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Post by faggotygas on Dec 3, 2015 9:01:57 GMT
One things for sure unfortunately; scouts will be taking a lot of notice of him now. I've seen a lot of videos of that first goal pop up on twitter from non-Rovers sources. Rumour mill says Reading have been scouting him
I get the impression that DC believes that all players at this level are ultimately replaceable, and that he won't be subject unreasonable demands from anybody. We may lose players, but he's fairly relaxed about finding replacements. A good, level-headed attitude, I think.
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Post by Finnish Gas on Dec 3, 2015 9:47:09 GMT
What do I get for emailing the club about him when he was at North Leigh? Same as I got for emailing the club about Connor Washington when he was with St. Ives Town!
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Post by irishrover on Dec 3, 2015 13:37:06 GMT
Taylor seems to be one of these players who is incapable of achieving any kind of middle ground.
For many he was treated as utterly terrible and barely fit for the Conference - now apparently he's on his way to superstardom!
I've always thought he is a very interesting player. I really like what he does in and around the box and in the build up; like a kind of English lower league version of a classic South American number 10 (and no one expects them to be regular goalscorers by the way). Confidence does wonders for a player - some of those crisp strikes from Tuesday seem a world away from the snatcched daisy cutters of early last season. Players can improve aspects of their game - that is possible, sometimes people don't seem to recognise. They are training at football all week after all and receiving specialist coaching so it's not completely ridiculous that they might get better! For me Taylor has just been a total bonus for Rovers. I felt he was largely signed because we were desperate to add to our squad, had little money to throw at it and he was a striker who was available and had a reasonable record at the level we were playing at. I was expecting him to last about 6 months while we got our act together and then be loaned out. Instead he seems to have grabbed his chance with both hands and become one of our key players - impossible not to like him. The issue has been that we haven't found anyone to score consistently alongside him.
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Post by Alveston Gas on Dec 3, 2015 14:40:28 GMT
One things for sure unfortunately; scouts will be taking a lot of notice of him now. I've seen a lot of videos of that first goal pop up on twitter from non-Rovers sources. Rumour mill says Reading have been scouting him You have to say that his progress in a Rovers shirt has been amazing - let's not forget that less than 2 years ago FGR sent him out on loan to Chester and then allowed him to sign for "in free fall" BRFC. He has missed lots but 34 goals in a season and a third is quite an amazing turn of fortune and a HUGE part of the resurgence of our football club. Well done Matty.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 14:57:27 GMT
For many he was treated as utterly terrible and barely fit for the Conference - now apparently he's on his way to superstardom! Exactly this. Until a couple of weeks ago, when he had a goalscoring opportunity you could hear the groans before he even shot. He must have wasted literally a hundred decent chances last season. Now he's hit a decent run of form suddenly the people who wouldn't admit last season that he was at times a liability, are all crowing that they were right all along. The truth is that he's a good technical footballer with a poor record of converting chances, and that's why (apart from a handful of sub appearances for Oxford) his career has been outside of the League until now. If he can maintain his finishing form of the last few weeks then he'll play at a higher level, and good luck to him, I hope he does.
