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Stuart Taylor
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Post by LPGas on Apr 19, 2015 13:07:14 GMT
Clarke has had all the financial support he wanted; Chris Lines, Blissit and Easter demonstrate that. It's not as if he's being asked to get results against teams of postmen and electricians and to do it with a squad full of kids and zero budget. Sums it up nicely. suggest you go to the gate where the perfect manager and perfect players are, THEN perhaps you wouldn't need to moan so much |
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Stuart Taylor
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Post by LPGas on Apr 19, 2015 13:08:04 GMT
RE: The Postmen and electricians cliche. Can we stop this now? These are decent jobs that can pay well. At the lower end of the league system going professional may not be the best choice financially or in terms of career trajectory. Many part timers are quality players who value their own careers outside football, and the money they can make there. The disadvantage may only be in terms of fitness. Many full time players at this level are gambling on reaching a higher level. They may be wrong. An electrician is just a job someone has - it doesn't hinder their skills. P.S If you have to keep churning this out mix it up a bit - nurses, sales reps, security consultants. Use your imagination. Correct |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 13:08:24 GMT
Loads of blokes are naturally fit but that will not make them good footballers,whats the point in having full time professionals ? surely so that they can spend their days training and having coaching ?,you seem to be saying that's not an advantage. Clearly said it's IS an advantage - but that at this level it can be more about fitness, potential to improve - they may not necessarily be better quality players. If full time professionals are not fitter than part timers there must be something wrong with the training methods. |
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Post by Bridgeman on Apr 19, 2015 13:08:45 GMT
As I said on another thread, it's not over until the fat lady sings guys.
You can make all the negative comments you like about the manager, team selection, individual players performances, style of play but there's one thing for sure, not one of you would get anywhere near to getting this team in the position they are are today.
It doesn't really matter what we think, despite team orders, practice etc one individual error can undermine everything you've worked towards, do you think he instructs players to hoof the ball down the pitch or to make make errors. Sometimes even weather conditions can affect what happens on the pitch and no one has mentioned how difficult it was in the very strong wind yesterday to control the ball or to even judge the weight of pass to another player, did no one notice how difficult it was for our defenders to head the ball out from defence yesterday.
Perhaps you should go on the Barnet forum and offer Martin Allen some advice, maybe his team wouldn't be top then ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 13:18:43 GMT
As I said on another thread, it's not over until the fat lady sings guys. You can make all the negative comments you like about the manager, team selection, individual players performances, style of play but there's one thing for sure, not one of you would get anywhere near to getting this team in the position they are are today. It doesn't really matter what we think, despite team orders, practice etc one individual error can undermine everything you've worked towards, do you think he instructs players to hoof the ball down the pitch or to make make errors. Sometimes even weather conditions can affect what happens on the pitch and no one has mentioned how difficult it was in the very strong wind yesterday to control the ball or to even judge the weight of pass to another player, did no one notice how difficult it was for our defenders to head the ball out from defence yesterday. Perhaps you should go on the Barnet forum and offer Martin Allen some advice, maybe his team wouldn't be top then ? I think that it matters what supporters think,if a substantial amount of them think "I have had enough of this sh1te" and stop going to games that would be a problem.
So you think that he doesn't tell players to hoof the ball down the pitch ? well some of them have been doing that all season so either he isn't making himself understood or they cant play it any different,and it was worse when it was in the air yesterday because it was windy,as someone else said we looked better in the short spell that we kept it on the floor.
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Post by LPGas on Apr 19, 2015 13:30:25 GMT
Why don't you just go back to the gate as I seriously believe that you are a Ted, although an intelligent one, rare I know What makes you think that Bamber supports a Championship club? His first point is factually correct and his second point is his opinion which he is entitled to. Clarke didn't get us relegated, he had 8 games in charge Ward had 38 AND refused to buy any strikers. Clarke was left with bunch of hopeless players |
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Post by michaelb on Apr 19, 2015 13:32:53 GMT
He is work in progress who's best asset at present is his pace which he seldom gets to use That's much as I see it, but overall I'm bound to say that he was not the player that we required at the time of his signing. That's not to say that he won't become a half-decent player given time (and coaching), but I still wonder whether he was a good acquisition. Mind you for what we are reported to have paid for his services, I am a little disappointed. I think that what we needed was a ready-made centre forward who could bang in a few goals, not an investment for the future, at least not at that time. Like Easter ? The point i'm trying to make is that whoever it is its always a gamble, as it presently stands, Bliss has been a better investment than Easter, more game time, more goals and more assists, plus the potential to sell on, maybe. |
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Post by Bridgeman on Apr 19, 2015 13:44:20 GMT
As I said on another thread, it's not over until the fat lady sings guys. You can make all the negative comments you like about the manager, team selection, individual players performances, style of play but there's one thing for sure, not one of you would get anywhere near to getting this team in the position they are are today. It doesn't really matter what we think, despite team orders, practice etc one individual error can undermine everything you've worked towards, do you think he instructs players to hoof the ball down the pitch or to make make errors. Sometimes even weather conditions can affect what happens on the pitch and no one has mentioned how difficult it was in the very strong wind yesterday to control the ball or to even judge the weight of pass to another player, did no one notice how difficult it was for our defenders to head the ball out from defence yesterday. Perhaps you should go on the Barnet forum and offer Martin Allen some advice, maybe his team wouldn't be top then ? I think that it matters what supporters think,if a substantial amount of them think "I have had enough of this sh1te" and stop going to games that would be a problem.
