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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 1, 2017 6:01:55 GMT
Shame on you all for attending tonight. Amongst some positiveness, you've helped develop and improve a Spaniard and Norwegian youngsters whom scored against us tonight. Well done for that! Brilliant for English youth football (cos Nichols scored early on)? Disgraceful, divisive tournament and sooner we're not participating in it, the better. Big positive is that 4 players from our development squad got experience against some very good players. Your totally entitled to your opinion on a competition that EFL clubs voted to keep despite the supporters but your right out of order trying to bully or shame those that dont agree with you. Nobody died tonight its just a poxy football match,maybe get a life? How can you be bullied or shamed if you do not feel you are bullied or shamed? Hence, why some attended. And our minor positives (which is recognised in my earlier post) is far outweighed by the major negativity of helping develop young players from a different nation, the very opposite of what this hellhole competition was meant to be set up for (which I see you choose NOT to recognise in your post). Maybe, get some principles? |
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 1, 2017 7:41:12 GMT
An entertaining match but clearly we were hammered by a slick Hammers side with Samuelson looking class and their left winger running Leadbitter ragged. For me Russe and Bola did well.
Bola too was useful and willing to attack, no doubt familiar with the possession based game these academy players are comfortable with which he plays at Arsenal.
Our experienced players Slocombe and Moore did nothing to justify a start on Friday. Although Dunnwald offers a physical presence and worth a subs place.
Sinclair was Sinclair chasing around but West Ham had quickness of thought and movement something we found hard to compete with.
Would DC take any of this Hammers on loan ...feel Samuelson would be great in the centre of our midfield. The penalty was a joke as a qualified ref I would have booked him for simulation. Why do players have to cheat like that as clearly they were far superior than our players. 3-1 flattered could have easily been 5-1.
Sets up an interesting tie with Swindon next Weds.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Nov 1, 2017 8:44:22 GMT
It was a great night for developing young Norwegian and Spanish talent then...
The EFL must be so proud.
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 1, 2017 9:37:44 GMT
It was a great night for developing young Norwegian and Spanish talent then... The EFL must be so proud. Don't forget the German talent our very own Kenan Dunnwald. Please note Holland, Kemp, Pike & Hector-Ingram are talented English players. We also had a French keeper on the bench.
EFL is a global game nowadays you can blame Spurs for encouraging it in the 1980s. The fact England are World Cup winners at Under 20 and 17s proves we can develop players.
I do believe it was the youngest average age side we have ever played in a competitive match. Far play to the 50 or so Hammers fans who attended who made up the crowd of 1,508.
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Post by Igitur on Nov 1, 2017 9:54:09 GMT
To further illustrate the madness of the new format, of the 16 U21 sides 14 are 3rd or bottom in the leagues of 4 teams with one game to go; effectively 4 of them are already knocked out, including Spurs and Chelsea. Though maybe this illustrates how bad the youngsters are, yet they have won two World Cups this year, so are they taking it seriously? Only 6 players in each U21 side need be U21 and the sides have no nationality constraints - bring on Brexit! :-)
It's a pile of pooh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 10:03:07 GMT
It was a great night for developing young Norwegian and Spanish talent then... The EFL must be so proud. I wouldn't get too hung up on the whole thing, young English lads wouldn't have learned too much playing against hardened L1 pros who are only going at 3/4 throttle, but the good news is that the same applies to the youngsters from Spain, Norway etc. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 1, 2017 10:33:57 GMT
To further illustrate the madness of the new format, of the 16 U21 sides 14 are 3rd or bottom in the leagues of 4 teams with one game to go; effectively 4 of them are already knocked out, including Spurs and Chelsea. Though maybe this illustrates how bad the youngsters are, yet they have won two World Cups this year, so are they taking it seriously? Only 6 players in each U21 side need be U21 and the sides have no nationality constraints - bring on Brexit! :-) It's a pile of pooh. Agree with you on Brexit ...but lets get on with it instead of this brinkmanship. Don't pay them any fee for leaving ....it is not part of the terms.
