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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 28, 2015 13:16:18 GMT
Here's my take; speculation I admit, but wouldn't mind betting it's not far off the mark. - Ellis (and probably other Rovers players) may socialise with some that play for City. - He is probably friendly with players that have also represented Wales (Wes Burns? Born in Cardiff and played for U21s). - Wes Burns was not in the City side that faced Cardiff. - This was a bubble match. There is no way someone who isn't a City fan would bother buying a ticket in advance, then travelling to a service station en route to the ground to pick the ticket up. - Now, how many footballers do you know that would pay to watch this match? The chances are he was offered complimentary tickets by someone like Burns. Being offered a freebie with your mates is something I can understand. - So basically it's all down to whoever had the tickets where they sit in the ground. He couldn't walk up to the away end and pay on the night. - It seems to me that Ellis has been stitched up. I expect he expected to be sitting in the players area, then got to the ground to realise he'd been stitched up and was in with the away lot. That maybe the case but surely there's a unwritten rule in football that you don't go and support your local rivals and, if you do, then you make sure your sat in the stand so you can just appear a neutral observer than a fan of your local rivials? Given the stick EH took about his comments on Twitter following the previous match he knew full well what reaction he'd receive if he was spotted at the game. It really is time he grew up or he could find himself playing non league football again next season. This is precisely what I meant but didn't articulate it very well. On top of that there are a few who, seemingly, really despise him, regardless of whether he scores or how he performs. I have really tried, very hard, to try and fight his corner but he seems very naive or he is maybe looking for a move ? I have heard a few Teds say they believe he will play for them but I treat that as what it is, just gossip & wishful thinking. I read an article about how some prem and championship clubs, have rules within their contracts that have a reasonable use of social media clause. I think it would be a good idea if we had such a clause, if we don't have this already ? He has either been guilty of naivety or he is playing up again, either way it makes it increasingly more difficult to defend him. I read, in this thread, that he has deleted his Twitter account. I wonder if this was on order or by himself ? I know many of us take longer to mature than others but at least we are not under such scrutiny. I hope Ellis doesn't turn out to become one of the nearly men, due to silly acts. I do think he has a bright future but he will need to change his impulsive behaviour to fulfill the potential IMO
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 13:20:53 GMT
Harrison and city could be made for each other,he seems to think that he should be playing for a massive club,they think that they are a massive club.. I don't like Harrisons attitude and I will be glad when he moves on. What do you know about Ellis's attitude? Enough to know that I don't like it.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 28, 2015 13:22:08 GMT
Harrison and city could be made for each other,he seems to think that he should be playing for a massive club,they think that they are a massive club.. I don't like Harrisons attitude and I will be glad when he moves on. We would still be in non league if not for his last minute goals and the all important leveller at Wembley. I think that give some guidance and IF he accepts it then he could turn out to be an asset, one that other clubs would like to have. It really is in his hands now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 13:36:11 GMT
Harrison and city could be made for each other,he seems to think that he should be playing for a massive club,they think that they are a massive club.. I don't like Harrisons attitude and I will be glad when he moves on. We would still be in non league if not for his last minute goals and the all important leveller at Wembley. I think that give some guidance and IF he cents it then he could turn out to be an asset, one that other clubs would like to have. It really is in his hands now. FGR away in play offs,I said 5 minutes before he was sent off that DC should take him off,it was so obvious what would happen,he is like an overgrown toddler. I keep hearing about his 'potential' from so Rovers supporters,has anyone made a bid for him ? these scouts cant know their job very well they will be kicking themselves when he comes good.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 28, 2015 13:47:18 GMT
We would still be in non league if not for his last minute goals and the all important leveller at Wembley. I think that give some guidance and IF he cents it then he could turn out to be an asset, one that other clubs would like to have. It really is in his hands now. FGR away in play offs,I said 5 minutes before he was sent off that DC should take him off,it was so obvious what would happen,he is like an overgrown toddler. I keep hearing about his 'potential' from so Rovers supporters,has anyone made a bid for him ? these scouts cant know their job very well they will be kicking themselves when he comes good.
