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Post by alloutofgas on Dec 15, 2019 8:50:56 GMT
He can live at home during the week and Mansfield are one of the best supported via the Radfords. We move on. It's obvious who we should appoint, even until the end of the season. We are in a good position in the worst League 1 that I have seen. Surely Wael wants a promotion? I don’t think anyone has a clue what Wael wants. Apart from he wants out of course. This brilliant run of results has come as a shock to him and expectations rise amongst the supporters. The plan was for GC to just keep us up again to make the club a more attractive proposition, it’s all gone wrong for the Precocious One.
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Post by Captain Jayho on Dec 15, 2019 8:53:01 GMT
A few days ago someone said to me that when you have been away from Bristol for a few years you have a very different view of Rovers matters compared to those who have stayed. Nothing illustrates this more than events of the past few weeks when first the Chairman left with no explanation from the club and now the manager appears to be leaving as well. I dare not post on the other forum tonight because my views are so out of step with the majority of fans many of whom seem to think this state of affairs is quite normal and that Wael will soon sort it out. Am I the only one who thinks that Wael seems to have some sort of hold over many Gasheads ? If I was Hani Al-Qadi I should be encouraging Wael to do a deal with anyone he could to take the club off his family’s hands and stop further liabilities running up. A few weeks ago I was posting about the possibility of Dwane Sports agreeing to sell the Mem to developers but let Rovers (with new majority shareholders) stay on for up to three years while a new stadium was built. Now I think it is far more likely that the football club will have new owners and Wael will retain a shareholding but the ground will have to be sold immediately to repay the loan. If this happens I think Wael and the new owners will negotiate a ground share with a local club and sell the idea to fans that this is a temporary measure while they finalize plans for a new permanent home. If this scenario does take place I hope Gasheads at last come to their senses and have the courage to start asking searching questions about the strategy and finances of the restructured club. If we do that, and the new owners know we are going to do it, there is a chance they will come up with a viable plan. If we carry on thinking we are being loyal by taking the attitude “leave them alone, they must know what they are doing” I am afraid the haphazard meanderings of the last four years will continue and it is likely to end in tears. So just to paraphrase you're saying the fans really need to come together here for the good of the club. Whilst simultaneously potting everyone on the other forum. I see what you did there!
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Post by bloogas on Dec 15, 2019 9:02:44 GMT
I won't copy your post, Swissgas, to save space, but you may well be right. You apparently are "ITK" and I've a feeling I might know you. Whatever - about 5 years ago a few guys tried to get a Fans' Trust going. They were met with overwhelming indifference and derision. I'll say no more.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Dec 15, 2019 9:11:40 GMT
He can live at home during the week and Mansfield are one of the best supported via the Radfords. We move on. It's obvious who we should appoint, even until the end of the season. We are in a good position in the worst League 1 that I have seen. Surely Wael wants a promotion? I don’t think anyone has a clue what Wael wants. Apart from he wants out of course. This brilliant run of results has come as a shock to him and expectations rise amongst the supporters. The plan was for GC to just keep us up again to make the club a more attractive proposition, it’s all gone wrong for the Precocious One. Nobody has a clue but you know he wants out, of course
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Post by basel on Dec 15, 2019 9:35:10 GMT
Apparently Rovers have turned down the Stags initial approach. So there's a price tag on even talking (officially) to GC?
If Wael AQ offers GC maybe 2 new players ,he might be comfortable staying at Rovers.
Surely that's do-able.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Dec 15, 2019 9:50:28 GMT
Tommy Widdrington hopefully. Chris Hargreaves in charge, with Mansell assistant for me.
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Post by laughinggas on Dec 15, 2019 9:56:12 GMT
Apparently Rovers have turned down the Stags initial approach. So there's a price tag on even talking (officially) to GC? If Wael AQ offers GC maybe 2 new players ,he might be comfortable staying at Rovers. Surely that's do-able. GC knew the budget when he took over. He knew it at the start of the season. He knew the state of the ground. He knew the state of the training ground. He stated he was only interested on what happened on the pitch. He took the job because he wanted the job. Now his cv is at a high. He may be wanted by another club. He may want to move closer to home. That chance may only come now. I think this is all about what GC wants. All this blame of owners, budget etc is a smokescreen. Am not denying we have many issues off the field, but let's not get political about this. Don't blame previous manager for his signings, GC knew about them when he took over. GC has recruited 9 players since taking over, I think! So has been given something. Maybe there are things behind the scenes none of us know about but from the limited information we have this seems to be all about GC. Also, has he been talking to Mansfield for a while?
