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Post by bluetornados on Jul 9, 2014 16:21:51 GMT
Latest:..1st Test...India 230-4...78 overs...Vijay 110 no.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 10, 2014 16:57:36 GMT
Latest:..1st Test...India 457 all out...Vijay 146.
England 28-1.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 16, 2014 16:11:03 GMT
England v India 2014 Test series First Test 9-13 July Trent Bridge Drawn Second Test 17-21 July Lord's - Third Test 27-31 July Southampton - Fourth Test 7-11 August Old Trafford - Fifth Test 15-19 August The Oval -
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Post by irishrover on Jul 17, 2014 9:41:32 GMT
Well I think the 1st Test was ruined by an uncompetitive wicket and some pretty defensive, unimaginative cricket from both sides. There's no getting away from the fact that despite the staggering talent they've had over the years India normally take a very dull, safety first approach to cricket. I seem to remember Gavaskar saying something along the lines that fear of losing is deeply embedded in Indian Cricket. England are also normally pretty dull and particularly at the moment when this team is still trying to find its feet. Contrived for a dull test really. 10th Wicket partnerships are fun but the fact there was 2 over 100 says something was very wrong really. Jimmy Anderson won man of the match for his batting says everything really. I normally go to Trent Bridge but I'm glad I didn't this year.
Lords is apparently looking a bit Greener and maybe he aftermath of the Anderson-Jadeja incident might inject some much sparks into this series. Something needs to happen to get these guys going - they all looked asleep in the first test.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 19, 2014 17:46:52 GMT
2nd Test Lords
1st Innings India 295 all out England 319 all out
2nd Innings India 169-4...lead by 145
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Post by tbonegas on Jul 21, 2014 13:05:29 GMT
Bring back K.P.
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Jul 21, 2014 14:27:46 GMT
Disgraceful cricket, looks like the dark days pre ashes 2005 are starting to return. Piss poor coach, clueless captain and team lacking any bowler and batsmen with flair and aggression.
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Post by tbonegas on Jul 21, 2014 14:35:53 GMT
Once again an easily achievable target has proven to be beyond our players.Some of the dismissals were schoolboy stuff.Why try to hit the ball out of the ground when you have more than 4 sessions to make a little over 300 runs?.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 21, 2014 16:41:01 GMT
Once again an easily achievable target has proven to be beyond our players.Some of the dismissals were schoolboy stuff.Why try to hit the ball out of the ground when you have more than 4 sessions to make a little over 300 runs?. Totally agree, the target was there for the taking, we just had to nick a few runs here and there every over and not the big boundaries that our mindless batters went for after lunch. I also agree that it would be worth a go bringing KP back, he must be laughing his head off as it was our capt that had a big say in him going. A few changes need to be made before the 3rd test on sunday at southampton.
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Post by tbonegas on Jul 21, 2014 17:37:50 GMT
Once again an easily achievable target has proven to be beyond our players.Some of the dismissals were schoolboy stuff.Why try to hit the ball out of the ground when you have more than 4 sessions to make a little over 300 runs?. Totally agree, the target was there for the taking, we just had to nick a few runs here and there every over and not the big boundaries that our mindless batters went for after lunch. I also agree that it would be worth a go bringing KP back, he must be laughing his head off as it was our capt that had a big say in him going. A few changes need to be made before the 3rd test on sunday at southampton. Prior,Stokes and Root should be kicked up the backside for the way in which they got out.We have to find a match winning bowler to replace the bottler Swann,and a number 3 batter to replace the bottler Trott,otherwise we will continue to struggle. We once again made a run of the mill bowler look like a world beater.Ishant Sharma hardly bowled a decent delivery to get those wickets.
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Post by irishrover on Jul 21, 2014 20:56:43 GMT
Well that last session was certainly embarrassing. In general this was an excellent test match that swung one way and then the other with neither team quite supplying the knockout blow - which suits 2 very evenly matched but quite flawed sides. Just when it seemed one team was getting on top the other one pulled or more often the team on top let it slip. I enjoyed it as a contest. But England subsiding at the end left a nasty taste in the mouth - that was very, very poor and showed a total lack of discipline.