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Post by brizzle on Dec 3, 2015 14:59:19 GMT
Taylor seems to be one of these players who is incapable of achieving any kind of middle ground. For many he was treated as utterly terrible and barely fit for the Conference - now apparently he's on his way to superstardom! I've always thought he is a very interesting player. I really like what he does in and around the box and in the build up; like a kind of English lower league version of a classic South American number 10 (and no one expects them to be regular goalscorers by the way). Confidence does wonders for a player - some of those crisp strikes from Tuesday seem a world away from the snatcched daisy cutters of early last season. Players can improve aspects of their game - that is possible, sometimes people don't seem to recognise. They are training at football all week after all and receiving specialist coaching so it's not completely ridiculous that they might get better! For me Taylor has just been a total bonus for Rovers. I felt he was largely signed because we were desperate to add to our squad, had little money to throw at it and he was a striker who was available and had a reasonable record at the level we were playing at. I was expecting him to last about 6 months while we got our act together and then be loaned out. Instead he seems to have grabbed his chance with both hands and become one of our key players - impossible not to like him. The issue has been that we haven't found anyone to score consistently alongside him.I'm optimistic that we have by signing Rory Gaffney, albeit initially on loan. But regarding Matty Taylor what always impresses me is how quick he reacts to things which are going on around him (both with his head and his feet), and also his never-say-die attitude. I've never seen him in a sulk, just the opposite in fact. He's proving more and more to be an excellent signing for us, but I often wonder what positive influence Marcus Stewart input has had on him. Hopefully Gaffney will stay with us after January. Initially I thought that the deal was done and dusted (in the same way as Blissett's Lincoln loan), but in the past couple of days Shaun Derry has started talking about when Gaffney returns to Cambridge in January, so it may well not be so . . . or he's started negotiating already. Returning to goalscoring and goalscorers I should like to see Gaffney and Taylor continue upfront for as long as it can be done, but I also believe that there is a role for Jermaine Easter in the team, and that is playing behind the front two. I believe that his size rules him out of contention for what we require at present, but with his wealth of knowledge and experience he would be well-suited to that role, plus of course he could always hopefully put himself into goalscoring positions as well. I believe that Easter is capable of scoring goals, but not from his present starting position.
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 3, 2015 16:39:01 GMT
For many he was treated as utterly terrible and barely fit for the Conference - now apparently he's on his way to superstardom! Exactly this. Until a couple of weeks ago, when he had a goalscoring opportunity you could hear the groans before he even shot. He must have wasted literally a hundred decent chances last season. Now he's hit a decent run of form suddenly the people who wouldn't admit last season that he was at times a liability, are all crowing that they were right all along. The truth is that he's a good technical footballer with a poor record of converting chances, and that's why (apart from a handful of sub appearances for Oxford) his career has been outside of the League until now. If he can maintain his finishing form of the last few weeks then he'll play at a higher level, and good luck to him, I hope he does.
No, he was never, ever a liability. He was the only player getting into position for chances for most of last season, add to that countless assists for others. Who would we have replaced him with from within the squad that would have been guaranteed to have got as many assists, chances, and ultimately goals?
When a player is getting chances, there's usually nothing wrong with him that a bit of time and a bit of confidence won't cure. Its the strikers that aren't getting chances that you have to worry about.
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Post by c13 on Dec 3, 2015 18:06:30 GMT
The reason Taylor is so inconsistently regarded by fans is because he is a reflection of his own inconsistent abilities.
On one hand, Taylor has adequate pace and mobility, a great work rate and understands teamwork, not to mention his aerial ability which is very good for his size. He can also put himself in good positions to receive balls or drop deep and drag defenders with him/link up with midfielders.
On the other hand, he is not a good finisher in the sense that, while he CAN score, he's obviously not a clinical finisher. Think Eliot Richards for example, which I consider to be Taylor's opposite - many called him lazy, lacked teamwork, etc, but boy could that lad finish. Taylor hasn't that gift - which would be fine if his composure on one-on-one situations wasn't so inconsistent. That's why he misses so many chances; his mental game is always somewhat lacking.
That being said, I like him, and I think his mental game will only improve with time and match experience. We have been nurturing his talent considerably and, while now he's still questionable despite the amazing hattrick, I think he can only improve from here and who knows where he'll get to? Hopefully he's our answer upfront with Gaffney or someone that makes up for his current deficiencies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 18:09:21 GMT
When considering gifted finishers, Eliott Richards is not in the list of players that I think of.
Other than that, well said.
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Post by dido on Dec 3, 2015 18:09:36 GMT
He's better liked cos he has (hopefully) stopped diving.