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Post by basel on Dec 15, 2019 9:59:37 GMT
Well if WAQ does'nt want promotion and GC leaves,I think we should select a manager that has an absolute middle of the road,dull and bland football philosophy.
Just the job to keep us 7 from bottom of the 3rd tier.
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Post by basel on Dec 15, 2019 10:05:26 GMT
Apparently Rovers have turned down the Stags initial approach. So there's a price tag on even talking (officially) to GC? If Wael AQ offers GC maybe 2 new players ,he might be comfortable staying at Rovers. Surely that's do-able. GC knew the budget when he took over. He knew it at the start of the season. He knew the state of the ground. He knew the state of the training ground. He stated he was only interested on what happened on the pitch. He took the job because he wanted the job. Now his cv is at a high. He may be wanted by another club. He may want to move closer to home. That chance may only come now. I think this is all about what GC wants. All this blame of owners, budget etc is a smokescreen. Am not denying we have many issues off the field, but let's not get political about this. Don't blame previous manager for his signings, GC knew about them when he took over. GC has recruited 9 players since taking over, I think! So has been given something. Maybe there are things behind the scenes none of us know about but from the limited information we have this seems to be all about GC. Also, has he been talking to Mansfield for a while? I agree thete are quite likely things at board level we don't know about,thete usually is at Rovers. Yep,GC knew what he was getting into,but surely Laughingas,2 more players (with Bennet going,fingers crossed) is do-able?I absolutely back GC s hope for a couple of signings,he's a competitor! Stags must of had contact with GC and he is clearly attracted by a decent wage,ambitious FC and 'reuniting' with his family.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 15, 2019 10:19:48 GMT
I won't copy your post, Swissgas, to save space, but you may well be right. You apparently are "ITK" and I've a feeling I might know you. Whatever - about 5 years ago a few guys tried to get a Fans' Trust going. They were met with overwhelming indifference and derision. I'll say no more. This is the irony. Over 900 Gas travel cross country and sing their hearts out for 90 minutes and in some small way help us to victory. Sadly this is not reflected in anything to do "off the pitch" where apathy and indifference rules. As you say, BRISA just couldn't gain any traction. So we're left with a redundant SC and the rest of us are largely disenfranchised.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 11:31:08 GMT
A few days ago someone said to me that when you have been away from Bristol for a few years you have a very different view of Rovers matters compared to those who have stayed. Nothing illustrates this more than events of the past few weeks when first the Chairman left with no explanation from the club and now the manager appears to be leaving as well. I dare not post on the other forum tonight because my views are so out of step with the majority of fans many of whom seem to think this state of affairs is quite normal and that Wael will soon sort it out. Am I the only one who thinks that Wael seems to have some sort of hold over many Gasheads ? If I was Hani Al-Qadi I should be encouraging Wael to do a deal with anyone he could to take the club off his family’s hands and stop further liabilities running up. A few weeks ago I was posting about the possibility of Dwane Sports agreeing to sell the Mem to developers but let Rovers (with new majority shareholders) stay on for up to three years while a new stadium was built. Now I think it is far more likely that the football club will have new owners and Wael will retain a shareholding but the ground will have to be sold immediately to repay the loan. If this happens I think Wael and the new owners will negotiate a ground share with a local club and sell the idea to fans that this is a temporary measure while they finalize plans for a new permanent home. If this scenario does take place I hope Gasheads at last come to their senses and have the courage to start asking searching questions about the strategy and finances of the restructured club. If we do that, and the new owners know we are going to do it, there is a chance they will come up with a viable plan. If we carry on thinking we are being loyal by taking the attitude “leave them alone, they must know what they are doing” I am afraid the haphazard meanderings of the last four years will continue and it is likely to end in tears.I agree, but as far as I can see there's nothing on social media, forums etc that's putting any pressure on the owners to give them an indication that, sat behind those who would turn up and will show support no matter what, there is a growing body of people who give some thought to these things and are more than a little worried about how these owners have run the club and what their plans are moving forward.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 11:34:16 GMT
GC knew the budget when he took over. He knew it at the start of the season. He knew the state of the ground. He knew the state of the training ground. He stated he was only interested on what happened on the pitch. He took the job because he wanted the job. Now his cv is at a high. He may be wanted by another club. He may want to move closer to home. That chance may only come now. I think this is all about what GC wants. All this blame of owners, budget etc is a smokescreen. Am not denying we have many issues off the field, but let's not get political about this. Don't blame previous manager for his signings, GC knew about them when he took over. GC has recruited 9 players since taking over, I think! So has been given something. Maybe there are things behind the scenes none of us know about but from the limited information we have this seems to be all about GC. Also, has he been talking to Mansfield for a while? I agree thete are quite likely things at board level we don't know about,thete usually is at Rovers. Yep,GC knew what he was getting into,but surely Laughingas,2 more players (with Bennet going,fingers crossed) is do-able?I absolutely back GC s hope for a couple of signings,he's a competitor! Stags must of had contact with GC and he is clearly attracted by a decent wage,ambitious FC and 'reuniting' with his family.Yea right, just like Lee Brown wanted to leave to go to a London club.
