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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 26, 2020 14:25:17 GMT
Thanks Steve You are welcome on The Forum. We have some straight-talkers on here as well, so don't let us down. If you see Wael today, please ask him to publicly dispel any rumours that we are in danger of losing our home without an adequate replacement. That is what is causing the greatest concern on this Forum, which includes 2 ex-directors of this FC with no axe to grind against the Al Qadis. This is precisely what I have been hoping for. Given the board is now only him and MS, what is stopping him from making a brief statement which is reassuring in nature ? Surely he must understand that there is much disquiet and not only now from 50 internet warriors. You hear it on matchdays and a fair few have stopped going. It really would be an ideal time to show true leadership. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 26, 2020 14:44:57 GMT
I'm kind of with the duck here. Some of the name calling of ITB used by posters is unnecessary, and he has only been polite in response. Keep posting Irenestoyboy. In the summer months I enjoyed taking a few pot shots on Gasshat at gashead1981 and his perennial defence of Wael / Dwane Sports. Such fun. Might prove entertaining over here - where the debate doesn't inevitably end up as 10 pages of knob gags. I don’t want to rub anyone up the wrong way intentionally but I won’t retaliate either. Are you eppinggas on GC? I don’t remember anything from you!! I have always been a proponent of meeting other posters as I feel it makes it much harder to say or write anything nasty, once you have met and can put a face to a poster. I’d certainly be happy to have a couple with you, pints that is 😂. I think you would find this forum to be much nicer in nature and it has many very good posters who have certainly taught me a thing or two. I think you will find it slow by comparison but the quality is better because of that. It’s mostly self moderated as you hardly ever see things get too personal on here and people are quick to rectify mistakes & apologise. I forgot to ask you, how is the young one now, good I hope ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 15:59:31 GMT
There appear to be several stooges at work on the two forums being fed information but without any substance to support their comments. They are given information to pass on and they willingly do so which has created nothing but division.
I think we are heading to a dark place without anybody leading the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 16:09:01 GMT
There appear to be several stooges at work on the two forums being fed information but without any substance to support their comments. They are given information to pass on and they willingly do so which has created nothing but division. I think we are heading to a dark place without anybody leading the way. Have thought this for some time now. Take 1 slightly insecure personality, feed it information and it'll appear all over social media, double quick time. Hiya Knowall, you OK? My main thought on that would be that if the characters instigating this nonsense harbour thoughts of owning / running the FC, we are in deep trouble. What I mean is this, you know some serious business people, I know that you do, so let me ask you this, would any of them ever get involved in this type of childish nonsense? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 16:17:16 GMT
There appear to be several stooges at work on the two forums being fed information but without any substance to support their comments. They are given information to pass on and they willingly do so which has created nothing but division. I think we are heading to a dark place without anybody leading the way. And that is exactly my issue- gashead1981/Irenestoyboy is as much a stooge as knowall and gasincider, just he’s batting for the other side. Put all of that lot in a forum together and, well, you can see what happens on Gaschat, with the endless threads of sniping back and forth by both factions. If that fractious, tedious debate is now being exported over here this forum will be much the worse for it, in my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 16:50:31 GMT
There appear to be several stooges at work on the two forums being fed information but without any substance to support their comments. They are given information to pass on and they willingly do so which has created nothing but division. I think we are heading to a dark place without anybody leading the way. Have thought this for some time now. Take 1 slightly insecure personality, feed it information and it'll appear all over social media, double quick time. Hiya Knowall, you OK? My main thought on that would be that if the characters instigating this nonsense harbour thoughts of owning / running the FC, we are in deep trouble. What I mean is this, you know some serious business people, I know that you do, so let me ask you this, would any of them ever get involved in this type of childish nonsense? If I knew them well enough I would tell them not to go anywhere near Bristol Rovers other than to support the team and have some fun with sponsorship. The lack of leadership is not only astonishing but damaging and something needs to change very soon. I have had several conversations with Wael and he appears to be a decent man but other than being able to sack and ban those who work against him I believe that his hands and tongue is tied. Why else would you allow this damaging negativity to continue? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 17:09:41 GMT