I agree that he has his demons but I also see a young man with potential. I know it's not in the same sport but I lost out on travelling the world and so much more and because I was immature & i couldn't see what lay ahead of me, potentially. Yes, it would seem that other clubs are aware of his wayward nature but I would like to think that he had some decent role models around him and that these people could help him to act in a manner that more behooves a pro football player. He could very easily end up the guy who tells his story of how he could've been a top player. I just really hope that his true friends will gather around him and give him some guidance. I think that Ellis Harrison has the potential to be a great player IMO but he needs to reign in the silly side, before it goes behind the pale
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Post by strung out on Oct 28, 2015 13:55:51 GMT
I read an article about how some prem and championship clubs, have rules within their contracts that have a reasonable use of social media clause. I think it would be a good idea if we had such a clause, if we don't have this already ? He has either been guilty of naivety or he is playing up again, either way it makes it increasingly more difficult to defend him. I read, in this thread, that he has deleted his Twitter account. I wonder if this was on order or by himself ? He didn't post anything on social media about this until someone took a photo of him at a match without his permission. How is that being guilty of naivety or playing up again? He got given some tickets to a match by friends who play for the clubs involved and went to watch the game with Jake Gosling. The overreaction to this has been stupendous.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Oct 28, 2015 14:02:32 GMT
I read an article about how some prem and championship clubs, have rules within their contracts that have a reasonable use of social media clause. I think it would be a good idea if we had such a clause, if we don't have this already ? He has either been guilty of naivety or he is playing up again, either way it makes it increasingly more difficult to defend him. I read, in this thread, that he has deleted his Twitter account. I wonder if this was on order or by himself ? He didn't post anything on social media about this until someone took a photo of him at a match without his permission. How is that being guilty of naivety or playing up again? He got given some tickets to a match by friends who play for the clubs involved and went to watch the game with Jake Gosling. The overreaction to this has been stupendous. I am not just commenting on this game but his use of social media as a whole. Ok, i will put it another way. If you played for Rovers and were offered a ticket to your deadliest rivals game and knowing you would be in their end, would you go ? That's where I think the naivety comes in. Also Harrison was subject to racial abuse and spat on when we last played them. I have defended him on many occasions but it becomes increasingly difficult when he doesn't seem to help himself. It was pretty obvious that someone would take photos. This is just my opinion. I think it was naive of both of them & I'd love to know what DC's thoughts were about this EDIT. How do you know how and from whom he got the tickets ? I woukd have thought that players could get tickets and in a neutral part of the ground but I don't know, it's just a guess as we seem to comp people to games.
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Post by strung out on Oct 28, 2015 14:24:18 GMT
He didn't post anything on social media about this until someone took a photo of him at a match without his permission. How is that being guilty of naivety or playing up again? He got given some tickets to a match by friends who play for the clubs involved and went to watch the game with Jake Gosling. The overreaction to this has been stupendous. I am not just commenting on this game but his use of social media as a whole. Ok, i will put it another way. If you played for Rovers and were offered a ticket to your deadliest rivals game and knowing you would be in their end, would you go ? That's where I think the naivety comes in. Also Harrison was subject to racial abuse and spat on when we last played them. I have defended him on many occasions but it becomes increasingly difficult when he doesn't seem to help himself. It was pretty obvious that someone would take photos. This is just my opinion. I think it was naive of both of them & I'd love to know what DC's thoughts were about this EDIT. How do you know how and from whom he got the tickets ? I woukd have thought that players could get tickets and in a neutral part of the ground but I don't know, it's just a guess as we seem to comp people to games. If my mate was playing, or if I was getting free tickets, then maybe I would go. He's from South Wales, so I'm sure he was interested in the match. It was a bubble match with tickets going only to season ticket holders and members, to be picked up from a service station before the match. Now unless you're suggesting that Ellis is a Bristol City season ticket holder, then I'm pretty sure that they must have been free/complimentary tickets given to Ellis by someone he knew, possibly without him knowing where the seats were. Why this is anyone's business I've no idea. As has been pointed out by people elsewhere, Atyeo used to go and watch Rovers, but because Twitter and cameraphones didn't exist back then, nobody gave two hoots. I wouldn't be surprised if Marcus Stewart still takes in the odd City match either, but for some reason people have got a problem with Ellis because he's young, talented and has a laugh with it.
