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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 11:04:04 GMT
Surely it's impossible to answer this question with out knowing the manager's respect budgets, given Barnet average around half our attendences you'd assume he's working on a far smaller budget? Barnet's midfield looked particularly weak yesterday compared to our Lines & co, plus we still had Mansel on the bench. so budgets are purely determined by attendances then? If they were then we wouldn't be losing the thick end of a million quid a year. If someone were to draw up a table showing how much money all managers spend for each point they win I think Allen would be up towards the top of that list.
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 23, 2015 11:12:48 GMT
I personally think the time for Martin Allen at our club is past unless DC decides to seek pastures new. The time for Martin Allen was when he was unemployed in February when John Ward was struggling. I am sure if he had been made Manager then we would not have gone down to the Conference and he was capable of taking us out of this division but IMO his style of play now totally makes DC the Man for the job. In fact it was worth going down to have what we have got now. DC has done a tremendous job and although it is only very early days I have the feeling we have a lot more exciting days ahead.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 23, 2015 11:37:42 GMT
Martin Allen is an excellent firefighter whether that is to keep you in the league or get you promoted from an abysmal league (or are we back to pretending the Conference was a 'quality' league). And yes I'll stick by my view that I would've appointed him before Clarke when we got relegated but if I'd have been in the position to appoint him then I'd have been lining up my next appointment from day one. Still let's ignore the fact he won our league last year on undoubtedly a lower budget than the team who finished second, oh and fourth and fifth
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Post by harrybuckle on Aug 23, 2015 13:13:52 GMT
DAVID WILLIAMS ....was 28 and player manager ..that was a hard task ...class player and lead us to sixth place twice in third division now league one....days before play offs
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Post by harrybuckle on Aug 23, 2015 13:17:21 GMT
I personally think the time for Martin Allen at our club is past unless DC decides to seek pastures new. The time for Martin Allen was when he was unemployed in February when John Ward was struggling. I am sure if he had been made Manager then we would not have gone down to the Conference and he was capable of taking us out of this division but IMO his style of play now totally makes DC the Man for the job. In fact it was worth going down to have what we have got now. DC has done a tremendous job and although it is only very early days I have the feeling we have a lot more exciting days ahead. too many ifs and buts ...history tells us ...we under Ward and DC were clearly not good enough to stay in the FL....Mad Dog is an old fashioned manager not in keeping ith modern football ...similar to John Still ....London based so loads of potential employers ...
DC is clearly ambitious and is learning to get fans on side ....he is at times overly cautious...but man management skills and honesty I must admit I cannot praise him enough
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Post by irishrover on Aug 23, 2015 15:28:07 GMT
There may well come a time when we are grateful for Martin Allen's pretty naked attempts to butter up our club and supporters but it is not now. DC won't manage us forever and there may well come a moment when we are deep in the crappy and Martin Allen would be the correct man for that occasion. However, I never thought he was the right man for the kind of job that needed to be done last season. I don't think he'd have been able to do at Rovers what he did at Barnet - different problems with the squad, different levels of expectation, different mood around the club. Our club was bleeding last year - getting in a sandpaper character like Martin Allen could have been a complete disaster but there may yet come a time when it would be right. Criticism of Allen is a bit harsh - he's very good at what he does and it a lot more astute then the image he project of the old school football man.
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Post by brizzle on Aug 23, 2015 15:36:42 GMT
There may well come a time when we are grateful for Martin Allen's pretty naked attempts to butter up our club and supporters but it is not now. DC won't manage us forever and there may well come a moment when we are deep in the crappy and Martin Allen would be the correct man for that occasion. However, I never thought he was the right man for the kind of job that needed to be done last season. I don't think he'd have been able to do at Rovers what he did at Barnet - different problems with the squad, different levels of expectation, different mood around the club. Our club was bleeding last year - getting in a sandpaper character like Martin Allen could have been a complete disaster but there may yet come a time when it would be right. Criticism of Allen is a bit harsh - he's very good at what he does and it a lot more astute then the image he project of the old school football man. How much more of a disaster could it have been? We were relegated from the Football League, so what else that was worse could have happened to us, if we had appointed him as manager? Mind you, all's well that ends well.