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Post by stargas on Dec 15, 2019 11:43:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 11:48:12 GMT
A few days ago someone said to me that when you have been away from Bristol for a few years you have a very different view of Rovers matters compared to those who have stayed. Nothing illustrates this more than events of the past few weeks when first the Chairman left with no explanation from the club and now the manager appears to be leaving as well. I dare not post on the other forum tonight because my views are so out of step with the majority of fans many of whom seem to think this state of affairs is quite normal and that Wael will soon sort it out. Am I the only one who thinks that Wael seems to have some sort of hold over many Gasheads ? If I was Hani Al-Qadi I should be encouraging Wael to do a deal with anyone he could to take the club off his family’s hands and stop further liabilities running up. A few weeks ago I was posting about the possibility of Dwane Sports agreeing to sell the Mem to developers but let Rovers (with new majority shareholders) stay on for up to three years while a new stadium was built. Now I think it is far more likely that the football club will have new owners and Wael will retain a shareholding but the ground will have to be sold immediately to repay the loan. If this happens I think Wael and the new owners will negotiate a ground share with a local club and sell the idea to fans that this is a temporary measure while they finalize plans for a new permanent home. If this scenario does take place I hope Gasheads at last come to their senses and have the courage to start asking searching questions about the strategy and finances of the restructured club. If we do that, and the new owners know we are going to do it, there is a chance they will come up with a viable plan. If we carry on thinking we are being loyal by taking the attitude “leave them alone, they must know what they are doing” I am afraid the haphazard meanderings of the last four years will continue and it is likely to end in tears.I agree, but as far as I can see there's nothing on social media, forums etc that's putting any pressure on the owners to give them an indication that, sat behind those who would turn up and will show support no matter what, there is a growing body of people who give some thought to these things and are more than a little worried about how these owners have run the club and what their plans are moving forward. It’s a bit like walking on eggs in this situation, Hereford United fans found themselves in a similar quandary hoping for the best initially and not wanting to upset the idiots that were there to asset strip the club. I supported the crew in charge here initially the promises seemed to make the UWE an absolute certainty no more selling our best players and a bright future if not immediately realised certainly on the horizon. What we have now is a crew caught between a rock and a hard place of their own making, desperate to get out but not prepared to face the irrecoverable losses that would incur. We quickly need to get a similar venture up and running as Hereford and Swansea supporters did and get a fan base proposal ready to pick up the pieces as this current version of the club is inevitably driven to collapse.
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 15, 2019 11:55:03 GMT
and as yet some 18 hours on from GC's announcement, apart from a so called twitter statement ,NO official news on this on the club site at all.... but who cares?
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Post by vaughan on Dec 15, 2019 12:46:47 GMT
The more we look at this, the more the whole thing stinks.
GC has used family, disunited club and lack of funds to try and justify a better paid job closer to home.
As Steve K said in his match report, it leaves a nasty taste. Subtle and intelligent were never his middle names. An ugly exit.