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Post by droitwichgas on Oct 28, 2015 14:28:03 GMT
I read an article about how some prem and championship clubs, have rules within their contracts that have a reasonable use of social media clause. I think it would be a good idea if we had such a clause, if we don't have this already ? He has either been guilty of naivety or he is playing up again, either way it makes it increasingly more difficult to defend him. I read, in this thread, that he has deleted his Twitter account. I wonder if this was on order or by himself ? He didn't post anything on social media about this until someone took a photo of him at a match without his permission. How is that being guilty of naivety or playing up again? He got given some tickets to a match by friends who play for the clubs involved and went to watch the game with Jake Gosling. The overreaction to this has been stupendous. But it was just a match it was an away game played by our local rivals and he seems to have been sat in the away end supporting them, all a few days after he was been given stick on twitter for praising the 82'ers players? If it was so straightforward do you think DC would have approved of them attending the match if he'd asked before hand? Would you be happy for them attending if it turned nasty and they got a good kicking for their troubles putting them out of Friday''s game?
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Post by splitter on Oct 28, 2015 14:28:46 GMT
He didn't post anything on social media about this until someone took a photo of him at a match without his permission. How is that being guilty of naivety or playing up again? He got given some tickets to a match by friends who play for the clubs involved and went to watch the game with Jake Gosling. The overreaction to this has been stupendous. I am not just commenting on this game but his use of social media as a whole. Ok, i will put it another way. If you played for Rovers and were offered a ticket to your deadliest rivals game and knowing you would be in their end, would you go ? That's where I think the naivety comes in. Also Harrison was subject to racial abuse and spat on when we last played them. I have defended him on many occasions but it becomes increasingly difficult when he doesn't seem to help himself. It was pretty obvious that someone would take photos. This is just my opinion. I think it was naive of both of them & I'd love to know what DC's thoughts were about this EDIT. How do you know how and from whom he got the tickets ? I woukd have thought that players could get tickets and in a neutral part of the ground but I don't know, it's just a guess as we seem to comp people to games. Where is this "neutral" part of the ground that you speak of? Surely if he was given tickets by the away side, he would be in with the away support. If he was given tickets by the home side he would be in with the home support. I've had comps for Rovers before, I don't remember being put in any neutral section.
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Post by gashead1979 on Oct 28, 2015 14:31:33 GMT
The good news for Ellis and co is that due to our match being on Friday he has a free Saturday to cheer the 82er's on at the gate against Fulham.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 14:39:35 GMT
Some people on here are disagreeing with the mods views....wheres the anchor ?
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Post by Angas on Oct 28, 2015 14:42:47 GMT
Two divisions between us and our rivals these days. Maybe he was sent by DC to see how them down the road are getting on.
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Post by Bridgeman on Oct 28, 2015 15:10:09 GMT
I am not just commenting on this game but his use of social media as a whole. Ok, i will put it another way. If you played for Rovers and were offered a ticket to your deadliest rivals game and knowing you would be in their end, would you go ? That's where I think the naivety comes in. Also Harrison was subject to racial abuse and spat on when we last played them. I have defended him on many occasions but it becomes increasingly difficult when he doesn't seem to help himself. It was pretty obvious that someone would take photos. This is just my opinion. I think it was naive of both of them & I'd love to know what DC's thoughts were about this EDIT. How do you know how and from whom he got the tickets ? I woukd have thought that players could get tickets and in a neutral part of the ground but I don't know, it's just a guess as we seem to comp people to games. If my mate was playing, or if I was getting free tickets, then maybe I would go. He's from South Wales, so I'm sure he was interested in the match.
It was a bubble match with tickets going only to season ticket holders and members, to be picked up from a service station before the match. Now unless you're suggesting that Ellis is a Bristol City season ticket holder, then I'm pretty sure that they must have been free/complimentary tickets given to Ellis by someone he knew, possibly without him knowing where the seats were. Why this is anyone's business I've no idea. As has been pointed out by people elsewhere, Atyeo used to go and watch Rovers, but because Twitter and cameraphones didn't exist back then, nobody gave two hoots. I wouldn't be surprised if Marcus Stewart still takes in the odd City match either, but for some reason people have got a problem with Ellis because he's young, talented and has a laugh with it. That's true but he's from Newport, there's few if any County fans I know of (and I know plenty) would go and support the Bluebirds so if he has a mate/s playing for C*ty he'll be going to watch them play and by association support their team as he sure won't be supporting Cardiff. He's been with us long enough to know the rivalry there is between opposing sets of fans and to know he'll get hammered from one side and indifference from the other, I'll give you one guess which set of fans he'll get the hammering from ? Is it any business of ours what he chooses to do, not really but given his predilection for using the medium of social media, i) he's going to get found out and reported and ii) then experience the consequence.
