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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 15, 2018 12:56:38 GMT
There by hangs a tail the al qadis fell into the trap of thinking that by spending money on backroom staff management offices in London and development side was the way forward without realising that the only way this was sustainable was to have a successful side operating in front of full houses. Unfortunately the side has suffered from lack of investment so available money is now not available and as long as results carry on as they are then less will be there for spending on players and cuts will have to be made.the question is where? Do we get rid of the new chief executive or the head of recruitment or the development squad or sell the last few saleable players.something has to give the evolution plan has made us deeper in debt than ever and don't say it's in house because that is just ignoring the fact that bankers always want their money back so it will have to be repaid. Until 12 months ago I wasn't that worried because I knew that whatever happened gd wouldn't let this club die but now we haven't got this to rely on and unless something happens soon I dint think we will either have a club to support in 5 years or won't have a home to call our own again. "offices in London". Pretty damn sure the only reasonable explanation for this unbelievable extravagance is for them to be used as a base to talk to potential buyers of the Club. Anyone seen the offices? Anyone know who works there? Can you pop in to see for yourself what they actually look like? No you cannot. It is a bit like the tardis and houses exiled Saudi journalists hiding from danger and has a fantastic costa coffee shop. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:19:59 GMT
Is this thread still going!
Obviously nothing much going on at the club at the moment.
Why doesn't someone start a rumour that sounds vaguely plausible, that should keep us entertained for a couple of weeks?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:23:22 GMT
Is this thread still going! Obviously nothing much going on at the club at the moment. Why doesn't someone start a rumour that sounds vaguely plausible, that should keep us entertained for a couple of weeks? Anyone know of any decent books for Christmas? |
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 15, 2018 13:29:53 GMT
Blackbeard, clearly on excellent drugs, has posted the following at the other place....
Wael will be gone in 5-6 weeks but retain 10%
Consortium headed by Jersey business man will take over pumping £250m in over 5 years
Training will happen at the new 4G pitches next to M32
Memorial stadium and Filton plot will be exchanged in land deal with UWE and UWE stadium will be built
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:32:28 GMT
Is this thread still going! Obviously nothing much going on at the club at the moment. Why doesn't someone start a rumour that sounds vaguely plausible, that should keep us entertained for a couple of weeks? Anyone know of any decent books for Christmas?  It's like Secret Santa, only backwards, you have to work out who the gift is for  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:34:48 GMT
Blackbeard, clearly on excellent drugs, has posted the following at the other place.... Wael will be gone in 5-6 weeks but retain 10%
Consortium headed by Jersey business man will take over pumping £250m in over 5 years
Training will happen at the new 4G pitches next to M32
Memorial stadium and Filton plot will be exchanged in land deal with UWE and UWE stadium will be built |
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 15, 2018 14:06:48 GMT
Blackbeard, clearly on excellent drugs, has posted the following at the other place.... Wael will be gone in 5-6 weeks but retain 10%
Consortium headed by Jersey business man will take over pumping £250m in over 5 years
Training will happen at the new 4G pitches next to M32
Memorial stadium and Filton plot will be exchanged in land deal with UWE and UWE stadium will be builtI don't smoke, but will happily take it up some of that stuff |
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Post by irishrover on Oct 15, 2018 14:32:40 GMT
I have sympathy for this.
I think a lot of Gasheads are stuck on a 'white knight' mentality. Ie. There's going to be some benevolent super-rich owner who is going to come in and invest the neccesary time, energy and money to get this club which is 'stuck in the Dark Ages' (Clarke, 2018) up to a level in which we can at least hope to compete at League 1/Championship standard. This is surely based on assumptions from an era which has passed. The Jack Waker's/Jack Heywood's of this world have gone - the football world has evolved beyond them. There is no longer any symbiotic relationship between fans and owners in which the interests of both will always be aligned.
It seems to me that we are now in an international marketplace and, as fans, we are simply reliant on whether our owners are a)competent b)interested enough to be bothered c)rich enough to match our ambitions. When the AQ's first took over I never joined in the loveathon which broke out because it seemed to me that these situations are a faustian pact which is only going to be as positive for as long as the interests of the owners are in line with the interests of the fans. We seem to have reached that point of departure faster than I expected but I think it was always likely to happen at some point. Fans need to learn to be as hard-headed in our attitudes to owners (no matter how committed their language) as they are. Just because the Nick Higgs era was an absolute disaster never made the AQ's the visionary saviours some made them out to be.