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Post by c13 on Dec 3, 2015 18:19:15 GMT
When considering gifted finishers, Eliott Richards is not in the list of players that I think of. Other than that, well said. I might have miswrote that - he's not a goalscorer, hardly, but you could tell he knew how to finish in theory with the way he placed his shots. But he lacked the actual technique to score, which is why he never could score. It's not like he could even get in a good position to score, anyway. That's where I think he and Taylor are completely opposite - one knows everything but the final touch (Taylor), while other knows the final touch but lacks everything else (Eliot), and I think the first is way easier to "remedy".
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Post by oviedista on Dec 3, 2015 19:36:09 GMT
Exactly this. Until a couple of weeks ago, when he had a goalscoring opportunity you could hear the groans before he even shot. He must have wasted literally a hundred decent chances last season. Now he's hit a decent run of form suddenly the people who wouldn't admit last season that he was at times a liability, are all crowing that they were right all along. The truth is that he's a good technical footballer with a poor record of converting chances, and that's why (apart from a handful of sub appearances for Oxford) his career has been outside of the League until now. If he can maintain his finishing form of the last few weeks then he'll play at a higher level, and good luck to him, I hope he does.
No, he was never, ever a liability. He was the only player getting into position for chances for most of last season, add to that countless assists for others. Who would we have replaced him with from within the squad that would have been guaranteed to have got as many assists, chances, and ultimately goals?
When a player is getting chances, there's usually nothing wrong with him that a bit of time and a bit of confidence won't cure. Its the strikers that aren't getting chances that you have to worry about.
Spot on. Anyone reading posts about his form last season would not have any idea he scored 20 goals. When a player gets no chances in a side playing well that's when you start worrying. Some people now saying if he keeps converting chances he could have great potential are the same that were writing him off as being found out at league level, not to mention needing shipping out, not so long ago.
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Post by interceptor on Dec 3, 2015 20:19:46 GMT
He's better liked cos he has (hopefully) stopped diving. I totally agree, I hope DC has instigated a fine to system for all players who dive but Taylor, Harrison and particularly Easter will be significantly better off he he has! I HATE that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 20:38:37 GMT
He was the only player getting into position for chances for most of last season
Facts are often inconvenient, but I make it that Ellis was scoring 0.43589 goals per game last season (and was spending on average fewer minutes per-game on the pitch), Matty (including being the main penalty taker) 0.4166. So what positions was Ellis scoring from exactly?
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Post by The Concept on Dec 3, 2015 21:19:42 GMT
For many he was treated as utterly terrible and barely fit for the Conference - now apparently he's on his way to superstardom! Exactly this. Until a couple of weeks ago, when he had a goalscoring opportunity you could hear the groans before he even shot. He must have wasted literally a hundred decent chances last season. Now he's hit a decent run of form suddenly the people who wouldn't admit last season that he was at times a liability, are all crowing that they were right all along. The truth is that he's a good technical footballer with a poor record of converting chances, and that's why (apart from a handful of sub appearances for Oxford) his career has been outside of the League until now. If he can maintain his finishing form of the last few weeks then he'll play at a higher level, and good luck to him, I hope he does. In three posts on this thread you've mentioned Matty Taylor last season, when earlier this season you said in this league he was "out of his depth". At the time you come out with that his strike rate was no worse than Harry Kane's, yet no one would say Harry Kane was out of his depth in the Premier League. Most strikers have some lean spells and some prolific spells. I was a fan last year, as I appreciated his all round game, as well as 20 goals in the season.
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 4, 2015 9:01:51 GMT
He was the only player getting into position for chances for most of last season
Facts are often inconvenient, but I make it that Ellis was scoring 0.43589 goals per game last season (and was spending on average fewer minutes per-game on the pitch), Matty (including being the main penalty taker) 0.4166. So what positions was Ellis scoring from exactly? Where was Ellis for the first half of last season? Not working hard enough to get into the team.