However, I think a lot of people are wanting a team back that has gone. The problem all summer has been that this new England team, while playing well in patches, has lot the key sessions and the key moments and doesn't seem to have found out it's best strategy for winning game yet. The previous England team was built around Swann, Anderson, Broad, Cook, Trott and Pieterson all of whom offered something different in different situations and could produce match winning performances. Of that lot Pieterson was clearly an epic pain in the bum who I always thought was slightly overrated because of his ability to get people to their feet with breathtaking shots. As a match winner he was hit and miss really. A very good player but the auror of Pieterson and the PR of Pieterson was always a step ahead of the reality of Pieterson which was far more inconsistent. He was pretty damn average in the Ashes series and looked to me like a guy who's eye has gone. His whole game is based on that lightning quick hand eye co-ordination; that's not the kind of technique you can teach or adjust it's just something you have. He just wasn't catching up to the ball like he has been in the past and he hasn't done very much since either. He's not the answer anyway - the team has moved on and needs to welcome a new generation now.
We can forget finding a replacement for Swann too - in the history of English Cricket he was a near total one off. We don't produce match winning spinner really. Even Laker (he of 19 wickets at Old Trafford fame) wasn't really that type of bowler and was above by the standards of his day rather than a superstar. Underwood could be a match winner on the right track but his great talent was tying an end down and that is what English cricket produces - negative, boring spinners who keep you in the game. No one saw Swann coming so it's hard to know how you get another one. 18 months before he was picked for England he'd been dropped by Notts for not taking enough wickets and he'd always been an up and down county performer who had a reputation as an underachiever. Suddenly he's picked for England (slightly desperately because we needed a second spinner and there was no obvious candidate and he could bat and the others couldn't) and withing 6 months he's one of the best in the World and the type of player we've been after since Test Cricket began. I don't know how you replicate that and I think we'd be foolish to sit around expecting another Swann. So therefore we need to find another way to win.
I think it's becoming pretty obvious that Swann made Anderson and Broad more of a threat because of the extra pressure and also the greater workload he took off them. Broad is apparently carrying an injury - we should rest him and pick Jordan who was unlucky to be dropped. I don't know if Cook's the right man to Captain the side but then we take the Captaincy far too seriously in this country anyway - most countries pick the team and then pick the Captain unless they have an absolute standout candidate like Dhoni is or Graene Smith. Cook needs to go back to County cricket and get some runs because England need the reliable match winning opener not the confidence vacuum captain. Anyone could captain in the meantime - give it to Anderson or something.
Having said all that this is not a return to the dark days because the new players are in general the ones showing promising signs. Ali needs to push on more regularly but is an exciting player who seems to have a good attitude. For all Root gave it away today it's hard to criticise him too much based on performances this summer. Ballance has been very consistent. Plunkett's come back has been a good story. There's plenty of positive things out there - there's plenty of talent out there. The problem is we've played two tight series against two sides we're evenly matches against and we've competed pretty well but we've never managed to put them away at any point and they have won the key situations when it really matters. India are a good team but I still think we can win this series - I think when we start winning it won't take much for it to turn around but right now it seems we're losing our heads when it really matters.
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Post by jackthegas on Jul 21, 2014 21:24:22 GMT
England just keep losing the key sessions. In my opinion they lack leadership especially as the senior players in the dressing room have failed to deliver.
Irish, I agree regarding Swann but the concern at the moment is over a lack of a defensive spinner rather than an attacking one. Even players like Croft, Giles and Such were better than the options we have at the moment. We have some good young spinners but I think picking any of them at the moment would be detrimental to their development,
Australia turned it around by adding the right characters to their talented squad. I think we should try and do the same. Either Read or Foster should play instead of Prior and if we need a spinner Batty should play. Neither are world beaters but they are leaders and that would help cook I think. If the wicket at the rose bowl is green we should stick with Moeen (I would keep him in the side even if it's a turner, I'd leave out one if the seamers if we need a front line spinner).
Broad should go and get iis knee sorted. Jordan should come back in to the side.
Finally, I'd leave out Robson. The balance of the side is wrong at the moment. We need an aggressive opener to complement Cook. Adam Lyth is in great form. Harsh on Robson who I think is a decent player but the balance of the side is important.