It's why I don't think Padstow's right about GD as having been some backstop saviour either. It's not even about attitudes to the club - I don't think he could have stepped in even if he had wanted to. The level of investment etc needed to do that has just moved beyond people like that now. I think that should be clear in the rumours we now hear about the likes of Ed Ware trying to put together a consortium including overseas investors. That's the level we are at now - unless you really are internationally super-rich on a Steve Lansdowne level or letting your heart completely rule your head then you are not buying an English League football club like ours. When I was a kid people used to dream of winning the lottery (or Euromillions) and taking over Rovers - that seems comically naive now in the current climate of football finance.
£30-£40m investment in physical infrastructure would actually give Rovers a ground and training ground though. That in real terms is the investment needed...
If that is done Rovers could be in a position to compete at this level and potentially the one above, unfortunately it needs someone to look for a long term return on their investment...
Sure- it's not impossible to imagine a scenario where somebody does that and has the right long-term approach but punting £30-40 million into a club that has been starved of proper investment for pretty much its entire history is is not an 'evolution' of the club, it's a revolution. I'm not sure if the AQ's simply downgraded their ambitions for the club when they realised the reality of how much it would cost or if they were simply naive about how much risk they would have to take on themselves to secure a solid return on their investment (although the former seems more likely I think) but whoever is in charge faces that same basic issue. I just think it's asking an awful lot of any new owner and is now probably beyond the capacity of nearly any local group with long term Gashead loyalties and they are the type most likely to take a longer term approach (not that it helped last time of course). Maybe I'm wrong about that though - hope so. |
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Post by badbloodash on Oct 15, 2018 14:40:23 GMT
Blackbeard, clearly on excellent drugs, has posted the following at the other place.... Wael will be gone in 5-6 weeks but retain 10%
Consortium headed by Jersey business man will take over pumping £250m in over 5 years
Training will happen at the new 4G pitches next to M32
Memorial stadium and Filton plot will be exchanged in land deal with UWE and UWE stadium will be builtI don't smoke, but will happily take it up some of that stuff To come up with that lot you would have to be on a lot stronger stuff than weed😎☁️9 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 14:40:34 GMT
Its not about being concerned if a takeover happens or not. For me its much like the AQ takeover and peoples expectations of said takeover. Unless someone with no concern for money takes over Any new ownership is not necessarily a magic bullet and the club will have to work within its limitations. People need to understand that I have sympathy for this.
I think a lot of Gasheads are stuck on a 'white knight' mentality. Ie. There's going to be some benevolent super-rich owner who is going to come in and invest the neccesary time, energy and money to get this club which is 'stuck in the Dark Ages' (Clarke, 2018) up to a level in which we can at least hope to compete at League 1/Championship standard. This is surely based on assumptions from an era which has passed. The Jack Waker's/Jack Heywood's of this world have gone - the football world has evolved beyond them. There is no longer any symbiotic relationship between fans and owners in which the interests of both will always be aligned.
It seems to me that we are now in an international marketplace and, as fans, we are simply reliant on whether our owners are a)competent b)interested enough to be bothered c)rich enough to match our ambitions. When the AQ's first took over I never joined in the loveathon which broke out because it seemed to me that these situations are a faustian pact which is only going to be as positive for as long as the interests of the owners are in line with the interests of the fans. We seem to have reached that point of departure faster than I expected but I think it was always likely to happen at some point. Fans need to learn to be as hard-headed in our attitudes to owners (no matter how committed their language) as they are. Just because the Nick Higgs era was an absolute disaster never made the AQ's the visionary saviours some made them out to be.
It's why I don't think Padstow's right about GD as having been some backstop saviour either. It's not even about attitudes to the club - I don't think he could have stepped in even if he had wanted to. The level of investment etc needed to do that has just moved beyond people like that now. I think that should be clear in the rumours we now hear about the likes of Ed Ware trying to put together a consortium including overseas investors. That's the level we are at now - unless you really are internationally super-rich on a Steve Lansdowne level or letting your heart completely rule your head then you are not buying an English League football club like ours. When I was a kid people used to dream of winning the lottery (or Euromillions) and taking over Rovers - that seems comically naive now in the current climate of football finance.
I never intimated that Geoff would have had the sort of money to invest in the club to build a stadium what I said was if the s... hit the fan and the current owners did a flook et al then Geoff would not have stood by and watched the club die and if it meant another ground share as we did in 1986 then so be it.we would have struggled but would have come out the other side stronger and more united than we are now |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 14:42:32 GMT
£30-£40m investment in physical infrastructure would actually give Rovers a ground and training ground though. That in real terms is the investment needed...