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Post by swissgas on Dec 15, 2019 12:51:18 GMT
A few days ago someone said to me that when you have been away from Bristol for a few years you have a very different view of Rovers matters compared to those who have stayed. Nothing illustrates this more than events of the past few weeks when first the Chairman left with no explanation from the club and now the manager appears to be leaving as well. I dare not post on the other forum tonight because my views are so out of step with the majority of fans many of whom seem to think this state of affairs is quite normal and that Wael will soon sort it out. Am I the only one who thinks that Wael seems to have some sort of hold over many Gasheads ? If I was Hani Al-Qadi I should be encouraging Wael to do a deal with anyone he could to take the club off his family’s hands and stop further liabilities running up. A few weeks ago I was posting about the possibility of Dwane Sports agreeing to sell the Mem to developers but let Rovers (with new majority shareholders) stay on for up to three years while a new stadium was built. Now I think it is far more likely that the football club will have new owners and Wael will retain a shareholding but the ground will have to be sold immediately to repay the loan. If this happens I think Wael and the new owners will negotiate a ground share with a local club and sell the idea to fans that this is a temporary measure while they finalize plans for a new permanent home. If this scenario does take place I hope Gasheads at last come to their senses and have the courage to start asking searching questions about the strategy and finances of the restructured club. If we do that, and the new owners know we are going to do it, there is a chance they will come up with a viable plan. If we carry on thinking we are being loyal by taking the attitude “leave them alone, they must know what they are doing” I am afraid the haphazard meanderings of the last four years will continue and it is likely to end in tears. So just to paraphrase you're saying the fans really need to come together here for the good of the club. Whilst simultaneously potting everyone on the other forum. I see what you did there! It would have been no good me posting on the other forum last night because emotions were running so high. The shock of Graham’s press conference had fans grasping in all kinds of directions, is his wife ill ? what is the distance from Sheffield to Southend ? would Tony Pulis come to us ? A few were angry at the Al Qadi’s but anger alone doesn’t get you anywhere. And then, after a few hours, out came the Wael fan club saying they had seen him on the East terrace at the cup game as enthusiastic as ever and that really it was his nasty brother Hani who was the cause of all our troubles. To paraphrase myself. Wael is not a man with evil intent but he is weak and incompetent. He intends to maintain a shareholding in Rovers even though there may be far better options for the club but choosing these options would mean he had to leave. Only his family can prevent him staying but if he does stay we shouldn’t give him or his new partners an easy ride because to do that would not be in Rovers best interests.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 13:57:08 GMT
So just to paraphrase you're saying the fans really need to come together here for the good of the club. Whilst simultaneously potting everyone on the other forum. I see what you did there! It would have been no good me posting on the other forum last night because emotions were running so high. The shock of Graham’s press conference had fans grasping in all kinds of directions, is his wife ill ? what is the distance from Sheffield to Southend ? would Tony Pulis come to us ? A few were angry at the Al Qadi’s but anger alone doesn’t get you anywhere. And then, after a few hours, out came the Wael fan club saying they had seen him on the East terrace at the cup game as enthusiastic as ever and that really it was his nasty brother Hani who was the cause of all our troubles. To paraphrase myself. Wael is not a man with evil intent but he is weak and incompetent. He intends to maintain a shareholding in Rovers even though there may be far better options for the club but choosing these options would mean he had to leave. Only his family can prevent him staying but if he does stay we shouldn’t give him or his new partners an easy ride because to do that would not be in Rovers best interests. And that message needs taking to a wider audience. There are people who don't 'do' club politics, normal people who only want what's best for Rovers and will be shocked and horrified when they turn up for a game to find we have moved to somewhere like Mangotsfield.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 14:22:01 GMT
The more we look at this, the more the whole thing stinks. GC has used family, disunited club and lack of funds to try and justify a better paid job closer to home. As Steve K said in his match report, it leaves a nasty taste. Subtle and intelligent were never his middle names. An ugly exit. Look at his behaviour in front of the media: Slags Reilly off *That* Celtic joke Last night’s fiasco The man is a classless oaf and I’m not even sure his managerial abilities are much cop either- my suspicion is he will find it hard to replicate his success elsewhere, just as DC has. All I would say to Mansfield is watch out because in a year’s time he will leave to move even closer to his family by managing Plymouth.
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 15, 2019 14:31:03 GMT
Paul Tisdale and Andy Tilson would be the dream team. Used to developing young players both live locally and well used to working within a minimal budget at Exeter City. Not Holloway for me.
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