend the clubs owners/management position on forums. You always tow the company line without fail. Some of the stuff you have posted about coughlan,hamer and even dc sound suspiciously like the sort of thing martyn starnes would say or want people to believe Its like a smear campaign against all leading figures whoo NBC have fallen out of favour with the club. Are you for real? Why on earth would I need to “tow a company line”? Of what advantage is it to me? I don’t get anything from the club and I pay my way for my ST like any other fan. I’ve also got very little reason to lie about anything. Again there is no advantage to me in trying to curry favour with anyone. I’m also very capable of being able to form an opinion based on what I think to be true and what I think to be false just like you. If I think someone is lying I’ll call them out on it given the chance. You can see evidence of that too. I have been equally if not more critical of the ALQ ownership than I have praising or defending it. You can see hundreds of posts on it where I have slaughtered them. I’ve also been very direct when I’ve had the chance to talk to them with things that don’t make sense or need improving and on some stuff I’m still none the wiser. Im sure that the people who have fallen out with the club have done so for a reason, which from the outside at least, is a bit like GC, where they clearly did to themselves. I hope that once all this legal nonsense has come to a conclusion it all comes out so we all know the truth. I’m not holding my breath though. For the record, the last time I saw and spoke to Wael was at the Wimbledon game, which was BGs first home game in charge. So any suggestion I’ve been in some kind of regular communique regarding the whole KM issue is so wide of the mark it’s laughable.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 25, 2020 13:06:28 GMT
To defend the clubs owners/management position on forums. You always tow the company line without fail. Some of the stuff you have posted about coughlan,hamer and even dc sound suspiciously like the sort of thing martyn starnes would say or want people to believe Its like a smear campaign against all leading figures who have fallen out of favour with the club. Absolutely spot on- and yet he still can’t see or won’t acknowledge that he is cut from the same cloth as Hamer who he so reviles. Difference is fairly obvious. I’m not employed by the club and I’m not bound by any of club confidentiality. It’s at my discretion whether I say information or not and name the source should I feel I want/need to. I’ve often posted where I have got information from. But what’s the point of potentially landing someone in hot water over fairly innocuous information. But when you catch the chairman of the club in disguise on a public forum posting information about club business/politics is absolutely shameful, not once but many times. Him telling a group of supporters at a service station that we had signed Bakayoko when he hadn’t signed a contract was wrong. (Those supporters posted that info on the forum before I get accused of making it up) I’m nothing like Hamer. Thankfully.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 25, 2020 13:20:30 GMT
A question. Why would Steve (Irenestoyboy) tell lies about such things? Of course some people genuinely do know more than the rest of us. That's just the nature of who you know etc. Why that should bother others is beyond me. Personally, being oblivious to all the machinations of the football club, suits me down to the ground. I understand what your saying but it would be fairer to explain the coughlan phone call allegation fully instead of setting it out as factual information. If the phone call happened it would be coughlan phoning starnes/wael and then one of them telling a player all about it who then passes in on to whoever. Its 2nd hand hearsay and the information is exactly what starnes/wael would want us to believe every time "irene" gives us information. On the other forum he tells everybody the exact wages of all the bad dc signings like bennett,mensah etc but has no idea what players like clarke-harris or say mark little are on[posted when GC was manager]. If "irene" was told someone damaging about the owners we would not hear about it. How do you know that I do/don’t know what Lits and JCH? I’ve never been asked to disclose that information and neither have I said I do know and that I’m not telling...that’s just your assumption. I’ve been “warned” many times by people like Gasincider and Knowall that Wael is bad news, he’s destroying the club but they haven’t ever produced any evidence to back it up other than “look at the accounts and how much money we’re losing”. But you see how hard TG works to get income into the club and how passionate he is about making the club succeed the logic would say that an intelligent chap like him wouldnt flog a dead horse in doing so. He would collect a wage regardless. So my perception based on what I can see is that whilst we aren’t moving forwards as quickly as we all want, we have owners who are prepared to underwrite the losses, support the manager and have the very best people the club can get/afford in moving the club forward.
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