If that is done Rovers could be in a position to compete at this level and potentially the one above, unfortunately it needs someone to look for a long term return on their investment...
Sure- it's not impossible to imagine a scenario where somebody does that and has the right long-term approach but punting £30-40 million into a club that has been starved of proper investment for pretty much its entire history is is not an 'evolution' of the club, it's a revolution. I'm not sure if the AQ's simply downgraded their ambitions for the club when they realised the reality of how much it would cost or if they were simply naive about how much risk they would have to take on themselves to secure a solid return on their investment (although the former seems more likely I think) but whoever is in charge faces that same basic issue. I just think it's asking an awful lot of any new owner and is now probably beyond the capacity of nearly any local group with long term Gashead loyalties and they are the type most likely to take a longer term approach (not that it helped last time of course). Maybe I'm wrong about that though - hope so. Exactly the reason why our current situation sees a lot of board members post-Mem purchase culpable. Unfortunately a lack of investment in the Mem has left it a complete wreck of a stadium. Next summer will see the 20th anniversary of the South Stand.
The. Twentieth. Anniversary. Of. The. South. Stand.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 14:46:15 GMT
£30-£40m investment in physical infrastructure would actually give Rovers a ground and training ground though. That in real terms is the investment needed...
If that is done Rovers could be in a position to compete at this level and potentially the one above, unfortunately it needs someone to look for a long term return on their investment...
Sure- it's not impossible to imagine a scenario where somebody does that and has the right long-term approach but punting £30-40 million into a club that has been starved of proper investment for pretty much its entire history is is not an 'evolution' of the club, it's a revolution. I'm not sure if the AQ's simply downgraded their ambitions for the club when they realised the reality of how much it would cost or if they were simply naive about how much risk they would have to take on themselves to secure a solid return on their investment (although the former seems more likely I think) but whoever is in charge faces that same basic issue. I just think it's asking an awful lot of any new owner and is now probably beyond the capacity of nearly any local group with long term Gashead loyalties and they are the type most likely to take a longer term approach (not that it helped last time of course). Maybe I'm wrong about that though - hope so. and we can all see how evolution is working.team dropping like a stone attendances falling and the mem looking like a Bedouin encampment not my idea of successful owners and don't start me on about the we are not in debt we just owe the owners 12 million.Bolton fans were saying the same until the man they owed over 100m to decided enough was enough and bailed out leaving the club on the verge of extinction.These owners are bankers and unlike the Bolton owner who eventually wiped out most of what was owed to him this lot wont |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 14:46:59 GMT
Where's the problem? With £30m you can pay Alexis Sanchez his £600k a week for a whole year. Or you can build a stadium similar to the one Shrewsbury have. TV money has destroyed stability in English football finances. Having said that, I would still like to get Higgs, Hani and the head Dudes from UWE around a table and get them all to pretty promise to tell the truth about exactly what happened, who said what when and why a stadium isn't just about constructed now on that site. |
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Post by gasheadpirate on Oct 15, 2018 14:47:33 GMT
Sure- it's not impossible to imagine a scenario where somebody does that and has the right long-term approach but punting £30-40 million into a club that has been starved of proper investment for pretty much its entire history is is not an 'evolution' of the club, it's a revolution. I'm not sure if the AQ's simply downgraded their ambitions for the club when they realised the reality of how much it would cost or if they were simply naive about how much risk they would have to take on themselves to secure a solid return on their investment (although the former seems more likely I think) but whoever is in charge faces that same basic issue. I just think it's asking an awful lot of any new owner and is now probably beyond the capacity of nearly any local group with long term Gashead loyalties and they are the type most likely to take a longer term approach (not that it helped last time of course). Maybe I'm wrong about that though - hope so. Exactly the reason why our current situation sees a lot of board members post-Mem purchase culpable. Unfortunately a lack of investment in the Mem has left it a complete wreck of a stadium. Next summer will see the 20th anniversary of the South Stand.
The. Twentieth. Anniversary. Of. The. South. Stand.
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Post by irishrover on Oct 15, 2018 15:03:55 GMT
I have sympathy for this.
I think a lot of Gasheads are stuck on a 'white knight' mentality. Ie. There's going to be some benevolent super-rich owner who is going to come in and invest the neccesary time, energy and money to get this club which is 'stuck in the Dark Ages' (Clarke, 2018) up to a level in which we can at least hope to compete at League 1/Championship standard. This is surely based on assumptions from an era which has passed. The Jack Waker's/Jack Heywood's of this world have gone - the football world has evolved beyond them. There is no longer any symbiotic relationship between fans and owners in which the interests of both will always be aligned.
