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Nov 19, 2014 16:51:16 GMT
Post by mancgas has left the building on Nov 19, 2014 16:51:16 GMT
or maybe not? Neil Davies@poppet_2013· @craignoch 2nd offer fell through last night, again on personal terms. 3rd & final offer to Easter on table now apparently. Not entirely sure a bloke on holiday in Gran Canaries is likely to be fully informed...................
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Nov 19, 2014 17:01:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 17:01:34 GMT
I hear what you are saying Brizzle, not everything is always as it seems and crystal clear, aside from individual opinions on Ollie though, one thing that can't really be disregarded is he wanted those around him to be as ambitious as he was back then, but he didn't seem to realise that those around him didn't have the financial resources or desire to attempt to take Rovers to a new level, for me that was when he fell out of love for Rovers. The worst interview of all and I remember it like it was yesterday, when he said, and I quote as near as damn to his words back then '' If the fans think they want promotion badly then believe me the players want it 10 times more'' personally I took that as the most insulting thing any manager has said about Rovers fans (and that includes Buckles lower expectation as I believe he had a point, and still does), I wrote to Ollie saying where do you think the likes of Roberts Cureton etc will be in 12 months and where will the fans be ? Within about 6 months our free scoring strike force were gone, not in a dignified way if you recall as both strikers were unprofessional in terms of application when particularly Uncle Cyril couldn't get JR off to WBA as soon as he would have liked at a price they wanted. So yes as you rightly point out interview are not always a true reflection of the person, except for Mr Higgs, his words and actions, or lack of match perfectly! Excellent post 1986. I've read it and re-read it several times now, and I applaud you for your efforts and insight. The only thing that I would add, and I really don't mean it in a disparaging way, is that Ollie's life didn't begin in the late 1990s. He was about long before that in a playing capacity, and a damn fine player he was too by the way. But there were always signs that his personal ambition would far outweigh his self-professed ''love'' for BRFC. To put it crudely he was always aiming for the top, and if he could take BRFC with him then all well and good, but if not, well . . . ? There's nothing wrong with that by the way, everyone should have some ambition. But some of his actions and comments have stuck in the craw of some of the older supporters, who remember him not only as a successful manager and TV pundit, but as a squad player with BRFC who has shown little regard for the club or its supporters on occasions. If I could briefly point out one example of this behaviour, it was when Gerry Francis left Rovers to join QPR as their manager. Probably because of their close professional relationship Holloway almost immediately became unsettled at Rovers, and took himself off to London where he negotiated and signed a playing contract with QPR, But the problem was that he was still under contract to BRFC, and clearly no player can be under contract to two clubs at the same time. When all of this became public Francis said that he was ''embarrassed'' at events, and told Holloway to sort it out. In the event he left Rovers for QPR and Rovers were compensated, but it did leave a sour taste that's for sure. But remember that all of this occurred long before his time as the manager of BRFC, and for some his previous behaviour must have coloured their views. It most certainly coloured mine. Hi Brizzle, being at the midway point between whipper snapper and checking out of the planet as an old man I recall Ollies playing days with us well. I say remember well, however I had completely forgotten about the QPR debacle and the way in which he acted back then. I am a fan as I like the and share the way he's lived and worked with his heart on his sleeve, a few things said have tainted that, overall he is a good guy and we have all made mistakes, certainly not the messiah some make out but a great character in a sport where characters seem to be fewer and far between in comparison to a few decades ago.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 17:04:15 GMT
The big problem is he's on championship money but he's willing to take a drop but how much of a drop is obviously a problem. The way I see it, if he is serious about being closer to Cardiff we should now stand firm on our final offer. If he doesn't want to agree terms I'm sure FGR will offer more money to him but I'm fed up with players using Rovers for big final paydays. If signing him would guarantee promotion that would be another matter but if money is his main concern, it's no thanks from me (and DC as well I would imagine) Agreed.Alarm bells are ringing now,does JE really want to sign for a conference team? Are we being used and abused by an agent? What effect would it have on dressing room morale if a player earning 5 times as much as this seasons recruits is brought in? Never believed it was a realistic route to go down and we should get out now in my opinion(if we were ever in).
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Nov 19, 2014 17:08:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 17:08:20 GMT
The big problem is he's on championship money. I would have hoped we knew that at the outset.