Have thought this for some time now. Take 1 slightly insecure personality, feed it information and it'll appear all over social media, double quick time. Hiya Knowall, you OK? My main thought on that would be that if the characters instigating this nonsense harbour thoughts of owning / running the FC, we are in deep trouble. What I mean is this, you know some serious business people, I know that you do, so let me ask you this, would any of them ever get involved in this type of childish nonsense? If I knew them well enough I would tell them not to go anywhere near Bristol Rovers other than to support the team and have some fun with sponsorship. The lack of leadership is not only astonishing but damaging and something needs to change very soon. I have had several conversations with Wael and he appears to be a decent man but other than being able to sack and ban those who work against him I believe that his hands and tongue is tied. Why else would you allow this damaging negativity to continue? Despite being a bit of a tit on here, I don't really 'do' social media, so don't know what's been happening, but would have thought that if Wael or Hani just had a quiet word, any adult would be so embarrassed that they would stop all of their Coronation Street nonsense? Look at this guy who came over onto this forum yesterday, he's totally immersed in it. Bert said this, so Harry said that, but then Reg went and told Mary that James didn't tell Bill. WTF! What are they trying to achieve? |
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Post by swissgas on Jan 26, 2020 17:37:48 GMT
Have thought this for some time now. Take 1 slightly insecure personality, feed it information and it'll appear all over social media, double quick time. Hiya Knowall, you OK? My main thought on that would be that if the characters instigating this nonsense harbour thoughts of owning / running the FC, we are in deep trouble. What I mean is this, you know some serious business people, I know that you do, so let me ask you this, would any of them ever get involved in this type of childish nonsense? If I knew them well enough I would tell them not to go anywhere near Bristol Rovers other than to support the team and have some fun with sponsorship. The lack of leadership is not only astonishing but damaging and something needs to change very soon. I have had several conversations with Wael and he appears to be a decent man but other than being able to sack and ban those who work against him I believe that his hands and tongue is tied. Why else would you allow this damaging negativity to continue? Agree with you about the astonishing lack of leadership but IMO Wael’s hands and tongue should have been tied from day one so we didn’t drift into the desperate position we are in now. The cup tie today prompted a look into Tranmere Rovers FC who have just secured a 2.5 million equity investment from Indonesia that values their club at 16.5 million. But they own a decent 16000 capacity stadium which allows them to produce 60% of their revenue from commercial activity plus a long term lease on a training ground into which they are investing to improve the facility. The comprehensive report from their owner, Mark Palios, shows that he knows exactly what he is trying to achieve and is not afraid of sharing his vision with fans and other stakeholders. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 17:45:09 GMT
If I knew them well enough I would tell them not to go anywhere near Bristol Rovers other than to support the team and have some fun with sponsorship. The lack of leadership is not only astonishing but damaging and something needs to change very soon. I have had several conversations with Wael and he appears to be a decent man but other than being able to sack and ban those who work against him I believe that his hands and tongue is tied. Why else would you allow this damaging negativity to continue? Agree with you about the astonishing lack of leadership but IMO Wael’s hands and tongue should have been tied from day one so we didn’t drift into the desperate position we are in now. The cup tie today prompted a look into Tranmere Rovers FC who have just secured a 2.5 million equity investment from Indonesia that values their club at 16.5 million. But they own a decent 16000 capacity stadium which allows them to produce 60% of their revenue from commercial activity plus a long term lease on a training ground into which they are investing to improve the facility. The comprehensive report from their owner, Mark Palios, shows that he knows exactly what he is trying to achieve and is not afraid of sharing his vision with fans and other stakeholders. We have a 12,000 capacity stadium. BCC have never refused any stadium expansion or regeneration plan from us yet. We own a field that's supposed to be the new, wholly owned, training ground. We have a huge support base compared to them. The main difference appears to be that they have worked out a plan, if Rovers have one, it's a closely guarded secret. |
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Post by swissgas on Jan 26, 2020 17:56:47 GMT
Agree with you about the astonishing lack of leadership but IMO Wael’s hands and tongue should have been tied from day one so we didn’t drift into the desperate position we are in now. The cup tie today prompted a look into Tranmere Rovers FC who have just secured a 2.5 million equity investment from Indonesia that values their club at 16.5 million. But they own a decent 16000 capacity stadium which allows them to produce 60% of their revenue from commercial activity plus a long term lease on a training ground into which they are investing to improve the facility. The comprehensive report from their owner, Mark Palios, shows that he knows exactly what he is trying to achieve and is not afraid of sharing his vision with fans and other stakeholders. We have a 12,000 capacity stadium. BCC have never refused any stadium expansion or regeneration plan from us yet. We own a field that's supposed to be the new, wholly owned, training ground. We have a huge support base compared to them. The main difference appears to be that they have worked out a plan, if Rovers have one, it's a closely guarded secret. But we would be asking any potential new owner to pay twice. Firstly to buy out the Al Qadi family and secondly to spend even more than that to revamp the Mem and develop the training ground. Our average attendance this season is 7520 and their’s is 6830 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:04:45 GMT
We have a 12,000 capacity stadium. BCC have never refused any stadium expansion or regeneration plan from us yet. We own a field that's supposed to be the new, wholly owned, training ground. We have a huge support base compared to them. The main difference appears to be that they have worked out a plan, if Rovers have one, it's a closely guarded secret. But we would be asking any potential new owner to pay twice. Firstly to buy out the Al Qadi family and secondly to spend even more than that to revamp the Mem and develop the training ground. Our average attendance this season is 7520 and their’s is 6830 I said that our support base was big, not our average attendance. Sorry, I thought that we were discussing the example that you quoted, investment via equity? |