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Post by irishrover on Aug 23, 2015 15:40:04 GMT
There may well come a time when we are grateful for Martin Allen's pretty naked attempts to butter up our club and supporters but it is not now. DC won't manage us forever and there may well come a moment when we are deep in the crappy and Martin Allen would be the correct man for that occasion. However, I never thought he was the right man for the kind of job that needed to be done last season. I don't think he'd have been able to do at Rovers what he did at Barnet - different problems with the squad, different levels of expectation, different mood around the club. Our club was bleeding last year - getting in a sandpaper character like Martin Allen could have been a complete disaster but there may yet come a time when it would be right. Criticism of Allen is a bit harsh - he's very good at what he does and it a lot more astute then the image he project of the old school football man. How much more of a disaster could it have been? We were relegated from the Football League, so what else that was worse could have happened to us, if we had appointed him as manager? Mind you, all's well that ends well. No - no, sorry I meant for the start of last season. Some people were suggesting that we should have let Clarke go after relegation and bought in Allen; I said then I thought that would be a mistake. I'd have absolutely have had him in with 10 games to go in the relegation season though.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Aug 23, 2015 15:47:47 GMT
There may well come a time when we are grateful for Martin Allen's pretty naked attempts to butter up our club and supporters but it is not now. DC won't manage us forever and there may well come a moment when we are deep in the crappy and Martin Allen would be the correct man for that occasion. However, I never thought he was the right man for the kind of job that needed to be done last season. I don't think he'd have been able to do at Rovers what he did at Barnet - different problems with the squad, different levels of expectation, different mood around the club. Our club was bleeding last year - getting in a sandpaper character like Martin Allen could have been a complete disaster but there may yet come a time when it would be right. Criticism of Allen is a bit harsh - he's very good at what he does and it a lot more astute then the image he project of the old school football man. allen would have saved us that season but would have done nothing the season after. History will judge being relegated as being a blessing, although a disaster at the time we have come back significantly stronger, with a more sensible wage structure and a bunch of players with fantastic attitudes. We also have one of the brightest young managers in football, ironically acquired by accident!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 23, 2015 15:48:49 GMT
Surely it's impossible to answer this question with out knowing the manager's respect budgets, given Barnet average around half our attendences you'd assume he's working on a far smaller budget? Barnet's midfield looked particularly weak yesterday compared to our Lines & co, plus we still had Mansel on the bench. so budgets are purely determined by attendances then? There must be some connection or we'd be in the Premiership and Man U etc struggling in Div 2, whilst there's the Fleetwood etc exceptions Barnet claimed there wage bill was only £750K last season and I doubt Allen's got a lot more to spend this season.
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Post by brizzle on Aug 23, 2015 16:13:39 GMT
so budgets are purely determined by attendances then? There must be some connection or we'd be in the Premiership and Man U etc struggling in Div 2, whilst there's the Fleetwood etc exceptions Barnet claimed there wage bill was only £750K last season and I doubt Allen's got a lot more to spend this season. If that's the case, I wonder what share of the pot our old friend Akinde (pen) is entitled to?
