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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 20:24:45 GMT
Have thought this for some time now. Take 1 slightly insecure personality, feed it information and it'll appear all over social media, double quick time. Hiya Knowall, you OK? My main thought on that would be that if the characters instigating this nonsense harbour thoughts of owning / running the FC, we are in deep trouble. What I mean is this, you know some serious business people, I know that you do, so let me ask you this, would any of them ever get involved in this type of childish nonsense? I just caught sight of this and suppose I ought to respond because as many may know I happen to know knowall very well. Firstly, regarding serious business people it may surprise you that before he retired 10 years ago Knowall had owned finance companies in the UK, USA, Spain and the Chanel Islands. In the 1980's he was approached by both Denis and later Geoff Dunford to join the Board of BRFC and declined on both occasions. His motivation not to get involved with the football club at that level was most certainly due to the opinion of Sir Tom Cowie who was a business associate of Knowall and Chairman of Sunderland FC in the 1980's who famously said "When you become involved with a football club all business sense goes out the window and you make decisions you would never normally make in business". Further to your 'thoughts' Knowall 'harbours no thoughts of owning/running the FC'. although despite this we are still in deep trouble and as you so correctly say "would any of them ever get involved in this type of childish nonsense?" - you have summed it up perfectly! and I admire your perception. However, any true supporter of BRFC will want to help wherever possible to ensure there is a real and positive future for the club which currently may look bleak. The supporters of BRFC are a unique bunch and although laid back will come to the aid of 'their' Club in times of need. That time was before and may be again now. Oh God, I'm going to regret this, but go on then, share your plan for a 'real and positive future for the club'. |
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Post by swissgas on Jan 26, 2020 20:32:19 GMT
I’m glad you mentioned Tranmere’s local competitors because their owner addresses that issue in his report. In describing the various commercial projects they have going he uses the phrase “ leveraging off the unique football location that is the North West of England”. In other words he is saying “ we can’t do anything about being just across the river from that lot and we can’t compete with them financially so we’ve got to use our heads and turn the situation to our advantage”. This is a much healthier attitude to take than one of envy or surrender which we, unfortunately, so often fall back on. So, I guess the question is, forgetting all of the personal history / politics / UWE / who isn't allowed to board meetings / who said something a bit silly in an interview, stick all of that noise on one side; do you honestly think that, if we had City's stadium and proper training facilities, there is investment out there looking for a home? Absolutely no doubt that if we had City’s stadium and training facilities there would be investors queuing up to come in. In fact I should think that is one of the most difficult dilemmas Steve Lansdown will face because he has to weigh up whether it is right for his son to eventually take on the responsibility or whether he should bring in outside investment which would mean Bristol Sport ceases to be owned by a Bristolian family. For Rovers, right now, I believe potential owners are looking at the club but on the basis it will be a fresh start and with the greatest issue for them being providing stadium to play at. It is difficult to see how anyone could justify paying the Al-Qadi back all that they are owed then paying to redevelop the Mem and build a training ground. It is easier to envisage the Mem being sold for development and new football club owners taking us to a ground share while a new stadium is built but that path is fraught with danger unless they have a properly researched plan and the finances to carry it through. Although you put forward the idea that something should be done to stop the Al Qadi family selling the club and land to get their money back I can’t see a way of even trying to do that without putting the football club in more danger. Sometimes you have to accept that others hold all the aces, they have a loan secured against the Mem, and prolonging the issue is more likely to bring about unpleasant confrontation which damage the club even further whereas a clean break gives a fresh start. It is the new start which we need to concentrate on and most of all we must lose that sense of insecurity which IMO is the root cause of much of our failing. John M touched on it and I agree that for all his wonderful attributes Geoff D was blighted by a degree of insecurity which had a negative effect on a Rovers. Nick Higgs suffered in a similar way and Wael is the epitome of it. We cannot have what Basel used to call a sports and social club being run like a communist dictatorship with inner cliques, secrecy and anyone daring to speak their mind about obvious failings being called out as a heretic. When we look at other clubs we can find many owners who are trying to run them like a professional business but still maintaining the sports and social club principle. Their sense of security is very clear because they are confident and eager to share their ideas with fans. It may not always work and things may not always go as planned but it’s a darned site more pleasant that the miserable situation we have now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 21:07:55 GMT