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Post by swissgas on Jan 26, 2020 18:28:10 GMT
But we would be asking any potential new owner to pay twice. Firstly to buy out the Al Qadi family and secondly to spend even more than that to revamp the Mem and develop the training ground. Our average attendance this season is 7520 and their’s is 6830 I said that our support base was big, not our average attendance. Sorry, I thought that we were discussing the example that you quoted, investment via equity? I’m as keen to sell Rovers potential as anyone but we have to be realistic. Over the last thirty years Tranmere have averaged higher crowds than us and unless you want to go back further I don’t think you can say our support base is much bigger than theirs. When looking at making an investment the Indonesians would have considered many factors not just the existing stadium and training ground but also the track record of the club and its realisable potential. Tranmere reached the play off’s for the Premier League in 1993, 94 and 95 plus the League Cup final in 2000 so fairly recently they have been close to where investors want to be whereas Rovers have been nowhere near. The investors would want their money to go into improving the football team not being spent on basic infrastructure which they (and any reasonable person) would expect a competently run business to already have. |
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Jan 26, 2020 18:39:47 GMT
So, does anyone know which October this news is due to arrive?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 18:39:56 GMT
I said that our support base was big, not our average attendance. Sorry, I thought that we were discussing the example that you quoted, investment via equity? I’m as keen to sell Rovers potential as anyone but we have to be realistic. Over the last thirty years Tranmere have averaged higher crowds than us and unless you want to go back further I don’t think you can say our support base is much bigger than theirs. When looking at making an investment the Indonesians would have considered many factors not just the existing stadium and training ground but also the track record of the club and its realisable potential. Tranmere reached the play off’s for the Premier League in 1993, 94 and 95 plus the League Cup final in 2000 so fairly recently they have been close to where investors want to be whereas Rovers have been nowhere near. The investors would want their money to go into improving the football team not being spent on basic infrastructure which they (and any reasonable person) would expect a competently run business to already have. Tranmere will always be in the shadow of 2 other clubs. It would take investment of Citeh levels to drag them up to Liverpool and Everton in terms of local profile. We have 1 other club to compete with. Our catchment area, and therefore potential is bigger than theirs. Of course, you could say that about a lot of businesses, and not many people will invest into just potential. That's probably a moot point though, as anybody sat opposite you discussing buying in to your football club will already know that they are 99.9% certain to be about to lose their money. What I don't have an answer to is mature infrastructure, but I guess that depends on the aspirations of the investor. What I mean is, the £45m Lansdown has spent on The DSS Arena is peanuts compared to the revenue that will be generated if they get to the top flight for just 1 season. |
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Post by Rex on Jan 26, 2020 19:06:16 GMT
So, does anyone know which October this news is due to arrive? Noctober (to go along with our dry January) |
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Post by swissgas on Jan 26, 2020 19:08:04 GMT
I’m as keen to sell Rovers potential as anyone but we have to be realistic. Over the last thirty years Tranmere have averaged higher crowds than us and unless you want to go back further I don’t think you can say our support base is much bigger than theirs. When looking at making an investment the Indonesians would have considered many factors not just the existing stadium and training ground but also the track record of the club and its realisable potential. Tranmere reached the play off’s for the Premier League in 1993, 94 and 95 plus the League Cup final in 2000 so fairly recently they have been close to where investors want to be whereas Rovers have been nowhere near. The investors would want their money to go into improving the football team not being spent on basic infrastructure which they (and any reasonable person) would expect a competently run business to already have. Tranmere will always be in the shadow of 2 other clubs. It would take investment of Citeh levels to drag them up to Liverpool and Everton in terms of local profile. We have 1 other club to compete with. Our catchment area, and therefore potential is bigger than theirs. Of course, you could say that about a lot of businesses, and not many people will invest into just potential. That's probably a moot point though, as anybody sat opposite you discussing buying in to your football club will already know that they are 99.9% certain to be about to lose their money. What I don't have an answer to is mature infrastructure, but I guess that depends on the aspirations of the investor. What I mean is, the £45m Lansdown has spent on The DSS Arena is peanuts compared to the revenue that will be generated if they get to the top flight for just 1 season. I’m glad you mentioned Tranmere’s local competitors because their owner addresses that issue in his report. In describing the various commercial projects they have going he uses the phrase “ leveraging off the unique football location that is the North West of England”. In other words he is saying “ we can’t do anything about being just across the river from that lot and we can’t compete with them financially so we’ve got to use our heads and turn the situation to our advantage”. This is a much healthier attitude to take than one of envy or surrender which we, unfortunately, so often fall back on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 19:22:42 GMT
