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Post by badbloodash on Oct 10, 2015 20:19:03 GMT
You need to look at the "Larger" Picture I guess Pantsdown did that but he's around £50m down on his investment so far? But surely Bristol sport are a loss making subsidiary of one of his others companies so whatever he has invested has been off set against profits elsewhere in relative terms I've properly lost a bigger percentage of my total earnings in the last five years on football bets than he's lost on that shower of s**te
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Post by droitwichgas on Oct 10, 2015 20:38:30 GMT
Not sure that's been ever suggested before, seems to me any money lost by Pantsdown on Bristol Sport &/or the 82'ers is his own personal money and nothing to do with Hargreaves Lansdown etc. If the consortium rumours are true then I wonder if Madaric is looking to invest the £40m he got from selling Sheff W at Rovers as I can't imgine there's many investors around with that type of money to invest? www.sacbee.com/sports/mls/article35330247.html
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 10, 2015 22:27:57 GMT
Not an effing chance that Peter Hargreaves would allow Bristol sports losses to be offset against hl
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Post by Thatslife on Oct 11, 2015 7:49:08 GMT
Whilst I know Jon well enough to know he isn't telling us a load of nonsense I'm still struggling to understand why a 'consortium' whoever they might be, with no previous connection with Bristol Rovers want to take an enormous chance and invest £40 million in building a stadium plus more investment in the team for what return ? Why would you do it, there is no guarantee of success or no guarantee of getting your money back. Am I being sceptical about the supposed possibility of this investment, I don't think so. I'm just trying to be a realist and trying to understand the purpose of why a group of people what to make such a huge investment into a club that traditionally have rarely played above level 3 of the football pyramid I think you are maybe under an assumption that BRFC are going to be the main revenue stream for the consortium, that may not be the case.
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Post by badbloodash on Oct 11, 2015 7:57:42 GMT
Not an effing chance that Peter Hargreaves would allow Bristol sports losses to be offset against hl Who mentioned anything about landsdown Hargreaves I would imagine he has a whole host of companies in his own name I don't think for one minute he would pay tax on his money at 40 % plus then use it to finance his little pet
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Post by fanatical on Oct 11, 2015 9:33:44 GMT
Not an effing chance that Peter Hargreaves would allow Bristol sports losses to be offset against hl Who mentioned anything about landsdown Hargreaves I would imagine he has a whole host of companies in his own name I don't think for one minute he would pay tax on his money at 40 % plus then use it to finance his little pet Surely by moving to Guernsey Mr Lansdown pays considerably less to HRMC which he can now spend on his pet project
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Post by fanatical on Oct 11, 2015 9:36:10 GMT
Now that Mr Higgs has admitted that he has been approached by a consortium wishing to purchase Bristol Rovers he could tell us why he has rejected them
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 11, 2015 9:58:16 GMT
I haven't seen mentioned anywhere recently, is that a new development?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 11:32:08 GMT
Now that Mr Higgs has admitted that he has been approached by a consortium wishing to purchase Bristol Rovers he could tell us why he has rejected them Must have missed this, do you have a link to where he has said this? Both the admission and rejection that is.
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 11, 2015 13:48:04 GMT
I guess Pantsdown did that but he's around £50m down on his investment so far? But surely Bristol sport are a loss making subsidiary of one of his others companies so whatever he has invested has been off set against profits elsewhere in relative terms I've properly lost a bigger percentage of my total earnings in the last five years on football bets than he's lost on that shower of s***e Some of you seem to be a bit confused about taxation. You cannot offset more than 100% of your losses against profits elsewhere. You cannot make a loss into a profit by offsetting. If you lose money, you lose money.
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Post by fanatical on Oct 11, 2015 14:35:33 GMT
I haven't seen mentioned anywhere recently, is that a new development? OOps sorry - that's tomorrow!
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Post by brizzle on Oct 11, 2015 14:52:43 GMT
I notice Lord justice gas made up story, to try to undermine the real story, has not been mentioned now. Not a peep, not That id see it mind you but I do see if people quote his stuff . . . and it was all going reasonably well too. Let sleeping dogs lie, if you'll pardon the expression. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by brizzle on Oct 11, 2015 14:56:15 GMT
Now that Mr Higgs has admitted that he has been approached by a consortium wishing to purchase Bristol Rovers he could tell us why he has rejected them ''Because it's not in the interests of BRFC,'' is the standard reply to that question.
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Post by The Gas on Oct 11, 2015 16:36:54 GMT
Now that Mr Higgs has admitted that he has been approached by a consortium wishing to purchase Bristol Rovers he could tell us why he has rejected them Has Toni had a quiet word with him?