Ellis came in when our midfield had improved and were supplying more, and where the superior fitness that we had built up in training over the first half of the season was coming to fruition. The only player getting a decent amount of chances when the team was not playing so well, was Taylor. Yes Harrison had a purple patch when the team was playing well, but look what's happened to him now, when chances have become harder to come by. Taylor has carried right on earning those chances to score, and confidence and training means that he's putting them away. Then add in Taylor's assists and key passes.
Look, to use an extreme example, what would you rather have - a player that earns himself 5 chances per game and puts away 2, or a player that earns 2 chances per game and puts away 1?
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 4, 2015 9:25:19 GMT
He was the only player getting into position for chances for most of last season
Facts are often inconvenient, but I make it that Ellis was scoring 0.43589 goals per game last season (and was spending on average fewer minutes per-game on the pitch), Matty (including being the main penalty taker) 0.4166. So what positions was Ellis scoring from exactly? And if we are looking at stats, lets compare like for like.
In the period up to last Christmas - which was pretty much the turning point for when we started playing consistently well - Taylor scored 6 goals in 26 appearances in the league. All of the strike partners we tried with him in that period - Goldberg, Cunnington, Brunt, Blissett, Wall, White, and Ellis, scored a massive - 6 goals in 26 games. Add in Taylor's assists and team play. How was Taylor a liability over this period?
In the second half of the season, Taylor scored 14 goals in 23 appearances, and average of 0.61 per game. Harrison scored 12 goals in 18 appearances, and average of 0.67 per game. That's so close as makes no odds - roughly a single goal different. Add in Taylor's assists and team play. How was Taylor a liability over this period?
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Dec 4, 2015 9:40:12 GMT
Facts are often inconvenient, but I make it that Ellis was scoring 0.43589 goals per game last season (and was spending on average fewer minutes per-game on the pitch), Matty (including being the main penalty taker) 0.4166. So what positions was Ellis scoring from exactly? Where was Ellis for the first half of last season? Not working hard enough to get into the team.
Ellis came in when our midfield had improved and were supplying more, and where the superior fitness that we had built up in training over the first half of the season was coming to fruition. The only player getting a decent amount of chances when the team was not playing so well, was Taylor. Yes Harrison had a purple patch when the team was playing well, but look what's happened to him now, when chances have become harder to come by. Taylor has carried right on earning those chances to score, and confidence and training means that he's putting them away. Then add in Taylor's assists and key passes.
Look, to use an extreme example, what would you rather have - a player that earns himself 5 chances per game and puts away 2, or a player that earns 2 chances per game and puts away 1?
Strange argument in the 2nd paragraph Ellis only did well because of chances made by the midfield but in the 3Rd paragraph strikers make their own chances. Seems like some people just make it up as they type. All the consistency of a Conference referee
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Post by bemmygas on Dec 4, 2015 10:07:13 GMT
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Post by mrbluesky on Dec 4, 2015 10:14:03 GMT
Exactly this. Until a couple of weeks ago, when he had a goalscoring opportunity you could hear the groans before he even shot. He must have wasted literally a hundred decent chances last season. Now he's hit a decent run of form suddenly the people who wouldn't admit last season that he was at times a liability, are all crowing that they were right all along. The truth is that he's a good technical footballer with a poor record of converting chances, and that's why (apart from a handful of sub appearances for Oxford) his career has been outside of the League until now. If he can maintain his finishing form of the last few weeks then he'll play at a higher level, and good luck to him, I hope he does. In three posts on this thread you've mentioned Matty Taylor last season, when earlier this season you said in this league he was "out of his depth". At the time you come out with that his strike rate was no worse than Harry Kane's, yet no one would say Harry Kane was out of his depth in the Premier League. Most strikers have some lean spells and some prolific spells. I was a fan last year, as I appreciated his all round game, as well as 20 goals in the season. bamber is prone to selective memory loss im afraid
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