But how do you feel when Barcelona, Girona and Espanyol are kicked out of the Spanish league following Catalonia Independence and playing against Rovers in the EFL ? Would you go and watch or boycott ?
DC only mentioned recently that Rovers are looking at foreign players as they are technically more gifted. We certainly had a super star under Ollie....Vitas Astafjevs ... one of my all time favourite players.
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 1, 2017 10:38:24 GMT
It was a great night for developing young Norwegian and Spanish talent then... The EFL must be so proud. Don't forget the German talent our very own Kenan Dunnwald. Please note Holland, Kemp, Pike & Hector-Ingram are talented English players. We also had a French keeper on the bench.
EFL is a global game nowadays you can blame Spurs for encouraging it in the 1980s. The fact England are World Cup winners at Under 20 and 17s proves we can develop players.
I do believe it was the youngest average age side we have ever played in a competitive match. Far play to the 50 or so Hammers fans who attended who made up the crowd of 1,508.
Mike, I wouldn't mind if the whole competition was an U23 competition and it did away with the pretence that this is to benefit the England team when clearly it isn't.
It makes the competition a joke when we are 'forced' to play x number of players from the previous game for a serious league match and pit them against a young side full of youth players and a (few aging internationals)
either get rid of the Cat 1 Academy teams, or change the whole tournament so the real teams are made to/BRIBED to participate in a skewed competition
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 2:16:46 GMT
just to put tuesday in perspective.
martinez cost £2.4m from valencia
rice has played 5 premier league matches this season.
samuelson has 3 full caps for norway.
Martinez weekly wage would be equal to our whole team on tuesday imo .
Just to put the whole match into perspective and point out what youngsters like broom and russe as well as more experienced players were up against.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 2, 2017 7:44:34 GMT
Reinforces the point of which club benefits more doesn't it, in this shower of a competition?!
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Post by Rex on Nov 2, 2017 7:52:49 GMT
West Ham's starting line up included the following non-home nations players: Coventry - Republic of Ireland Quina - Portugal Haskabanovic - Montenegro Samuelsen - Norway Martinez - Spain I'm pleased our development players got a run out and would be happy for the whole tournament to be officially downgraded to development/reserves/u21/u23. I just hope we don't get another fine for making 8 changes from Saturday's starting line up. If they downgraded the tournament I think Rovers would get better attendances. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 2, 2017 11:26:49 GMT
West Ham's starting line up included the following non-home nations players: Coventry - Republic of Ireland Quina - Portugal Haskabanovic - Montenegro Samuelsen - Norway Martinez - Spain I'm pleased our development players got a run out and would be happy for the whole tournament to be officially downgraded to development/reserves/u21/u23. I just hope we don't get another fine for making 8 changes from Saturday's starting line up. If they downgraded the tournament I think Rovers would get better attendances. That must surely be one of the most bizarre statements I have ever read on this forum. Downgrade to what may I ask? This Associate Members Cup has always had small attendances in the early rounds until the real prospect of Wembley is there ...Bristol City, Shrewsbury & Notts County. Do you remember those exciting Area Finals ? |
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Post by Angas on Nov 2, 2017 11:40:22 GMT
If they downgraded the tournament I think Rovers would get better attendances. That must surely be one of the most bizarre statements I have ever read on this forum. Downgrade to what may I ask? This Associate Members Cup has always had small attendances in the early rounds until the real prospect of Wembley is there ...Bristol City, Shrewsbury & Notts County. Do you remember those exciting Area Finals ? I'd hazard a guess crowds were still higher than they are now. Certainly don't remember stands being closed for those games, as they are these days. |
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Post by Rex on Nov 2, 2017 12:26:43 GMT
If they downgraded the tournament I think Rovers would get better attendances. That must surely be one of the most bizarre statements I have ever read on this forum. Downgrade to what may I ask? This Associate Members Cup has always had small attendances in the early rounds until the real prospect of Wembley is there ...Bristol City, Shrewsbury & Notts County. Do you remember those exciting Area Finals ? You're a stats man Mike, I will bet any money you like that if you take the average Rovers home attendance of the competition before the entry of Premier League B teams and compare it to the current situation, attendances were higher in previous formats. If the competition was downgraded in that Rovers could play an under 21 side , I think that with a bit of promotion on the clubs part, competitive pricing etc, you would see at least comparable attendances than with what we are seeing now. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 2, 2017 12:42:22 GMT
