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Post by lostinspace on Feb 18, 2020 10:37:19 GMT
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Post by c4h10 on Feb 18, 2020 13:42:34 GMT
No different to the rest of us then. Lots of aspiration but no cash. How's this as a blueprint for destroying a football club? My resulting liquid is a bit more yellow than that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 18:32:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 20:10:16 GMT
Agreed, a bit of respect should be shown, well said Shoves. |
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 18, 2020 21:59:50 GMT
Edit: Deleted that comment from 2018.
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 10, 2020 18:33:35 GMT
per Sam Frost in the Post this evening.....'The fruit market deal remains very much on and they hold exclusivity regarding negotiations over the purchase of Rovers'
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 19:14:29 GMT
per Sam Frost in the Post this evening.....'The fruit market deal remains very much on and they hold exclusivity regarding negotiations over the purchase of Rovers' Not that old s**t again? The post are having their tail pulled. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 13, 2020 11:52:26 GMT
So it seems the club will be denied planned cash flows for the foreseeable
How is this likely to affect fruity things and negotiations, I wonder?
We've never really understood the source of existing cash funding, so it's quite hard to guess, I think
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Mar 14, 2020 12:24:28 GMT
per Sam Frost in the Post this evening.....'The fruit market deal remains very much on and they hold exclusivity regarding negotiations over the purchase of Rovers' Can't find it. Do you have a link? |
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 14, 2020 12:40:21 GMT
per Sam Frost in the Post this evening.....'The fruit market deal remains very much on and they hold exclusivity regarding negotiations over the purchase of Rovers' Can't find it. Do you have a link? Not a link, but it's part of this week's Q&A cpb |
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 17, 2020 10:14:06 GMT
So it seems the club will be denied planned cash flows for the foreseeable How is this likely to affect fruity things and negotiations, I wonder? We've never really understood the source of existing cash funding, so it's quite hard to guess, I think answering my own question a bit.... Jordanian, and most other, banks seem unlikely to be throwing off the same level of dividends for the rest of the year the fruit people will take some sort of a hit, although I suppose people will continue to buy fruit so it might be a relatively good business to be in at the moment I've no idea about the purchasers. They'll probably be borrowing some money. Interest rates have dropped, although a credit crunch might not be far away - business loans are going to tank in a very very big way I'd imagine any other thoughts peeps? |
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 17, 2020 10:26:03 GMT
So it seems the club will be denied planned cash flows for the foreseeable How is this likely to affect fruity things and negotiations, I wonder? We've never really understood the source of existing cash funding, so it's quite hard to guess, I think answering my own question a bit.... Jordanian, and most other, banks seem unlikely to be throwing off the same level of dividends for the rest of the year the fruit people will take some sort of a hit, although I suppose people will continue to buy fruit so it might be a relatively good business to be in at the moment I've no idea about the purchasers. They'll probably be borrowing some money. Interest rates have dropped, although a credit crunch might not be far away - business loans are going to tank in a very very big way I'd imagine any other thoughts peeps? I reckon the odds on us moving to a new Stadium at the Fruit Market has widened from about a million to one, to about a million billion gizzillian to one. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 29, 2020 10:13:08 GMT
I caught him where I 100% knew it was him because he gave himself away. As per my first line. The other user names that have been used he hasn't said anything that has definitely given himself away personally but when you look at subject (which is mostly club/board bashing and individual attacks on Wael or MS), the construction of the post, the grammar, its too close to be coincidence. There are also a small number of football related posts to make it look genuine. Its an all too familiar pattern and like I said, its not just me that notices it. Of the user names I can remember there was Maddog, UTG12, Blue Camel, most recently its been Horfield and then up popped gasometer050209 or something. In my experience of modding posts, people that have grumbles, issues or want something changed always post a solution alongside it, what they would like to see. Posters rarely and continuously jab at individuals or club employees on a personal level. For example, I have been critical of the SC and KM in particular, but I have explained why I think so. I may have said his leadership is outdated and feckless, but I dont recall myself making personal remarks or call him stupid or useless, because he's clearly a clever guy and has done lots of positive things. Sorry if its a bit ramble but Im trying to explain myself as clearly as possible! Blue Camel has recently put the following on the other place......'Kill this thread the Fruit Market is dead. But keep your fingers and toes crossed, there is a hurricane on the horizon' Well, that looks prescient now |
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 6, 2020 9:09:28 GMT
I saw that swiss has written this at the other place. I found it interesting, so hope he doesn't mind if I c&p it here....