No, he is in the Wild West sorting out the mess I left two weeks ago. ![jbfewbuf](//storage.proboards.com/5622478/images/aeG54tLZuO7X4ZrJz3Fr.gif)
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Oct 12, 2015 10:16:12 GMT
That's why I use Solihull as a point of reference. Whilst Hereford were disintigrating, Solihull, Founded 2007, with gates of 400 are making a profit and look like contenders to join the division we were in last year. If you can do that with gates of 400 then L1 with 7000 paying customers should be achieveable. Excellenet points Bamber. Also no one taking money out of Solihull Moors whereas at Rovers Directors earn inflated interest on the loans to Rovers which are loans and not gifts. Nice little earner! out of interest can you confirm specifically what interest is being paid to who. I ask as I know preference shareholders have had their interest payments stopped for at least 2 years now....
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Oct 12, 2015 10:19:02 GMT
Correct. The board are free to sell shares to whoever they want, whenever they want and what ever price they want. I think that there are plenty of unsold shares available to whoever might want to buy a few. Unfortunately that is one of the concerns that Directors buy at one price and for anyone else (including the SC) the price is higher. In some contexts this is known as 'a rip off' It's hardly a rip off when ALL parties know what each other is paying. Its called 'willing buyer willing seller' in the financial markets and is entirely normal......ie as part of a directors remuneration plan I paid far less for my share option shares than non directors could get them on the open market. It's all declared in the report and accounts and transparent.
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Post by Thatslife on Oct 12, 2015 11:19:08 GMT
Unfortunately that is one of the concerns that Directors buy at one price and for anyone else (including the SC) the price is higher. In some contexts this is known as 'a rip off' It's hardly a rip off when ALL parties know what each other is paying. Its called 'willing buyer willing seller' in the financial markets and is entirely normal......ie as part of a directors remuneration plan I paid far less for my share option shares than non directors could get them on the open market. It's all declared in the report and accounts and transparent. Please educate me, can anyone buy shares in BRFC? If so do you know how? Lastly do you know if any are available and for how much? Genuine questions that have always puzzled me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 11:35:41 GMT
It's hardly a rip off when ALL parties know what each other is paying. Its called 'willing buyer willing seller' in the financial markets and is entirely normal......ie as part of a directors remuneration plan I paid far less for my share option shares than non directors could get them on the open market. It's all declared in the report and accounts and transparent. Please educate me, can anyone buy shares in BRFC? If so do you know how? Lastly do you know if any are available and for how much? Genuine questions that have always puzzled me. Of course they can. You have to find somebody who has some to sell, and buy them from them. The price is usually at the point where the amount you are willing to pay meets the amount they are willing to accept. Glad to have helped.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Oct 12, 2015 12:17:25 GMT
Unfortunately that is one of the concerns that Directors buy at one price and for anyone else (including the SC) the price is higher. In some contexts this is known as 'a rip off' It's hardly a rip off when ALL parties know what each other is paying. Its called 'willing buyer willing seller' in the financial markets and is entirely normal......ie as part of a directors remuneration plan I paid far less for my share option shares than non directors could get them on the open market. It's all declared in the report and accounts and transparent. yes you can (last I heard)- contact Twatola via the club. Some on here have bought them so their knowledge will be better than mine. Random purchasers usually pay more than even the share scheme do, which in turn is more than any Directors have. But as I said if everyone in this chain is happy to pay what they are asked too, there's no 'rip-off' Don't get me wrong Higgs is still the worst chairman we've had since Flook and Bradshaw's joint efforts at Eastville. In fact even they didn't manage to quadruple the clubs debt and didn't have the advantage of owning our own ground. Also they never took us even into the 4th division let alone non league Nor did they ban fans for simply pointing out their deficiencies and errors. So can anyone name a Chairman with a worse financial and on field history than Higgs?
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 12, 2015 12:21:52 GMT
It's hardly a rip off when ALL parties know what each other is paying. Its called 'willing buyer willing seller' in the financial markets and is entirely normal......ie as part of a directors remuneration plan I paid far less for my share option shares than non directors could get them on the open market. It's all declared in the report and accounts and transparent. Please educate me, can anyone buy shares in BRFC? If so do you know how? Lastly do you know if any are available and for how much? Genuine questions that have always puzzled me. About 10 years ago, I bought 5x10p BRFC shares for 200 quid ! The certificate is framed and hanging on the wall in my Man Cave. That may sound extreme and very pricey, but to me that certificate is priceless ! Was it a futile, stupid purchase? Yes, of course it was. Would I do it again? Yes, of course I would ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Write to the club and ask how much it would cost to purchase say, five shares!
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