It seems to me that we are now in an international marketplace and, as fans, we are simply reliant on whether our owners are a)competent b)interested enough to be bothered c)rich enough to match our ambitions. When the AQ's first took over I never joined in the loveathon which broke out because it seemed to me that these situations are a faustian pact which is only going to be as positive for as long as the interests of the owners are in line with the interests of the fans. We seem to have reached that point of departure faster than I expected but I think it was always likely to happen at some point. Fans need to learn to be as hard-headed in our attitudes to owners (no matter how committed their language) as they are. Just because the Nick Higgs era was an absolute disaster never made the AQ's the visionary saviours some made them out to be.
It's why I don't think Padstow's right about GD as having been some backstop saviour either. It's not even about attitudes to the club - I don't think he could have stepped in even if he had wanted to. The level of investment etc needed to do that has just moved beyond people like that now. I think that should be clear in the rumours we now hear about the likes of Ed Ware trying to put together a consortium including overseas investors. That's the level we are at now - unless you really are internationally super-rich on a Steve Lansdowne level or letting your heart completely rule your head then you are not buying an English League football club like ours. When I was a kid people used to dream of winning the lottery (or Euromillions) and taking over Rovers - that seems comically naive now in the current climate of football finance.
I never intimated that Geoff would have had the sort of money to invest in the club to build a stadium what I said was if the s... hit the fan and the current owners did a flook et al then Geoff would not have stood by and watched the club die and if it meant another ground share as we did in 1986 then so be it.we would have struggled but would have come out the other side stronger and more united than we are now That's my point though, I'm not suggesting someone like that would build the stadium either. What I doubt is that a Dennis/Geoff Dunford or equivalent would be able to pick up the pieces in that scenario anymore at least not in any way that could realistically salvage the midterm future of the club as happened before. I mean you'd be taking on £1.5 million annual debts (as a conservative estimate - probably a fair bit more in reality) on top of whatever the existing debt would be and whatever you had to fork out to get the previous owners out not to mention that it would be a hell of a lot harder to compete with other clubs on that basis now than it was then even. Maybe you could come out the other side in the same position Torquay are in but I can't see how a football league club could be salvaged out of it now. I don't think Twerton mkII even exists as a desperate last backup option anymore. If any future owner of Rovers leaves us dangling like that I see us more likely to do a Darlington/Halifax/Stockport etc. You get to a point where good intentions are not enough unfortunately. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 15:43:56 GMT
I never intimated that Geoff would have had the sort of money to invest in the club to build a stadium what I said was if the s... hit the fan and the current owners did a flook et al then Geoff would not have stood by and watched the club die and if it meant another ground share as we did in 1986 then so be it.we would have struggled but would have come out the other side stronger and more united than we are now That's my point though, I'm not suggesting someone like that would build the stadium either. What I doubt is that a Dennis/Geoff Dunford or equivalent would be able to pick up the pieces in that scenario anymore at least not in any way that could realistically salvage the midterm future of the club as happened before. I mean you'd be taking on £1.5 million annual debts (as a conservative estimate - probably a fair bit more in reality) on top of whatever the existing debt would be and whatever you had to fork out to get the previous owners out not to mention that it would be a hell of a lot harder to compete with other clubs on that basis now than it was then even. Maybe you could come out the other side in the same position Torquay are in but I can't see how a football league club could be salvaged out of it now. I don't think Twerton mkII even exists as a desperate last backup option anymore. If any future owner of Rovers leaves us dangling like that I see us more likely to do a Darlington/Halifax/Stockport etc. You get to a point where good intentions are not enough unfortunately. That's all well and good but if the current incumbents walk away and sell the Mem to cover their debts the club owed you would be happy to see the club go into extinction rather than start again |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 17:02:41 GMT
Do we have any demonstrable evidence, anything, that the present owners are in discussions to sell?
No, what you overheard in the queue at the Post Office doesn't count.
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Post by vaughan on Oct 15, 2018 17:15:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 17:27:34 GMT
If you know something just say it, the truth never hurt anybody. You aren't pulling the tired old trick of waiting for the horse to cross the line and then pretending that you knew what was going to happen all along, are you? |
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Post by vaughan on Oct 15, 2018 19:32:01 GMT
I know something, but I don't if it's the truth or when it is going to happen.
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