So, I guess the question is, forgetting all of the personal history / politics / UWE / who isn't allowed to board meetings / who said something a bit silly in an interview, stick all of that noise on one side; do you honestly think that, if we had City's stadium and proper training facilities, there is investment out there looking for a home? Absolutely no doubt that if we had City’s stadium and training facilities there would be investors queuing up to come in. In fact I should think that is one of the most difficult dilemmas Steve Lansdown will face because he has to weigh up whether it is right for his son to eventually take on the responsibility or whether he should bring in outside investment which would mean Bristol Sport ceases to be owned by a Bristolian family. For Rovers, right now, I believe potential owners are looking at the club but on the basis it will be a fresh start and with the greatest issue for them being providing stadium to play at. It is difficult to see how anyone could justify paying the Al-Qadi back all that they are owed then paying to redevelop the Mem and build a training ground. It is easier to envisage the Mem being sold for development and new football club owners taking us to a ground share while a new stadium is built but that path is fraught with danger unless they have a properly researched plan and the finances to carry it through. Although you put forward the idea that something should be done to stop the Al Qadi family selling the club and land to get their money back I can’t see a way of even trying to do that without putting the football club in more danger. Sometimes you have to accept that others hold all the aces, they have a loan secured against the Mem, and prolonging the issue is more likely to bring about unpleasant confrontation which damage the club even further whereas a clean break gives a fresh start. It is the new start which we need to concentrate on and most of all we must lose that sense of insecurity which IMO is the root cause of much of our failing. John M touched on it and I agree that for all his wonderful attributes Geoff D was blighted by a degree of insecurity which had a negative effect on a Rovers. Nick Higgs suffered in a similar way and Wael is the epitome of it. We cannot have what Basel used to call a sports and social club being run like a communist dictatorship with inner cliques, secrecy and anyone daring to speak their mind about obvious failings being called out as a heretic. When we look at other clubs we can find many owners who are trying to run them like a professional business but still maintaining the sports and social club principle. Their sense of security is very clear because they are confident and eager to share their ideas with fans. It may not always work and things may not always go as planned but it’s a darned site more pleasant that the miserable situation we have now. Agree with most of that, we've already covered the bits that we disagree on. The problem is, who is going to do what about where Rovers find themselves? I'm sure that if Wael and Hani had their time again, they would change some things, but we could all probably say that. Us saying that someone else needs to pull circa £15m out of a hat, then £3~5m more for the present accounting period and to cover costs until they get their feet under the table, isn't actually going to change anything. It remains, if you have £20m burning a hole, there are plenty of clubs further along the evolutionary scale who would love to see you, so why would you buy a stadium that looks like a camp site? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 21:41:18 GMT
I'm sure that if Wael and Hani had their time again, they would change some things, but we could all probably say that. Like not paying Nicholas Higgs a penny for a basket case of stadium plan? |
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Post by droitwichgas on Jan 26, 2020 22:26:17 GMT
"although despite this we are still in deep trouble"
Problem is you keep posting that on both forums but never actually say why, so it's just like the small shouting "wolf" nobody actually takes any real notice. Particularly on Gaschat where Gashead1981 just calls you out time after time. If you and the SC have concerns it's about time you said what they actually were?
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Post by bondigas on Jan 26, 2020 22:32:23 GMT
Some very constructive concern about the clubs future has been well posted earlier, there is no direction from anyone from Dwane Sports in how the club is heading, it appears Dwane Sports have withdrawn any direct communication with our fan base. We even have people from the other site posting on here looking for forgiveness and sympathy for their unstinted support of Dwane Sports. I think we are in trouble and life is looking not to promising, the lights above the exit doors are lit, dark glasses don't hide the sign, there could be trouble ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 23:13:48 GMT
We are doomed!
I mean about 6 posters on here and 4 on gaschat have said as much.
That's 10 people unless some are the same posters but with different usernames.
Its hard to start a revolution though because these people have no evidence against the owners and cannot even decide among themselves when the equity on the mem will run out.
