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Post by faggotygas on Dec 4, 2015 10:40:32 GMT
Where was Ellis for the first half of last season? Not working hard enough to get into the team.
Ellis came in when our midfield had improved and were supplying more, and where the superior fitness that we had built up in training over the first half of the season was coming to fruition. The only player getting a decent amount of chances when the team was not playing so well, was Taylor. Yes Harrison had a purple patch when the team was playing well, but look what's happened to him now, when chances have become harder to come by. Taylor has carried right on earning those chances to score, and confidence and training means that he's putting them away. Then add in Taylor's assists and key passes.
Look, to use an extreme example, what would you rather have - a player that earns himself 5 chances per game and puts away 2, or a player that earns 2 chances per game and puts away 1?
Strange argument in the 2nd paragraph Ellis only did well because of chances made by the midfield but in the 3Rd paragraph strikers make their own chances. Seems like some people just make it up as they type. All the consistency of a Conference referee Not at all, in fact the whole basis of my argument is that it takes 2 to make a chance. That's which is why when comparing strikers you should compare them over the same periods with the same supply.
If striker A misses more chances than striker B, but scores at virtually the same ratio as striker B with the same supply, then striker A must be getting more chances. Therefore striker A must be doing something that striker B is not in order to get more chances. Net result is the same, and striker A is only a liability if striker B is also a liability, if we are looking purely at goals scored by that player and ignoring goals created by that player for others.
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Post by Bernard Briggs on Dec 4, 2015 11:24:11 GMT
For many he was treated as utterly terrible and barely fit for the Conference - now apparently he's on his way to superstardom! Exactly this. Until a couple of weeks ago, when he had a goalscoring opportunity you could hear the groans before he even shot. He must have wasted literally a hundred decent chances last season. Now he's hit a decent run of form suddenly the people who wouldn't admit last season that he was at times a liability, are all crowing that they were right all along. The truth is that he's a good technical footballer with a poor record of converting chances, and that's why (apart from a handful of sub appearances for Oxford) his career has been outside of the League until now. If he can maintain his finishing form of the last few weeks then he'll play at a higher level, and good luck to him, I hope he does. Some fans on here WERE right all along. They could see that Taylor had the potential to be playing like he has recently; it`s absolutely no surprise to me that he`s performing the way he is. Whereas, from the opinions that they`ve expressed about Taylor in the past, an awful lot of people on here must be as surprised as when they first found out where babies come from. And if his goalscoring tails off again, I suggest that people watch him closely and take heed of the other things that he brings to the party. Things that he`s spent the last twelve months doing.
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faggotygas
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 4, 2015 13:32:51 GMT
Exactly this. Until a couple of weeks ago, when he had a goalscoring opportunity you could hear the groans before he even shot. He must have wasted literally a hundred decent chances last season. Now he's hit a decent run of form suddenly the people who wouldn't admit last season that he was at times a liability, are all crowing that they were right all along. The truth is that he's a good technical footballer with a poor record of converting chances, and that's why (apart from a handful of sub appearances for Oxford) his career has been outside of the League until now. If he can maintain his finishing form of the last few weeks then he'll play at a higher level, and good luck to him, I hope he does. Some fans on here WERE right all along. They could see that Taylor had the potential to be playing like he has recently; it`s absolutely no surprise to me that he`s performing the way he is. Whereas, from the opinions that they`ve expressed about Taylor in the past, an awful lot of people on here must be as surprised as when they first found out where babies come from. And if his goalscoring tails off again, I suggest that people watch him closely and take heed of the other things that he brings to the party. Things that he`s spent the last twelve months doing.