We need to get away from the misconception that a new stadium is going to come about by someone writing a cheque out for x millions. A new stadium will come about when whoever owns Rovers gets together with someone who specializes in land and property development and hammers out a workable deal.
My understanding is that a deal was possible at the Fruit Market site but the stumbling block was Wael and this is why the Mayor spoke about â various configurations of the clubâ. Fans can keep burying their heads in the sand and say âwhat if it was another Coventry situationâ or âhow could jokers like Masters and Hamer possibly finance itâ but all they are really doing is shying away from the fact we didnât bother to find out. Once that potential scheme was made public you would expect Gasheads to bombard the media and the club demanding to know more but we didnât. We sat back with the attitude âWael knows best if he canât get a good deal we donât want oneâ and â if those developers want BRFC on board theyâll just have to come and get usâ. To me it is absolutely crazy to trust Wael as the sole arbiter of what is good for Rovers and to think we are so desirable that developers will have to run after us when all the World knows we are broke and desperate.
Now it seems a similar thing has happened with two people who wanted to help Rovers get a new stadium. They may not have had tens of millions to write out a cheque to build a new stadium but they may have had a reasonable level of finance coupled with knowledge and experience in order to put together a deal through which Rovers could get one. But, as in any deal, that would involve compromise and sacrifice from the party needing the deal most, which is BRFC.
Are we going to keep pretending that the UWE, FM and now this deal must have all been bad for a Rovers ?
then a little later....
On the Fruit Market we have the Mayorâs interview, the Bristol Post reporting, the offer letter to shareholders in units at the Fruit Market and my own research. And as a kind of amateur Kieran Maguire type blagger I made contact with one of the companies involved and while I didnât get much information it was enough to to persuade me that a deal existed. Whether it was a good deal for BRFC I donât know but if you remember my postings from last Nov/Dec I had a few ideas on how to try to make it a good deal.
On the new deal , although at the risk of becoming classed as an empty ITKâer, I really donât want to betray confidences. All I will say is that when I spoke to one of the people involved a few months ago he was as passionate about Rovers as anyone I have met and the part of the plan he outlined then was impressive. But again, without knowing all the details, itâs impossible say if the whole scheme would have been good for Rovers but I cannot think someone who has supported Rovers for decades would put forward anything which wasnât.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 10:09:34 GMT
I saw that swiss has written this at the other place. I found it interesting, so hope he doesn't mind if I c&p it here.... We need to get away from the misconception that a new stadium is going to come about by someone writing a cheque out for x millions. A new stadium will come about when whoever owns Rovers gets together with someone who specializes in land and property development and hammers out a workable deal.
My understanding is that a deal was possible at the Fruit Market site but the stumbling block was Wael and this is why the Mayor spoke about â various configurations of the clubâ. Fans can keep burying their heads in the sand and say âwhat if it was another Coventry situationâ or âhow could jokers like Masters and Hamer possibly finance itâ but all they are really doing is shying away from the fact we didnât bother to find out. Once that potential scheme was made public you would expect Gasheads to bombard the media and the club demanding to know more but we didnât. We sat back with the attitude âWael knows best if he canât get a good deal we donât want oneâ and â if those developers want BRFC on board theyâll just have to come and get usâ. To me it is absolutely crazy to trust Wael as the sole arbiter of what is good for Rovers and to think we are so desirable that developers will have to run after us when all the World knows we are broke and desperate.
Now it seems a similar thing has happened with two people who wanted to help Rovers get a new stadium. They may not have had tens of millions to write out a cheque to build a new stadium but they may have had a reasonable level of finance coupled with knowledge and experience in order to put together a deal through which Rovers could get one. But, as in any deal, that would involve compromise and sacrifice from the party needing the deal most, which is BRFC.
Are we going to keep pretending that the UWE, FM and now this deal must have all been bad for a Rovers ?
then a little later.... On the Fruit Market we have the Mayorâs interview, the Bristol Post reporting, the offer letter to shareholders in units at the Fruit Market and my own research. And as a kind of amateur Kieran Maguire type blagger I made contact with one of the companies involved and while I didnât get much information it was enough to to persuade me that a deal existed. Whether it was a good deal for BRFC I donât know but if you remember my postings from last Nov/Dec I had a few ideas on how to try to make it a good deal.