So you think that he doesn't tell players to hoof the ball down the pitch ? well some of them have been doing that all season so either he isn't making himself understood or they cant play it any different,and it was worse when it was in the air yesterday because it was windy,as someone else said we looked better in the short spell that we kept it on the floor.
Sorry I didn't word that very well and I do agree with you that supporters are allowed to express their views but I still don't believe any of us are good enough to get us in the position we are in the league. With regard to hoofing the ball I think there are times when there may be no other option and despite our desire for them to play it out from defence at this level and ability that can prove suicidal. Yesterday I think was the case because how the wind was swirling around it made it very difficult to judge how the ball was coming down to clear so there were many misheaders resulting in having to hack the ball clear from the first error. I totally agree when we got it on the floor we were far better but it didn't unfortunately happen often enough |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 14:01:19 GMT
Agreed he didn't it was just the fact that the no.1,keeper was fit again. Mildenhall was dropped because he done the same as Puddys done yesterday...howlers. Anywhere else on the pitch and mistakes can be rectified and glossed over, in the six yard box and more importantly on the goal line there is no allowance for that. As yesterday proved. unfortunate for Puddy and it will be interesting to see if he can pick himself up for Alfreton, or will Clarke bring back Mildenhall? Absolutely spot on IMO. And probably why Mildenhall will be back for Alfreton I think you will agree though there seems to be on here a mentality that you always play your "best players" when in reality a player is only as good as his last game. Agreed totally with that. I will also say, re; mentality on here. That the ' kangaroo court' mob are a total embarrassment with their cringeworthy mentality after a Rovers draw. Take away Puddys mistake and it would be o so very quiet on here as per. I am gutted after yesterday but all is not lost and I am optimistic for next Saturday. |
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Post by brizzle on Apr 19, 2015 14:38:10 GMT
That's much as I see it, but overall I'm bound to say that he was not the player that we required at the time of his signing. That's not to say that he won't become a half-decent player given time (and coaching), but I still wonder whether he was a good acquisition. Mind you for what we are reported to have paid for his services, I am a little disappointed. I think that what we needed was a ready-made centre forward who could bang in a few goals, not an investment for the future, at least not at that time. Like Easter ? The point i'm trying to make is that whoever it is its always a gamble, as it presently stands, Bliss has been a better investment than Easter, more game time, more goals and more assists, plus the potential to sell on, maybe. I wasn't thinking specifically of Jermaine Easter, but I take your point though. But aren't we saying the same thing, only in a different way regarding Blissett? |
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Post by michaelb on Apr 19, 2015 15:51:50 GMT
Like Easter ? The point i'm trying to make is that whoever it is its always a gamble, as it presently stands, Bliss has been a better investment than Easter, more game time, more goals and more assists, plus the potential to sell on, maybe. I wasn't thinking specifically of Jermaine Easter, but I take your point though. But aren't we saying the same thing, only in a different way regarding Blissett? I think so. |
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Post by bs14gas on Apr 19, 2015 16:32:33 GMT
Biggest mystery for me is Lead better not getting game time, playing Lockyer at full back? DL has looked better and better until.......he's dropped???
Pace scares defenders, and creates space. We aren't exactly blessed with pace, so why leave one of only a few Lacey players?