I LOVE the fact that one or two on here, who have spent the last 12 months completely writing Taylor off, are now say 'we all saw his potential'. My god, if that's how they talk about someone with potential, I hope they never get involved with football at any level.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 4, 2015 14:39:07 GMT
I don't mind going out on a limb & saying that I don't think Easter was or ever will be right for the club or team. I don't know much about his previous career but what I see is a genuinely lazy player that is capable of some fancy tricks and it's the little tricks that sometimes look good. In my opinion and from watching him, I see a player who will not stretch himself and just lacks any real enthusiasm or bite. I would, of course, absolutely love to be proved wrong. I know I am no expert but I was never in the group who felt he was a good prospect and I certainly never believed what many said when they said he " would score for fun in this league" i feel pretty bad that he is one of only 2 players that actually are contracted after the seasons end. I would much rather Jamie Lucas get the experience under his belt. No, I really don't think Easter has the potential to do well. I believe he is getting a final payoff from football, while being close to his friends and family. I will be very happy to apologise if he proves me wrong. I don`t think he`s lazy; if you keep an eye on him during the game, he puts in plenty of runs. It`s just that they hardly ever amount to anything. And whereas Taylor can control a long ball, make space for himself and then pick out a pass, Easter can do none of those things. When the ball is played up to him, a defender takes it off of him with the minimum of effort, and we`re back under pressure. He reminds me of Joe Kuffour, once Rickie had left, in that respect. Everything else you say about him, I agree with. And I hope he proves me wrong, too. That is a good example in using Jo Kuffour. That was another player who could look spectacular, in very short spells and he scored a few of the best goals I have seen, at the mem. Nice one, I totally agree with your summation. I still can't help but see him as a lazy player as he very rarely tracks back. I do see where you are coming from with his runs but maybe this level of football doesn't suit that style, lord knows in anycase. I would really like to think he will want to go out of the game on a high and I do notice that he is very verbal when he is paired with Harrison. He seems to get pretty frustrated with Harrison but that is all subjective and just my opinion. Right now, I woukd genuinely like to see Jamie Lucas get a run in the team but it seems that DC is either unwilling to do this or is holding him back, to use if we have injuries ? Maybe we will see a repeat of last season, where DC was able to go out and get Linesy ? I would imagine that will only happen if we are in a position where we are in a position to push on. There is still a lot of football to be played and I would imagine we will use many of the players that have not yet featured in many games.
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Post by alloutofgas on Dec 4, 2015 15:25:48 GMT
I don`t think he`s lazy; if you keep an eye on him during the game, he puts in plenty of runs. It`s just that they hardly ever amount to anything. And whereas Taylor can control a long ball, make space for himself and then pick out a pass, Easter can do none of those things. When the ball is played up to him, a defender takes it off of him with the minimum of effort, and we`re back under pressure. He reminds me of Joe Kuffour, once Rickie had left, in that respect. Everything else you say about him, I agree with. And I hope he proves me wrong, too. That is a good example in using Jo Kuffour. That was another player who could look spectacular, in very short spells and he scored a few of the best goals I have seen, at the mem. Nice one, I totally agree with your summation. I still can't help but see him as a lazy player as he very rarely tracks back. I do see where you are coming from with his runs but maybe this level of football doesn't suit that style, lord knows in anycase. I would really like to think he will want to go out of the game on a high and I do notice that he is very verbal when he is paired with Harrison. He seems to get pretty frustrated with Harrison but that is all subjective and just my opinion. Right now, I woukd genuinely like to see Jamie Lucas get a run in the team but it seems that DC is either unwilling to do this or is holding him back, to use if we have injuries ? Maybe we will see a repeat of last season, where DC was able to go out and get Linesy ? I would imagine that will only happen if we are in a position where we are in a position to push on. There is still a lot of football to be played and I would imagine we will use many of the players that have not yet featured in many games. Hi KP. Are you referring to Matty Taylor when you say 'lazy'? If you are I have to strongly disagree mate. I don't think he has ever been lazy. He works the front line really hard, pulling defenders all over the place, running the channels, great ability in the air. The third goal against WW showed how strong he is too. The technique he used to control a high ball between two big defenders, hold them off and then performing a really tight turn and finish was truly brilliant. To top it all he has a lovely attitude too. Very modest and always smiling. I just hope we can keep him until the end of the season.