Cook gets a stay of execution as captain for now. If things haven't picked up by the end of the summer then I think I'd try Bell. He has done ok when he's captained his county and hasn't got any form to lose.
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Post by irishrover on Jul 21, 2014 21:54:22 GMT
England just keep losing the key sessions. In my opinion they lack leadership especially as the senior players in the dressing room have failed to deliver. Irish, I agree regarding Swann but the concern at the moment is over a lack of a defensive spinner rather than an attacking one. Even players like Croft, Giles and Such were better than the options we have at the moment. We have some good young spinners but I think picking any of them at the moment would be detrimental to their development, Australia turned it around by adding the right characters to their talented squad. I think we should try and do the same. Either Read or Foster should play instead of Prior and if we need a spinner Batty should play. Neither are world beaters but they are leaders and that would help cook I think. If the wicket at the rose bowl is green we should stick with Moeen (I would keep him in the side even if it's a turner, I'd leave out one if the seamers if we need a front line spinner). Broad should go and get iis knee sorted. Jordan should come back in to the side. Finally, I'd leave out Robson. The balance of the side is wrong at the moment. We need an aggressive opener to complement Cook. Adam Lyth is in great form. Harsh on Robson who I think is a decent player but the balance of the side is important. Cook gets a stay of execution as captain for now. If things haven't picked up by the end of the summer then I think I'd try Bell. He has done ok when he's captained his county and hasn't got any form to lose. Oh god no - please not Bell as Captain think of the press conferences! I think he may possibly be the most boring man in the World! Other than that maybe you could go down that route. I think you're right that there's a leadership vacuum and it probably is because senior players aren't delivering. I felt that the Andy Flower team started believing it's own hype about how good they all were - the truth is they were good but not amazing and they did well when they worked their backsides off and ground teams down. It wasn't pure talent that won game for them and they weren't flawless - they struggled SA and they struggled against Pakistan; arguably both better teams than the 3 Aussie sides that that were beaten. Anderson is a very fine bowler who is probably slightly over the hill now and Broad has never quite been the consistent match winner you'd like him to be. Swann was the real superstar and we miss him clearly. There is no spinner out there I agree. Ali actually did a decent job at Lords having changed his line of attack - I'd stick with him and give Root a few more overs; I don't really understand why we're so reluctant bowl him, he always does OK. Carberry for Robson might possibly be the one given that the game is at the Rose Bowl - would go down well with the natives. I don't think Lyth is really an attacking opener is he? Only really Hales fits that bill that I can think of. Lyth seems to be one of these players who goes from feast to famine and back again. Good player though - not the worst option. My worry with Robson is how often he's been out to over-aggressive shots because he's not that sort of player; suggest too many nerves really. I'd probably stick with him though I suppose. It is a problem when the openers keep failing though especially against fairly average bowlers. Although to be fair Kumar's bowled better English swing than any English bowler this summer - he's doing what Anderson should be really. Sharma has led the line and tested us with short stuff which has found us wanting. I certainly want Jordan back in the side. Not sure I'm too bothered with Stokes right now - again looks like someone who's head isn't quite right. Cook will probably stay as Captain - for no other reason than it's sign of chaos and desperation to sack a captain halfway through a series and we are only 1 down. He needs England and his form to turn around sharply though. Can't see them bringing Read or Foster in - if Prior goes (and I think he should - apart from anything else his keeping's been poor) then I'm sure they'll go with Buttler this time, he's in reasonable form right now too. I really enjoyed this Test Match though for the most part - out of 4 Tests this summer 2 have been excellent, a third had thrilling finish and it was only Trent Bridge that was a stinker. So something is being done right.
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Post by jackthegas on Jul 21, 2014 22:35:59 GMT
Bell and cook are much of a muchness aren't they? Both pretty dull personalities. Synonymous of the age we live in I guess.
I'm well aware that neither Read nor Foster will get a look in. Buttler has been in the squad after all. I just don't think the England side needs another youngster in it at the moment. I'm worried they will ruin Buttler and at this stage his batting isn't sufficiently better than Read's (who I've always thought is very under rated) to make up for his inferior keeping. Regardless of his age we just need to win a match and I think Read is the best option in the short run.