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 23, 2015 18:19:50 GMT
Bournemouths Eddie Howe is 37 and he's been a manager since 2008! And an excellent manager he is too. Oh yes. He certainly is but so is DC...and getting better the more he is tested.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 21:06:11 GMT
so budgets are purely determined by attendances then? There must be some connection or we'd be in the Premiership and Man U etc struggling in Div 2, whilst there's the Fleetwood etc exceptions Barnet claimed there wage bill was only £750K last season and I doubt Allen's got a lot more to spend this season. chelsea leeds sheffield wednesday same size fan base approx,,why are chelsea doing better? barnet payed a fee for high scoring john akinde and had charlie mcdonald and the winger hill who played for QPR so there budget wasnt far behind ours. bristol city trying to spend 9 m on strikers on 13,000 gates ,,,i agree attendances play a part but not as much as in days gone by.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 24, 2015 14:07:20 GMT
He's 37. That's not young It is to a soon to be 52 year old fart. I'd bloody love to be that age again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 14:42:11 GMT
There must be some connection or we'd be in the Premiership and Man U etc struggling in Div 2, whilst there's the Fleetwood etc exceptions Barnet claimed there wage bill was only £750K last season and I doubt Allen's got a lot more to spend this season. chelsea leeds sheffield wednesday same size fan base approx,,why are chelsea doing better? barnet paid a fee for high scoring john akinde and had charlie mcdonald and the winger hill who played for QPR so their budget wasnt far behind ours. bristol city trying to spend 9 m on strikers on 13,000 gates ,,,i agree attendances play a part but not as much as in days gone by. Akinde went from Alfreton to Barnet on a free transfer. Charlie MacDonald, as far as I can see, has never had a fee paid for him. His previous clubs were; Oldham, Orient, Franchise FC, Brentford, Southend, Ebbsfleet, Crawley, Stevenage, Margate, hard to see that he would have been in a position to demand a high wage. But I agree, how can City possibly pay £9,000,000 for a player, and then his wages, on gates of 13~15000 and still operate within their means?
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Post by brizzle on Aug 24, 2015 15:41:44 GMT
chelsea leeds sheffield wednesday same size fan base approx,,why are chelsea doing better? barnet paid a fee for high scoring john akinde and had charlie mcdonald and the winger hill who played for QPR so their budget wasnt far behind ours. bristol city trying to spend 9 m on strikers on 13,000 gates ,,,i agree attendances play a part but not as much as in days gone by. Akinde went from Alfreton to Barnet on a free transfer. Charlie MacDonald, as far as I can see, has never had a fee paid for him. His previous clubs were; Oldham, Orient, Franchise FC, Brentford, Southend, Ebbsfleet, Crawley, Stevenage, Margate, hard to see that he would have been in a position to demand a high wage. But I agree, how can City possibly pay £9,000,000 for a player, and then his wages, on gates of 13~15000 and still operate within their means?It might help if you trawl through the following, if you've a mind to of course . . . www.uefa.com/community/news/newsid=2064391.html
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 21:55:31 GMT
Akinde went from Alfreton to Barnet on a free transfer. Charlie MacDonald, as far as I can see, has never had a fee paid for him. His previous clubs were; Oldham, Orient, Franchise FC, Brentford, Southend, Ebbsfleet, Crawley, Stevenage, Margate, hard to see that he would have been in a position to demand a high wage. But I agree, how can City possibly pay £9,000,000 for a player, and then his wages, on gates of 13~15000 and still operate within their means?It might help if you trawl through the following, if you've a mind to of course . . . www.uefa.com/community/news/newsid=2064391.htmlmacdonald was a regular goalscorer in league one and his wages and akindes and hills would have been good,,there budget was probably smaller than ours but not by much imo,,,you mixed up the order of the clubs he played for mysteriously bamber
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:01:24 GMT
ref,,financial fair play im totally against it myself and i reckon QPR will win there court case and it will be scrapped. what do you think bamber[if you read this]..you seem to talk sense on financial matters
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:12:09 GMT
macdonald was a regular goalscorer in league one and his wages and akindes and hills would have been good,,there budget was probably smaller than ours but not by much imo,,,you mixed up the order of the clubs he played for mysteriously bamber The order of the clubs is not mixed up at all, it's purely chronological. Take a look at Barnet's accounts, they don't turn over the sums that Rovers do, neither do they post the losses that we do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:35:30 GMT
macdonald was a regular goalscorer in league one and his wages and akindes and hills would have been good,,there budget was probably smaller than ours but not by much imo,,,you mixed up the order of the clubs he played for mysteriously bamber The order of the clubs is not mixed up at all, it's purely chronological. Take a look at Barnet's accounts, they don't turn over the sums that Rovers do, neither do they post the losses that we do. back to front though he played plenty of league one football before barnet,,,i looked at there squad and maintain there budget wasnt so far away from ours but your entitled to your opinion,,guide me to the playing budget information online if you can please?
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