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 19, 2015 16:42:08 GMT
Leadbetter is a better right back than Lockyer. He is miles quicker and plays it on the floor rather than hoofing it. Why wasn't Dawson at least on the bench yesterday? Another pacey player who likes to play it on the ground. DC decided the best plan yesterday was to play hoofball against a poor side and ultimately got what we deserved. It's now nearly 24 hours after the final whistle and I am still P*ssed Off. AND I live in Essex and can't get any decent cider.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 17:15:25 GMT
RE: The Postmen and electricians cliche. Can we stop this now? These are decent jobs that can pay well. At the lower end of the league system going professional may not be the best choice financially or in terms of career trajectory. Many part timers are quality players who value their own careers outside football, and the money they can make there. The disadvantage may only be in terms of fitness. Many full time players at this level are gambling on reaching a higher level. They may be wrong. An electrician is just a job someone has - it doesn't hinder their skills. P.S If you have to keep churning this out mix it up a bit - nurses, sales reps, security consultants. Use your imagination. OK, we can't beat teams full of auto electricians and fruit & veg shop owners. Happy now? No matter how you look at it, it's a disgrace that Bristol Rovers can't beat Dover. Of course, you'll get one or two odd results during a season, but time after time Clarke fails to get his team organised to beat very poor teams. Last year against Rochdale, 2nd game in 48 hours, we need to slow things down and try to control the pace of the game. When their keeper got the ball their two wide men sprinted to the side lines, the keeper threw the ball to one of them and we were immediately under pressure, it happened all game long. What did Clarke do? A. Instruct someone to stand on the keeper's toes so that we could drop back and get organised before the ball was released, or B. Stand there with his mouth gaping open looking confused? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 17:23:48 GMT
What makes you think that Bamber supports a Championship club? His first point is factually correct and his second point is his opinion which he is entitled to. Clarke didn't get us relegated, he had 8 games in charge Ward had 38 AND refused to buy any strikers. Clarke was left with bunch of hopeless players But we weren't in a relegation position under Ward and no matter how you try to change history the record books show, Relegated: Bristol Rovers, Manager: Darell Clarke. |
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Post by pirate49 on Apr 19, 2015 17:34:31 GMT
RE: The Postmen and electricians cliche. Can we stop this now? These are decent jobs that can pay well. At the lower end of the league system going professional may not be the best choice financially or in terms of career trajectory. Many part timers are quality players who value their own careers outside football, and the money they can make there. The disadvantage may only be in terms of fitness. Many full time players at this level are gambling on reaching a higher level. They may be wrong. An electrician is just a job someone has - it doesn't hinder their skills. P.S If you have to keep churning this out mix it up a bit - nurses, sales reps, security consultants. Use your imagination. OK, we can't beat teams full of auto electricians and fruit & veg shop owners. Happy now? No matter how you look at it, it's a disgrace that Bristol Rovers can't beat Dover. Of course, you'll get one or two odd results during a season, but time after time Clarke fails to get his team organised to beat very poor teams. Last year against Rochdale, 2nd game in 48 hours, we need to slow things down and try to control the pace of the game. When their keeper got the ball their two wide men sprinted to the side lines, the keeper threw the ball to one of them and we were immediately under pressure, it happened all game long. What did Clarke do? A. Instruct someone to stand on the keeper's toes so that we could drop back and get organised before the ball was released, or B. Stand there with his mouth gaping open looking confused? Getting angrier the more I think about yesterday. Why play 433 with Harrison, our greatest threat, covering back to make up for the 'missing' man in midfield? No wonder he was knackered. A fresher Harrison playing 90 minutes might have made the difference. Is it too much to ask that a lanky professional footballer playing CF can time his jumping and win a few headers against part-time players? Why did Lockyer, and not Lines or Mansell, take that free-kick which went straight to their 'keeper and indirectly led to their goal? The pitch was not awful, and although there was a wind it wasn't a gale; so why did the ball spend as much time in the air as Louis Bleriot's flight from Dover? Has anyone told Parkes and McChrystal that they are allowed to use their right feet? |
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Post by oviedista on Apr 19, 2015 18:14:39 GMT
RE: The Postmen and electricians cliche. Can we stop this now? These are decent jobs that can pay well. At the lower end of the league system going professional may not be the best choice financially or in terms of career trajectory. Many part timers are quality players who value their own careers outside football, and the money they can make there. The disadvantage may only be in terms of fitness. Many full time players at this level are gambling on reaching a higher level. They may be wrong. An electrician is just a job someone has - it doesn't hinder their skills. P.S If you have to keep churning this out mix it up a bit - nurses, sales reps, security consultants. Use your imagination. OK, we can't beat teams full of auto electricians and fruit & veg shop owners. Happy now? No matter how you look at it, it's a disgrace that Bristol Rovers can't beat Dover. Of course, you'll get one or two odd results during a season, but time after time Clarke fails to get his team organised to beat very poor teams. Last year against Rochdale, 2nd game in 48 hours, we need to slow things down and try to control the pace of the game. When their keeper got the ball their two wide men sprinted to the side lines, the keeper threw the ball to one of them and we were immediately under