I think Lyth is pretty aggressive. Not in the modern sense perhaps but certainly more so than his contemporaries. Carberry is another one who just gets stuck. Fine in the second division of the county championship where he gets a regular 4 ball to keep him ticking over but I don't think he has the capability to rotate the strike and keep the scoreboard ticking that way. That's just based on what I've seen of him. Certainly wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong though.
Agreed on Stokes too. Rushed back too quickly and will only keep his place if they send Broad off to have an operation I suspect.
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Post by YateTown on Jul 22, 2014 12:09:57 GMT
People are saying Morgan as Captain, and drop Cook, give him a break, and come back fresh for the West indies tour and then Ashes, I can see the logic in it, he's gone from our best batsmen in the last few years, to worse than Anderson!
Also, the bring back KP brigade clearly know nothing about cricket, the guy's been a joke for at least 2 years for England, and his name alone kept him in the side, if England wanted quick 30's, great...But in test cricket, he's come up short time and again!
Why did Jordan get dropped? I thought he did alright and showed great promise in his last test!
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Post by irishrover on Jul 22, 2014 12:28:20 GMT
Bell and cook are much of a muchness aren't they? Both pretty dull personalities. Synonymous of the age we live in I guess. I'm well aware that neither Read nor Foster will get a look in. Buttler has been in the squad after all. I just don't think the England side needs another youngster in it at the moment. I'm worried they will ruin Buttler and at this stage his batting isn't sufficiently better than Read's (who I've always thought is very under rated) to make up for his inferior keeping. Regardless of his age we just need to win a match and I think Read is the best option in the short run. I think Lyth is pretty aggressive. Not in the modern sense perhaps but certainly more so than his contemporaries. Carberry is another one who just gets stuck. Fine in the second division of the county championship where he gets a regular 4 ball to keep him ticking over but I don't think he has the capability to rotate the strike and keep the scoreboard ticking that way. That's just based on what I've seen of him. Certainly wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong though. Agreed on Stokes too. Rushed back too quickly and will only keep his place if they send Broad off to have an operation I suspect. I defer on Lyth - I've seen him bat live 3 times on early season greentops (only time I get to watch Championship Cricket these days) and he didn't get into double figures in any of those games so I haven't really seen him play. I'd certainly have nothing against him being given a go. I think the difference between Bell and Cook is that Cook has a hinterland. The guy is a farmer, he clearly has a brain on him etc. Bell strikes me as someone who has been hothoused in cricket since he was an under 11 and has no personality or life outside of the game. It's not a criticism it's just that he strikes me as a very limited personality - I don't think he could relate to the press or other aspects of man management very well. Carberry is a funny one - clearly he can bat quickly, his One Day record shows he can smash the ball around but he seems to have 2 modes and can't switch between them. To be fair to him though - I think getting stuck against Mitchell Johnson and Ryan Harris in tip top form on nasty bouncing tracks is forgiveable - at least he battled. I don't think he's getting another chance though. Prior has basicallu just retired I think. 3 years ago I think I'd have agreed with you on Read and Foster - both hard done by (particularly Foster actually - at least Read was given a couple of bites at it). But they're both getting on a bit now - Read particularly, so even if they were open minded (which as you say they're clearly not) I think the moment has probably passed. It's going to be Buttler for better or worse - let's see if he rises to it. I think I'd drop Stokes anyway and give Woakes a go. I agree with pretty much everything YateTown has said there.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 22, 2014 17:01:35 GMT
England squad: Alastair Cook (Essex, capt), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Gary Ballance (Yorkshire), Ian Bell (Warwickshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Chris Jordan (Sussex), Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire), Sam Robson (Middlesex), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire).
Matt Prior stood down from England duty in the aftermath of the second Test defeat at Lord's because of injury. National selector James Whitaker said: "Matt Prior has contributed a huge amount to the England side over the years and should be proud of his record throughout his 79 Tests.