On the new deal , although at the risk of becoming classed as an empty ITKâer, I really donât want to betray confidences. All I will say is that when I spoke to one of the people involved a few months ago he was as passionate about Rovers as anyone I have met and the part of the plan he outlined then was impressive. But again, without knowing all the details, itâs impossible say if the whole scheme would have been good for Rovers but I cannot think someone who has supported Rovers for decades would put forward anything which wasnât.My take is that the FM stadium was never going to happen. The deal appeared to me to be developers being forced to do something that they didn't want to do in exchange for the 'green light' for their plans for the rest of the area. Why do I say that? Well, it's a daft place for a stadium and not the best use for that piece of land for starters. Based on nothing other than sticking a finger in the air and guessing, I think that developers would have greedily swallowed up the aspects of the development in the area that they actually wanted, then the wriggling would have started and the stadium would never have happened. Sure it would have been contracted, but we had a contract with Sainsbury's, that didn't work out so well. To keep things short, yes, I suspect that The Mem site being turned in to residential would have been part of the deal, but that's not much of a deal is it, being tied to building a stadium that will produce very little money and a handful of houses on an old stadium site, and having to battle the likes of Carstairs for the privilege, when you can just erect a honking great building on the existing FM site. Nothing about the proposal makes any sense whatsoever. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Apr 6, 2020 13:29:46 GMT
Sam Frost today re Fruity things...
the deal is definitely not 'dead in the water', Jon. Situation remains as it was last week, with lawyers from both parties are combing over paperwork. These big-money land deals take time.
I think it's essential here I clear up any confusion as you are referring to Wael Al-Qadi, but both he and the club are not involved in the fruit market deal.
This deal is being made between the owners of the fruit market and a consortium which wants to buy the club. However, the consortium does not want to buy the club without land to build a new stadium, hence why they are going for the fruit market first, then the club.
Any expectation of updates from the club or the Al-Qadis on the sale of the fruit market is misguided, as it's not their deal to make.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 13:42:21 GMT
Sam Frost today re Fruity things... the deal is definitely not 'dead in the water', Jon. Situation remains as it was last week, with lawyers from both parties are combing over paperwork. These big-money land deals take time.
I think it's essential here I clear up any confusion as you are referring to Wael Al-Qadi, but both he and the club are not involved in the fruit market deal.
This deal is being made between the owners of the fruit market and a consortium which wants to buy the club. However, the consortium does not want to buy the club without land to build a new stadium, hence why they are going for the fruit market first, then the club.
Any expectation of updates from the club or the Al-Qadis on the sale of the fruit market is misguided, as it's not their deal to make.Just think this through, you've secured a deal to buy the FM site, are you going to build a stadium on it to house a football club, knowing that the FC will suck dry any profit that other stadium activities may generate. The opportunity to use the site as a stadium / Arena is lost, that boat has sailed now as PP is now granted for the plans in Filton, and YTL are serious people, they will make that happen. Or, you could forget about locking your money into a stadium and build stuff on the FM site that will make you a fortune. Tough decision, isn't it. |
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Post by gastower on Apr 6, 2020 15:08:36 GMT
Agreed but if the city council have made it clear they want a stadium there then maybe that will focus some minds
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 15:38:49 GMT
Agreed but if the city council have made it clear they want a stadium there then maybe that will focus some minds BCC may have wanted an Arena there, but it's hard to see how they benefit from just a stadium. Even if it ends up acting as both now, they'll have to split some potential revenue / artists with the Filton Arena, which BTW, also has other stuff attached so that you can arrive before an event and find plenty to do, also YTL have by far the better location. They already have their car park and park-and ride plans sorted, the site in St Phillips will be a nightmare to get in to on a weekday evening and a total bottle neck to get away from after every event. I know this isn't what a Rovers supporter is supposed to be saying, but pretending that St Phillips is a sensible idea is as crazy as being asked to claim that Sainsbury's would have increased the takings of existing businesses on Gloucester Rd. |
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Post by gastower on Apr 6, 2020 15:59:25 GMT
Hard to disagree with this but looking into the future , sadly not in my time, the whole of the St Phillips area is destined for a complete make over.There have been several urban regeneration companies presenting their plans of. their vision for the future.It could be the place to be in 20 years time ,who knows.What has always hamstrung us however,is the lack of capital to develop our own facilities and ,if we are not careful we will land up like Bolton and Coventry
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