pressure, it happened all game long. What did Clarke do? A. Instruct someone to stand on the keeper's toes so that we could drop back and get organised before the ball was released, or B. Stand there with his mouth gaping open looking confused? No not happy now - you're still making the assumption that part time teams are a joke, akin to playing Sunday league. They are decent sides with some quality players many of which will be as good if not better than the ones we have at our disposal. Over a season you would expect a full time team to have the advantage and come out on top most of the time. Losing some along the way. We've lost 5 all season. We're second. If we had started this season in League 2 where do you think we would be now? In a better or worse position than previous seasons? With better performances and a more cohesive motivated side or not? Regardless of whether we are playing part time or full time clubs most aspects of the team have improved. You don't have to love Clarke, and you can unpack poor decision making/ performances all you like - but give the guy SOME credit. Thinking we should beat all part time teams (and then always by more than one goal) is just fanciful. Did you read anything Luton fans posted on here early in the season? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 18:27:21 GMT
OK, we can't beat teams full of auto electricians and fruit & veg shop owners. Happy now? No matter how you look at it, it's a disgrace that Bristol Rovers can't beat Dover. Of course, you'll get one or two odd results during a season, but time after time Clarke fails to get his team organised to beat very poor teams. Last year against Rochdale, 2nd game in 48 hours, we need to slow things down and try to control the pace of the game. When their keeper got the ball their two wide men sprinted to the side lines, the keeper threw the ball to one of them and we were immediately under pressure, it happened all game long. What did Clarke do? A. Instruct someone to stand on the keeper's toes so that we could drop back and get organised before the ball was released, or B. Stand there with his mouth gaping open looking confused? No not happy now - you're still making the assumption that part time teams are a joke, akin to playing Sunday league. They are decent sides with some quality players many of which will be as good if not better than the ones we have at our disposal. Over a season you would expect a full time team to have the advantage and come out on top most of the time. Losing some along the way. We've lost 5 all season. We're second. If we had started this season in League 2 where do you think we would be now? In a better or worse position than previous seasons? With better performances and a more cohesive motivated side or not? Regardless of whether we are playing part time or full time clubs most aspects of the team have improved. You don't have to love Clarke, and you can unpack poor decision making/ performances all you like - but give the guy SOME credit. Thinking we should beat all part time teams (and then always by more than one goal) is just fanciful. Did you read anything Luton fans posted on here early in the season? If we started the season in L2 with Clarke in charge, we would be in a 4 way dog-fight with Hartlepool, Tranmere and Cheltenham. Tranmere beat us without breaking sweat earleir in the season, so draw your own conclusions. Give him credit for what? Failing all season to organise a team so that the whole was greater than the sum of the individuals? I never said we would win every game, look what happened to Chelsea in the FA cup, that's football, odd results happen, but 16 draws and you want to defend that record, your on a wind up, surely? I don't know whether to laugh or cry, you are making excuses for not being able to beat Dover. Dover for goodness sake...... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 18:30:53 GMT
Clarke didn't get us relegated, he had 8 games in charge Ward had 38 AND refused to buy any strikers. Clarke was left with bunch of hopeless players But we weren't in a relegation position under Ward and no matter how you try to change history the record books show, Relegated: Bristol Rovers, Manager: Darell Clarke. And we gained more points in the 8 games before he took over than we did in the final 8. But hey, never let the facts get in the way....... |
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Post by droitwichgas on Apr 19, 2015 19:13:04 GMT
No not happy now - you're still making the assumption that part time teams are a joke, akin to playing Sunday league. They are decent sides with some quality players many of which will be as good if not better than the ones we have at our disposal. Over a season you would expect a full time team to have the advantage and come out on top most of the time. Losing some along the way. We've lost 5 all season. We're second. If we had started this season in League 2 where do you think we would be now? In a better or worse position than previous seasons? With better performances and a more cohesive motivated side or not? Regardless of whether we are playing part time or full time clubs most aspects of the team have improved. You don't have to love Clarke, and you can unpack poor decision making/ performances all you like - but give the guy SOME credit. Thinking we should beat all part time teams (and then always by more than one goal) is just fanciful. Did you read anything Luton fans posted on here early in the season? If we started the season in L2 with Clarke in charge, we would be in a 4 way dog-fight with Hartlepool, Tranmere and Cheltenham. Tranmere beat us without breaking sweat earleir in the season, so draw your own conclusions. Give him credit for what? Failing all season to organise a team so that the whole was greater than the sum of the individuals? I never said we would win every game, look what happened to Chelsea in the FA cup, that's football, odd results happen, but 16 draws and you want to defend that record, your on a wind up, surely? I don't know whether to laugh or cry, you are making excuses for not being able to beat Dover. Dover for goodness sake...... I thought Tranmere only beat with a pen after MM needlessly handled in the box? Whilst you are clearly anti DC who do you think can do a better job next season if we are still in the Conference and Mad Dog sticks with Barnet? |
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