"He has decided to take time out of the game to work on his fitness and we will continue to follow his progress over the coming months. "
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Post by tbonegas on Jul 22, 2014 18:02:50 GMT
England squad: Alastair Cook (Essex, capt), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Gary Ballance (Yorkshire), Ian Bell (Warwickshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Chris Jordan (Sussex), Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire), Sam Robson (Middlesex), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire). Matt Prior stood down from England duty in the aftermath of the second Test defeat at Lord's because of injury. National selector James Whitaker said: "Matt Prior has contributed a huge amount to the England side over the years and should be proud of his record throughout his 79 Tests. "He has decided to take time out of the game to work on his fitness and we will continue to follow his progress over the coming months. " Prior has been added to the growing list of bottlers.Those players that struggle with form and then jack it in.These players are not willing to battle it out and work through the bad times, instead the do the preverbial runner. Strauss,Swann Trott and now Prior.
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Post by GasHeadGaz on Jul 23, 2014 6:55:57 GMT
England squad: Alastair Cook (Essex, capt), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Gary Ballance (Yorkshire), Ian Bell (Warwickshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Chris Jordan (Sussex), Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire), Sam Robson (Middlesex), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire). Matt Prior stood down from England duty in the aftermath of the second Test defeat at Lord's because of injury. National selector James Whitaker said: "Matt Prior has contributed a huge amount to the England side over the years and should be proud of his record throughout his 79 Tests. "He has decided to take time out of the game to work on his fitness and we will continue to follow his progress over the coming months. " Prior has been added to the growing list of bottlers.Those players that struggle with form and then jack it in.These players are not willing to battle it out and work through the bad times, instead the do the preverbial runner. Strauss,Swann Trott and now Prior. Thought exactly the same when I heard he had "stood down" Swann left when we went 3-0 down, now Prior has "stood down" when 1 down with 3 to play. One thing I would say is though, Trott is a different case all together.
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Post by irishrover on Jul 23, 2014 10:48:39 GMT
England squad: Alastair Cook (Essex, capt), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), James Anderson (Lancashire), Gary Ballance (Yorkshire), Ian Bell (Warwickshire), Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Chris Jordan (Sussex), Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire), Sam Robson (Middlesex), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Ben Stokes (Durham), Chris Woakes (Warwickshire). Matt Prior stood down from England duty in the aftermath of the second Test defeat at Lord's because of injury. National selector James Whitaker said: "Matt Prior has contributed a huge amount to the England side over the years and should be proud of his record throughout his 79 Tests. "He has decided to take time out of the game to work on his fitness and we will continue to follow his progress over the coming months. " Prior has been added to the growing list of bottlers.Those players that struggle with form and then jack it in.These players are not willing to battle it out and work through the bad times, instead the do the preverbial runner. Strauss,Swann Trott and now Prior. There's some truth in that - spoonfed players being unable to cope with adversity. But there's also an issue with players being very badly treated by the ECB who burn them out and throw them on the scrapheap. I think we heap uneccesary amounts of pressure on a lot of cricketers. It's not like football where the difference between being a very top player and the next rung down is the difference between being super rich and very rich. In cricket it's the difference between being set up for life and having to worry about how you're going to make ends meet when your career winds down so the stakes are quite high for these guys to start with. When you factor in that cricket is a mentally tough game anyway, their being asked to play more and more high pressure high level cricket in increasingly narrow timeslots then you can understand why it breaks some people. It certainly breaks families - even when they're at home they spend a huge portion of their time away from their families. Cricket has a ludicrous high divorce rate and a scarily high suicide rate among ex-pros. The ECB does not look after it's players very well - they never look like they're having fun, even when they're winning. That's what's really noticeable to me. I actually think Prior just knows that he's lost it - sometimes the eye goes in your early 30's and you just can't do it anymore and I think that's what has happened with him. It's to do with the ways he is getting out (and I don't mean the horrendous pull shot). I think Strauss also knew his time was up. Not sure with Swann - I think the story is still to come out there but I suspect he was a lot more injured than he was letting on. A friend of mine played a benefit game with him a few weeks ago and said he couldn't really bat because he couldn't grip the bat with his bowling arm properly without wincing because it hurt his elbow so much. Trott was broken by the game.
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