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 28, 2015 15:11:56 GMT
He didn't post anything on social media about this until someone took a photo of him at a match without his permission. How is that being guilty of naivety or playing up again? He got given some tickets to a match by friends who play for the clubs involved and went to watch the game with Jake Gosling. The overreaction to this has been stupendous. But it was just a match it was an away game played by our local rivals and he seems to have been sat in the away end supporting them, all a few days after he was been given stick on twitter for praising the 82'ers players? If it was so straightforward do you think DC would have approved of them attending the match if he'd asked before hand? Would you be happy for them attending if it turned nasty and they got a good kicking for their troubles putting them out of Friday''s game?
If they behaved themselves and something happened to them it would be the fault of stupid football fans, just like it is stupid football fans given Ellis stick.
it's only precious football fans getting their knickers in a knot, taking it all a bit too seriously
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 15:15:02 GMT
Brilliant thread.
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Post by michaelb on Oct 28, 2015 19:01:35 GMT
I am not just commenting on this game but his use of social media as a whole. Ok, i will put it another way. If you played for Rovers and were offered a ticket to your deadliest rivals game and knowing you would be in their end, would you go ? That's where I think the naivety comes in. Also Harrison was subject to racial abuse and spat on when we last played them. I have defended him on many occasions but it becomes increasingly difficult when he doesn't seem to help himself. It was pretty obvious that someone would take photos. This is just my opinion. I think it was naive of both of them & I'd love to know what DC's thoughts were about this EDIT. How do you know how and from whom he got the tickets ? I woukd have thought that players could get tickets and in a neutral part of the ground but I don't know, it's just a guess as we seem to comp people to games. Where is this "neutral" part of the ground that you speak of? Surely if he was given tickets by the away side, he would be in with the away support. If he was given tickets by the home side he would be in with the home support. I've had comps for Rovers before, I don't remember being put in any neutral section. Actually from my experience ,every time i have been given comps by a player or manager up and down the divisions it has always been in an area with playing staff and their families. I think we have to accept that Ellis is not the sharpest tool in the box ! some fans will see his and lets not forget the other player with him actions as disrespectful, personally I think it was foolish as they IMO put themselves at potential physical risk. There is usually one idiot in the crowd wanting to have a pop and our friends down the road have more than their fair share of idiots !
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Post by mjhgas on Oct 28, 2015 19:08:42 GMT
Where is this "neutral" part of the ground that you speak of? Surely if he was given tickets by the away side, he would be in with the away support. If he was given tickets by the home side he would be in with the home support. I've had comps for Rovers before, I don't remember being put in any neutral section. Actually from my experience ,every time i have been given comps by a player or manager up and down the divisions it has always been in an area with playing staff and their families. I think we have to accept that Ellis is not the sharpest tool in the box ! some fans will see his and lets not forget the other player with him actions as disrespectful, personally I think it was foolish as they IMO put themselves at potential physical risk. There is usually one idiot in the crowd wanting to have a pop and our friends down the road have more than their fair share of idiots ! Ha ha - sat with players at a Glos Cup match at Ashton Gate - Jock (he gave us the comps) sent off, think 20man followed shortly after and then we scored! All the players and us went up! We were soon escorted to the open end! The 82ers made it clear that we weren't welcome!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 19:13:08 GMT
Whenever I've been given comps, its been in a home area. Some grounds its the directors box or nearby, and reasonably comfortable, and some put you right amongst the home fans. I've never been given away end comps, unfortunately.
Although its been a very long time since I've asked for or been offered a comp.
Ellis hasn't done anything wrong here. He fell victim to a (very basic) prank on Twitter, and the reaction has been well over the top.
I'm still waiting to learn more about his attitude from fellow forumers though. Should be fascinating.
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Post by WWGas on Oct 28, 2015 19:50:41 GMT
Roll on end of half term.
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