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Post by intheknow on Nov 19, 2014 17:15:40 GMT
When / if he signs who's gonna be the first to say we've blown all the budget on him , he's on 4k a week blah blah
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Nov 19, 2014 17:16:07 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 17:16:07 GMT
The big problem is he's on championship money but he's willing to take a drop but how much of a drop is obviously a problem. But I thought that you had posted that it was a done deal, baldergas. It seems that I misunderstood you, eh? I thought that the financial side of it was settled, but his agent had asked for a 12-month deal to compensate, or am I behind the times here? Have I got the right player even, not to mention the correct buying/selling club, and all of the other clubs that are/maybe interested/involved. And there was me awaiting the usual type of unveiling at The Mem (blue and white scarf held up above head, together with the usual spouted platitudes), and expecting the player to be knocking in at least two goals on Saturday. I'm just relieved that we only decided to try to sign one player this week, as opposed to the possible two that were in our sights. Small mercies eh? I think you'll find I said that we'd put a offer to him that was what I was told at the time. Like its said elsewhere the final offer has been made. i asked if it's likely he'll sign I was told 50/50.
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Nov 19, 2014 17:23:12 GMT
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Post by lympstonegas on Nov 19, 2014 17:23:12 GMT
The way I see it, if he is serious about being closer to Cardiff we should now stand firm on our final offer. If he doesn't want to agree terms I'm sure FGR will offer more money to him but I'm fed up with players using Rovers for big final paydays. If signing him would guarantee promotion that would be another matter but if money is his main concern, it's no thanks from me (and DC as well I would imagine) Agreed.Alarm bells are ringing now,does JE really want to sign for a conference team? Are we being used and abused by an agent? What effect would it have on dressing room morale if a player earning 5 times as much as this seasons recruits is brought in? Never believed it was a realistic route to go down and we should get out now in my opinion(if we were ever in). And to think the OP started this threat slagging the Board off for allegedly refusing to cave into the players terms which incited quite a few Boardhaters to jump onboard. Will common senes now prevail or was this story always a rumour with no foundation ?
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Nov 19, 2014 17:26:37 GMT
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Post by crater on Nov 19, 2014 17:26:37 GMT
I heard it was 60/40 Can't say which way
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Nov 19, 2014 17:38:00 GMT
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Post by ellington on Nov 19, 2014 17:38:00 GMT
Not bigger clubs obviously not but based on our wage budget of £750k I suspect theirs is bigger aside thats not our wage budget Yes it is
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Nov 19, 2014 17:43:15 GMT
Post by manchestergas on Nov 19, 2014 17:43:15 GMT
Why can't you say which way? Did your contact ring you up and say 60/40 and slam the phone down? or maybe Barruy Bradshaw rugby tackled him/her mid sentence.
What will be will be.
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Nov 19, 2014 17:46:48 GMT
Post by brizzle on Nov 19, 2014 17:46:48 GMT
Why can't you say which way? Did your contact ring you up and say 60/40 and slam the phone down? or maybe Barruy Bradshaw rugby tackled him/her mid sentence. What will be will be. Que sera, sera.
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Nov 19, 2014 17:47:14 GMT
Post by sharkey on Nov 19, 2014 17:47:14 GMT
I think crater was being sarcastic after Baldergas states he is 50/50 on whether he will sign, which is clearly in the realms of "I do not have a clue". Anyway, according to Wikipedia, JE has signed for Henbury Old Boys!
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Nov 19, 2014 17:48:49 GMT
Post by manchestergas on Nov 19, 2014 17:48:49 GMT
Ah, apologies crater.
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Nov 19, 2014 18:24:41 GMT
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Post by dinsdale on Nov 19, 2014 18:24:41 GMT
or maybe not? Neil Davies@poppet_2013· @craignoch 2nd offer fell through last night, again on personal terms. 3rd & final offer to Easter on table now apparently. Thats just a retweet of a keith chimp post
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Nov 19, 2014 18:26:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 18:26:45 GMT
I think crater was being sarcastic after Baldergas states he is 50/50 on whether he will sign, which is clearly in the realms of "I do not have a clue". Anyway, according to Wikipedia, JE has signed for Henbury Old Boys! Think what you want I couldn't give a flying!