That must surely be one of the most bizarre statements I have ever read on this forum. Downgrade to what may I ask? This Associate Members Cup has always had small attendances in the early rounds until the real prospect of Wembley is there ...Bristol City, Shrewsbury & Notts County. Do you remember those exciting Area Finals ? You're a stats man Mike, I will bet any money you like that if you take the average Rovers home attendance of the competition before the entry of Premier League B teams and compare it to the current situation, attendances were higher in previous formats. If the competition was downgraded in that Rovers could play an under 21 side , I think that with a bit of promotion on the clubs part, competitive pricing etc, you would see at least comparable attendances than with what we are seeing now. competitive pricing we had on Tuesday £5 and £1 to watch West Ham's young prem stars of the future and hopefully our stars ...we put out six under 21s ourselves Russe, Bola, Dunnwald, Burn, Sweeney, Broom and Telford with five others all U21 who were Alexis, Kilgour, Kavanagh, Kelly & Menayese on the bench |
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 2, 2017 13:12:38 GMT
You're a stats man Mike, I will bet any money you like that if you take the average Rovers home attendance of the competition before the entry of Premier League B teams and compare it to the current situation, attendances were higher in previous formats. If the competition was downgraded in that Rovers could play an under 21 side , I think that with a bit of promotion on the clubs part, competitive pricing etc, you would see at least comparable attendances than with what we are seeing now. competitive pricing we had on Tuesday £5 and £1 to watch West Ham's young prem stars of the future and hopefully our stars ...we put out six under 21s ourselves Russe, Bola, Dunnwald, Burn, Sweeney, Broom and Telford with five others all U21 who were Alexis, Kilgour, Kavanagh, Kelly & Menayese on the bench That may as well be what we did, but that is not what the competition is supposed to be about for us is it. This used to be a serious competition (all be it one that was often taken lightly in earlier rounds) for clubs such as ours. Now it has been butchered with the addition of higher division youth teams and skewed rules and a bulls**t pretence of helping English youngsters.
Just make it an U23 competition for all, but of course that won't fit in with the narrative/idea about giving the Prem teams youngsters games against 'real' men
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 14:04:23 GMT
He's gone mental again.
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 2, 2017 18:03:18 GMT
So we going to have all this again in new thread for every game?
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Post by Rex on Nov 2, 2017 18:28:06 GMT
competitive pricing we had on Tuesday £5 and £1 to watch West Ham's young prem stars of the future and hopefully our stars ...we put out six under 21s ourselves Russe, Bola, Dunnwald, Burn, Sweeney, Broom and Telford with five others all U21 who were Alexis, Kilgour, Kavanagh, Kelly & Menayese on the bench That may as well be what we did, but that is not what the competition is supposed to be about for us is it. This used to be a serious competition (all be it one that was often taken lightly in earlier rounds) for clubs such as ours. Now it has been butchered with the addition of higher division youth teams and skewed rules and a bulls*** pretence of helping English youngsters.
Just make it an U23 competition for all, but of course that won't fit in with the narrative/idea about giving the Prem teams youngsters games against 'real' men
You seem to have missed the point. Yes I know we had cheap prices on Tuesday, what I was saying in my original post (The one you thought was the most bizarre you hade ever seen) was that if we made it a genuine youth tournament we might see some decent crowds. Just out of interest, do you believe the line trotted out by the league about allowing B teams in helps English football? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 18:32:09 GMT
So we going to have all this again in new thread for every game? Maybe someone can pop along to our training ground and take a picture of the workforce busily constructing the state of the art facility, that'll give us something new to discuss. Or Hamer can really recreate that 1980's feel that he's after by offering the players a Morris Marina 1.3L each if they make the play offs? Then we discuss whether the 1.3 HL was better than the basic 1.5 model, or whether they were both in fact truly dreadful. |
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