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Post by Bernard Briggs on Dec 5, 2015 12:39:22 GMT
That is a good example in using Jo Kuffour. That was another player who could look spectacular, in very short spells and he scored a few of the best goals I have seen, at the mem. Nice one, I totally agree with your summation. I still can't help but see him as a lazy player as he very rarely tracks back. I do see where you are coming from with his runs but maybe this level of football doesn't suit that style, lord knows in anycase. I would really like to think he will want to go out of the game on a high and I do notice that he is very verbal when he is paired with Harrison. He seems to get pretty frustrated with Harrison but that is all subjective and just my opinion. Right now, I woukd genuinely like to see Jamie Lucas get a run in the team but it seems that DC is either unwilling to do this or is holding him back, to use if we have injuries ? Maybe we will see a repeat of last season, where DC was able to go out and get Linesy ? I would imagine that will only happen if we are in a position where we are in a position to push on. There is still a lot of football to be played and I would imagine we will use many of the players that have not yet featured in many games. Hi KP. Are you referring to Matty Taylor when you say 'lazy'? If you are I have to strongly disagree mate. I don't think he has ever been lazy. He works the front line really hard, pulling defenders all over the place, running the channels, great ability in the air. The third goal against WW showed how strong he is too. The technique he used to control a high ball between two big defenders, hold them off and then performing a really tight turn and finish was truly brilliant. His goal away to Forest Green in the play offs, was even better.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 6, 2015 23:07:58 GMT
That is a good example in using Jo Kuffour. That was another player who could look spectacular, in very short spells and he scored a few of the best goals I have seen, at the mem. Nice one, I totally agree with your summation. I still can't help but see him as a lazy player as he very rarely tracks back. I do see where you are coming from with his runs but maybe this level of football doesn't suit that style, lord knows in anycase. I would really like to think he will want to go out of the game on a high and I do notice that he is very verbal when he is paired with Harrison. He seems to get pretty frustrated with Harrison but that is all subjective and just my opinion. Right now, I woukd genuinely like to see Jamie Lucas get a run in the team but it seems that DC is either unwilling to do this or is holding him back, to use if we have injuries ? Maybe we will see a repeat of last season, where DC was able to go out and get Linesy ? I would imagine that will only happen if we are in a position where we are in a position to push on. There is still a lot of football to be played and I would imagine we will use many of the players that have not yet featured in many games. Not at all. I was referring to Easter Hi KP. Are you referring to Matty Taylor when you say 'lazy'? If you are I have to strongly disagree mate. I don't think he has ever been lazy. He works the front line really hard, pulling defenders all over the place, running the channels, great ability in the air. The third goal against WW showed how strong he is too. The technique he used to control a high ball between two big defenders, hold them off and then performing a really tight turn and finish was truly brilliant. To top it all he has a lovely attitude too. Very modest and always smiling. I just hope we can keep him until the end of the season.
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Post by alloutofgas on Dec 6, 2015 23:35:44 GMT
Ah, that's good! ="@kingswoodpolsource="/post/105528/thread" timestamp="1449443278"] Not at all. I was referring to Easter Hi KP. Are you referring to Matty Taylor when you say 'lazy'? If you are I have to strongly disagree mate. I don't think he has ever been lazy. He works the front line really hard, pulling defenders all over the place, running the channels, great ability in the air. The third goal against WW showed how strong he is too. The technique he used to control a high ball between two big defenders, hold them off and then performing a really tight turn and finish was truly brilliant. To top it all he has a lovely attitude too. Very modest and always smiling. I just hope we can keep him until the end of the season. [/quote]
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Post by PessimistGas on Dec 9, 2015 0:32:33 GMT
Some fans on here WERE right all along. They could see that Taylor had the potential to be playing like he has recently; it`s absolutely no surprise to me that he`s performing the way he is. Whereas, from the opinions that they`ve expressed about Taylor in the past, an awful lot of people on here must be as surprised as when they first found out where babies come from. And if his goalscoring tails off again, I suggest that people watch him closely and take heed of the other things that he brings to the party. Things that he`s spent the last twelve months doing.
I LOVE the fact that one or two on here, who have spent the last 12 months completely writing Taylor off, are now say 'we all saw his potential'. My god, if that's how they talk about someone with potential, I hope they never get involved with football at any level.
I thought he'd be out of his depth in League football - he's proved me wrong and I have no problem with admitting that, he's proving himself as a more than decent League 2 striker. A lot of this hype after a good run of form is a bit over the top. He does miss too many easy chances but he's busy and gives the opposition something to think about. I do think he's playing above himself a bit at the moment, I can't see him making an impact at a much higher level but I could see a League 1 club coming in for him. Sustaining this form over an extended period is going to be very difficult but if he does we are in with a shout this season. Certainly worth retaining. By all accounts him and Sinclair are on a pittance, so if Clarke rates him very highly, which he clearly does, why is he letting his contract run down?
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Post by brizzle on Dec 9, 2015 15:08:34 GMT
I LOVE the fact that one or two on here, who have spent the last 12 months completely writing Taylor off, are now say 'we all saw his potential'. My god, if that's how they talk about someone with potential, I hope they never get involved with football at any level.