Comical really.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 23:37:29 GMT
We are doomed! I mean about 6 posters on here and 4 on gaschat have said as much. We're not getting a stadium. We're losing the Memorial Ground. We're not getting a training ground. We're losing the supporters directors. We're not getting investment. We're losing supporters. How are we not doomed, old mate? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 0:07:09 GMT
We are doomed! I mean about 6 posters on here and 4 on gaschat have said as much. We're not getting a stadium. We're losing the Memorial Ground. We're not getting a training ground. We're losing the supporters directors. We're not getting investment. We're losing supporters. How are we not doomed, old mate? Are we losing the mem? If the bunch of muddled bitter posters on here are the leaders of the revolution then god help us all. The owners have not delivered on the big stuff but until further notice we need them to keep the club running. The same people on here spent all there time attacking higgs and will do the same with the next owners so they are simply not credible in my view. Im neither for or against the owners but i have more faith in them than the anti owner gang on here. Look at the way they have attacked gashead 81 on here,even ridiculing his business,just plain nasty in my opinion. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jan 27, 2020 0:24:11 GMT
"although despite this we are still in deep trouble" Problem is you keep posting that on both forums but never actually say why, so it's just like the small shouting "wolf" nobody actually takes any real notice. Particularly on Gaschat where Gashead1981 just calls you out time after time. If you and the SC have concerns it's about time you said what they actually were? Who is this on GC? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 0:27:28 GMT
"although despite this we are still in deep trouble" Problem is you keep posting that on both forums but never actually say why, so it's just like the small shouting "wolf" nobody actually takes any real notice. Particularly on Gaschat where Gashead1981 just calls you out time after time. If you and the SC have concerns it's about time you said what they actually were? Who is this on GC? Who cares? Why don't you all go behind the bicycle shed and play slapsies, last one to cry wins. |
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Post by swissgas on Jan 27, 2020 0:34:05 GMT
We are doomed! I mean about 6 posters on here and 4 on gaschat have said as much. That's 10 people unless some are the same posters but with different usernames. Its hard to start a revolution though because these people have no evidence against the owners and cannot even decide among themselves when the equity on the mem will run out. Comical really. The message from the 2018 audited accounts is unambiguous. Unless financial performance has improved very significantly over the last eighteen months we will either have reached the limit of credit by now or be reaching it very soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 0:49:52 GMT
We are doomed! I mean about 6 posters on here and 4 on gaschat have said as much. That's 10 people unless some are the same posters but with different usernames. Its hard to start a revolution though because these people have no evidence against the owners and cannot even decide among themselves when the equity on the mem will run out. Comical really. The message from the 2018 audited accounts is unambiguous. Unless financial performance has improved very significantly over the last eighteen months we will either have reached the limit of credit by now or be reaching it very soon. But bamber said that was not the case by a long way? And you yourself said the limit was reached 2 months ago so why are we still operating and signing 4 new players including barrett for a fee? |
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Post by swissgas on Jan 27, 2020 1:31:05 GMT
The message from the 2018 audited accounts is unambiguous. Unless financial performance has improved very significantly over the last eighteen months we will either have reached the limit of credit by now or be reaching it very soon. But bamber said that was not the case by a long way? And you yourself said the limit was reached 2 months ago so why are we still operating and signing 4 new players including barrett for a fee? The credit limit is 17.5 million but Bamber and I disagree on the value of the Mem. We are still operating because we have the cash to do so but IMO we should take the mention of “a fee” with a pinch of salt. I think primarily signing cheap young players on loan gives the impression of being forced to have a gas meter which accepts coins by the hour rather than being worthy of having a quarterly account with the gas company. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 10:49:36 GMT
We're not getting a stadium. We're losing the Memorial Ground. We're not getting a training ground. We're losing the supporters directors. We're not getting investment. We're losing supporters. How are we not doomed, old mate? Are we losing the mem? If the bunch of muddled bitter posters on here are the leaders of the revolution then god help us all. The owners have not delivered on the big stuff but until further notice we need them to keep the club running. The same people on here spent all there time attacking higgs and will do the same with the next owners so they are simply not credible in my view. Im neither for or against the owners but i have more faith in them than the anti owner gang on here. Look at the way they have attacked gashead 81 on here,even ridiculing his business,just plain nasty in my opinion. Wasn’t the “attack” on Gaschat by Gasincider? Wael has always had my support unlike the buffoon he took over from. My concerns now are focused on the exit plans for the current owners. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 27, 2020 11:00:08 GMT