Tranmere will always be in the shadow of 2 other clubs. It would take investment of Citeh levels to drag them up to Liverpool and Everton in terms of local profile. We have 1 other club to compete with. Our catchment area, and therefore potential is bigger than theirs. Of course, you could say that about a lot of businesses, and not many people will invest into just potential. That's probably a moot point though, as anybody sat opposite you discussing buying in to your football club will already know that they are 99.9% certain to be about to lose their money. What I don't have an answer to is mature infrastructure, but I guess that depends on the aspirations of the investor. What I mean is, the £45m Lansdown has spent on The DSS Arena is peanuts compared to the revenue that will be generated if they get to the top flight for just 1 season. I’m glad you mentioned Tranmere’s local competitors because their owner addresses that issue in his report. In describing the various commercial projects they have going he uses the phrase “ leveraging off the unique football location that is the North West of England”. In other words he is saying “ we can’t do anything about being just across the river from that lot and we can’t compete with them financially so we’ve got to use our heads and turn the situation to our advantage”. This is a much healthier attitude to take than one of envy or surrender which we, unfortunately, so often fall back on. So, I guess the question is, forgetting all of the personal history / politics / UWE / who isn't allowed to board meetings / who said something a bit silly in an interview, stick all of that noise on one side; do you honestly think that, if we had City's stadium and proper training facilities, there is investment out there looking for a home? |
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 26, 2020 19:39:21 GMT
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Post by droitwichgas on Jan 26, 2020 19:46:27 GMT
I’m glad you mentioned Tranmere’s local competitors because their owner addresses that issue in his report. In describing the various commercial projects they have going he uses the phrase “ leveraging off the unique football location that is the North West of England”. In other words he is saying “ we can’t do anything about being just across the river from that lot and we can’t compete with them financially so we’ve got to use our heads and turn the situation to our advantage”. This is a much healthier attitude to take than one of envy or surrender which we, unfortunately, so often fall back on. So, I guess the question is, forgetting all of the personal history / politics / UWE / who isn't allowed to board meetings / who said something a bit silly in an interview, stick all of that noise on one side; do you honestly think that, if we had City's stadium and proper training facilities, there is investment out there looking for a home? AG is now to big for our present realistic needs but say we had that 18/22K stadium and a decent training ground (although not really sure that's such a big draw for investors as it's fairly easy to adress) why would a club playing in a prosperous growing City attract investors? Our problem is nobody has been brave enough to gamble on building a stadium we've always want it funded by somebody else. Talking of the training ground my local rag is suggested £1m has been donated so 4 pitches including a 3G pitch plus changing facilities can be built plus there's a £500K FA grant also available, I'm mystified why the ALQ's couldn't do something similar at the The Colony, we just seem to be treading water but I'm not sure what the ALQ's are actually waiting to happen. |
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Post by fanatical on Jan 26, 2020 20:10:54 GMT
There appear to be several stooges at work on the two forums being fed information but without any substance to support their comments. They are given information to pass on and they willingly do so which has created nothing but division. I think we are heading to a dark place without anybody leading the way. Have thought this for some time now. Take 1 slightly insecure personality, feed it information and it'll appear all over social media, double quick time. Hiya Knowall, you OK? My main thought on that would be that if the characters instigating this nonsense harbour thoughts of owning / running the FC, we are in deep trouble. What I mean is this, you know some serious business people, I know that you do, so let me ask you this, would any of them ever get involved in this type of childish nonsense? I just caught sight of this and suppose I ought to respond because as many may know I happen to know knowall very well. Firstly, regarding serious business people it may surprise you that before he retired 10 years ago Knowall had owned finance companies in the UK, USA, Spain and the Chanel Islands. In the 1980's he was approached by both Denis and later Geoff Dunford to join the Board of BRFC and declined on both occasions. His motivation not to get involved with the football club at that level was most certainly due to the opinion of Sir Tom Cowie who was a business associate of Knowall and Chairman of Sunderland FC in the 1980's who famously said "When you become involved with a football club all business sense goes out the window and you make decisions you would never normally make in business". Further to your 'thoughts' Knowall 'harbours no thoughts of owning/running the FC'. although despite this we are still in deep trouble and as you so correctly say "would any of them ever get involved in this type of childish nonsense?" - you have summed it up perfectly! and I admire your perception. However, any true supporter of BRFC will want to help wherever possible to ensure there is a real and positive future for the club which currently may look bleak. The supporters of BRFC are a unique bunch and although laid back will come to the aid of 'their' Club in times of need. That time was before and may be again now. |
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