I thought he'd be out of his depth in League football - he's proved me wrong and I have no problem with admitting that, he's proving himself as a more than decent League 2 striker. A lot of this hype after a good run of form is a bit over the top. He does miss too many easy chances but he's busy and gives the opposition something to think about. I do think he's playing above himself a bit at the moment, I can't see him making an impact at a much higher level but I could see a League 1 club coming in for him. Sustaining this form over an extended period is going to be very difficult but if he does we are in with a shout this season. Certainly worth retaining. By all accounts him and Sinclair are on a pittance, so if Clarke rates him very highly, which he clearly does, why is he letting his contract run down? A well-balanced post, that is.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 9, 2015 16:09:06 GMT
I LOVE the fact that one or two on here, who have spent the last 12 months completely writing Taylor off, are now say 'we all saw his potential'. My god, if that's how they talk about someone with potential, I hope they never get involved with football at any level.
I thought he'd be out of his depth in League football - he's proved me wrong and I have no problem with admitting that, he's proving himself as a more than decent League 2 striker. A lot of this hype after a good run of form is a bit over the top. He does miss too many easy chances but he's busy and gives the opposition something to think about. I do think he's playing above himself a bit at the moment, I can't see him making an impact at a much higher level but I could see a League 1 club coming in for him. Sustaining this form over an extended period is going to be very difficult but if he does we are in with a shout this season. Certainly worth retaining. By all accounts him and Sinclair are on a pittance, so if Clarke rates him very highly, which he clearly does, why is he letting his contract run down?I think both of them are on good performance bonus payments
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Post by interceptor on Dec 13, 2015 9:49:11 GMT
Just like to update with another sorry, a couple more thank you's and a please don't go.
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Post by The Concept on Dec 13, 2015 10:42:15 GMT
Yeah, but what about the terrible finishing in the first half?
Clean through, facing the Blackthorn End, into the penalty area, 40 yards ahead of the nearest defender, goalmouth gaping, goalkeeper rooted to the spot, and he still contrived to put it wide of the post ... that after the referee had effectively laid it on a plate, kindly dropping the ball at his feet.
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Post by Rex on Dec 13, 2015 11:07:54 GMT
Yeah, but what about the terrible finishing in the first half? Clean through, facing the Blackthorn End, into the penalty area, 40 yards ahead of the nearest defender, goalmouth gaping, goalkeeper rooted to the spot, and he still contrived to put it wide of the post ... that after the referee had effectively laid it on a plate, kindly dropping the ball at his feet. Yeah you're right, DC should drop him
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Post by Bridgeman on Dec 13, 2015 11:48:23 GMT
Yeah, but what about the terrible finishing in the first half? Clean through, facing the Blackthorn End, into the penalty area, 40 yards ahead of the nearest defender, goalmouth gaping, goalkeeper rooted to the spot, and he still contrived to put it wide of the post ... that after the referee had effectively laid it on a plate, kindly dropping the ball at his feet. As Jimmy Greaves was reputed to have once said " It's a funny old game is football ! "
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Post by brizzle on Dec 13, 2015 14:36:27 GMT
Yeah, but what about the terrible finishing in the first half? Clean through, facing the Blackthorn End, into the penalty area, 40 yards ahead of the nearest defender, goalmouth gaping, goalkeeper rooted to the spot, and he still contrived to put it wide of the post ... that after the referee had effectively laid it on a plate, kindly dropping the ball at his feet. As Jimmy Greaves was reputed to have once said " It's a funny old game is football ! " He says it here inside the first minute, I think that it turned into a bit of a catchphrase for him. But the rest of the video is good too, if you like that kind of thing that is.
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Post by The Concept on Dec 13, 2015 22:31:19 GMT
Yeah, but what about the terrible finishing in the first half? Clean through, facing the Blackthorn End, into the penalty area, 40 yards ahead of the nearest defender, goalmouth gaping, goalkeeper rooted to the spot, and he still contrived to put it wide of the post ... that after the referee had effectively laid it on a plate, kindly dropping the ball at his feet. Yeah you're right, DC should drop him When the referee did the drop-ball, and the crowd were shouting "Shooooot!", I was thinking what if he miskicks it, or the ball hits a divot, or spins, and it goes in. We would have had to let them walk a goal to even it out. It didn't look that far wide!
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Post by Alveston Gas on Dec 13, 2015 22:42:21 GMT
We haven't played against a better striker than Matty this season!
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