There appear to be several stooges at work on the two forums being fed information but without any substance to support their comments. They are given information to pass on and they willingly do so which has created nothing but division. I think we are heading to a dark place without anybody leading the way. Totally agree. I will browse the other place and sometimes post but it can get extremely personal due to the agendas of certain posters & you are spot on in that there is never any corroboration of the information given, if any. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 11:34:15 GMT
The message from the 2018 audited accounts is unambiguous. Unless financial performance has improved very significantly over the last eighteen months we will either have reached the limit of credit by now or be reaching it very soon. But bamber said that was not the case by a long way? And you yourself said the limit was reached 2 months ago so why are we still operating and signing 4 new players including barrett for a fee? Don't misquote me. I'm using the 'rumoured' valuation of a deal agreed on the Civil Service Club site to base my 'guess' as to the valuation of the land with a football stadium on it. I think that it's a reasonable estimate, but I've always qualified what I've said. This is how you get yourself so confused, you either don't pay attention to, or don't understand what's happening around you. Either way, Swiss isn't responsible for what I post. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 27, 2020 11:40:50 GMT
Have thought this for some time now. Take 1 slightly insecure personality, feed it information and it'll appear all over social media, double quick time. Hiya Knowall, you OK? My main thought on that would be that if the characters instigating this nonsense harbour thoughts of owning / running the FC, we are in deep trouble. What I mean is this, you know some serious business people, I know that you do, so let me ask you this, would any of them ever get involved in this type of childish nonsense? I just caught sight of this and suppose I ought to respond because as many may know I happen to know knowall very well. Firstly, regarding serious business people it may surprise you that before he retired 10 years ago Knowall had owned finance companies in the UK, USA, Spain and the Chanel Islands. In the 1980's he was approached by both Denis and later Geoff Dunford to join the Board of BRFC and declined on both occasions. His motivation not to get involved with the football club at that level was most certainly due to the opinion of Sir Tom Cowie who was a business associate of Knowall and Chairman of Sunderland FC in the 1980's who famously said "When you become involved with a football club all business sense goes out the window and you make decisions you would never normally make in business". Further to your 'thoughts' Knowall 'harbours no thoughts of owning/running the FC'. although despite this we are still in deep trouble and as you so correctly say "would any of them ever get involved in this type of childish nonsense?" - you have summed it up perfectly! and I admire your perception. However, any true supporter of BRFC will want to help wherever possible to ensure there is a real and positive future for the club which currently may look bleak. The supporters of BRFC are a unique bunch and although laid back will come to the aid of 'their' Club in times of need. That time was before and may be again now. Thanks for giving some background on Roy. I had no idea he was involved in business & it gives me a better perspective of him. Much appreciated |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 27, 2020 11:43:46 GMT
Some very constructive concern about the clubs future has been well posted earlier, there is no direction from anyone from Dwane Sports in how the club is heading, it appears Dwane Sports have withdrawn any direct communication with our fan base. We even have people from the other site posting on here looking for forgiveness and sympathy for their unstinted support of Dwane Sports. I think we are in trouble and life is looking not to promising, the lights above the exit doors are lit, dark glasses don't hide the sign, there could be trouble ahead. There are a small number of posters who like to think they are friends with El Presidente & my belief is that they genuinely think they are trying to protect a friend |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 27, 2020 11:49:39 GMT
We are doomed! I mean about 6 posters on here and 4 on gaschat have said as much. We're not getting a stadium. We're losing the Memorial Ground. We're not getting a training ground. We're losing the supporters directors. We're not getting investment. We're losing supporters. How are we not doomed, old mate? BOOM ! I’d very much like to know how it is for the good of the club that any money that is lent to us, via the holding company, owned by the very same people, is subject to between 4-6% interest. I have heard NH and now our owners talk about doing what’s right for the club but this seems to be largely forgotten. |
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