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Nov 19, 2014 18:30:32 GMT
Post by matealotblue on Nov 19, 2014 18:30:32 GMT
But I thought that you had posted that it was a done deal, baldergas. It seems that I misunderstood you, eh? I thought that the financial side of it was settled, but his agent had asked for a 12-month deal to compensate, or am I behind the times here? Have I got the right player even, not to mention the correct buying/selling club, and all of the other clubs that are/maybe interested/involved. And there was me awaiting the usual type of unveiling at The Mem (blue and white scarf held up above head, together with the usual spouted platitudes), and expecting the player to be knocking in at least two goals on Saturday. I'm just relieved that we only decided to try to sign one player this week, as opposed to the possible two that were in our sights. Small mercies eh? I think you'll find I said that we'd put a offer to him that was what I was told at the time. Like its said elsewhere the final offer has been made. i asked if it's likely he'll sign I was told 50/50. So what happened to him coming here on loan instead of Crawley? Thought you were confirming that earlier?
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Nov 19, 2014 18:38:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 18:38:04 GMT
I agreed that he turned a offer down, he wants to relocate near to his home in Cardiff so why would he go to Crawley?
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Post by Bridgeman on Nov 19, 2014 18:42:36 GMT
I agreed that he turned a offer down, he wants to relocate near to his home in Cardiff so why would he go to Crawley? Erm.....money, that usually has the desired effect
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Nov 19, 2014 18:47:05 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 18:47:05 GMT
I agreed that he turned a offer down, he wants to relocate near to his home in Cardiff so why would he go to Crawley? Erm.....money, that usually has the desired effect Very true, we could be a pawn in him trying to get another club to give him more money perhaps.
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Nov 19, 2014 18:56:00 GMT
Post by brizzle on Nov 19, 2014 18:56:00 GMT
Excellent post 1986. I've read it and re-read it several times now, and I applaud you for your efforts and insight. The only thing that I would add, and I really don't mean it in a disparaging way, is that Ollie's life didn't begin in the late 1990s. He was about long before that in a playing capacity, and a damn fine player he was too by the way. But there were always signs that his personal ambition would far outweigh his self-professed ''love'' for BRFC. To put it crudely he was always aiming for the top, and if he could take BRFC with him then all well and good, but if not, well . . . ? There's nothing wrong with that by the way, everyone should have some ambition. But some of his actions and comments have stuck in the craw of some of the older supporters, who remember him not only as a successful manager and TV pundit, but as a squad player with BRFC who has shown little regard for the club or its supporters on occasions. If I could briefly point out one example of this behaviour, it was when Gerry Francis left Rovers to join QPR as their manager. Probably because of their close professional relationship Holloway almost immediately became unsettled at Rovers, and took himself off to London where he negotiated and signed a playing contract with QPR, But the problem was that he was still under contract to BRFC, and clearly no player can be under contract to two clubs at the same time. When all of this became public Francis said that he was ''embarrassed'' at events, and told Holloway to sort it out. In the event he left Rovers for QPR and Rovers were compensated, but it did leave a sour taste that's for sure. But remember that all of this occurred long before his time as the manager of BRFC, and for some his previous behaviour must have coloured their views. It most certainly coloured mine. Hi Brizzle, being at the midway point between whipper snapper and checking out of the planet as an old man I recall Ollies playing days with us well. I say remember well, however I had completely forgotten about the QPR debacle and the way in which he acted back then. I am a fan as I like the and share the way he's lived and worked with his heart on his sleeve, a few things said have tainted that, overall he is a good guy and we have all made mistakes, certainly not the messiah some make out but a great character in a sport where characters seem to be fewer and far between in comparison to a few decades ago. A very well-balanced post if I may say so 1986gas, a lesson to us all there. As you quite rightly say we have all made mistakes, which is why my original post was so generous to Ian Holloway. The fact is that he was good for us, and vice versa, but the catalyst was Gerry Francis because without him I don't feel that Holloway would have flourished in the way that he did. When Francis brought him back to the club Holloway was still recovering from a debilitating illness, but under the managers care he went on to produce on the pitch what we now know he was always capable of. And not only that, but he has built on it by using his own personality. But whilst we're taking a walk down Memory Lane, just let me tell you what I believe to be the biggest gaffe in recent BRFC history. It was at the time that Geoff Dunford put the club up for sale, but without an asking price being attached. It was reported that Alan Sugar was interested, and spoke to the Chairman. Apparently it was his intention to purchase the club together with Gerry Francis (remember their link-up at Spurs, where Sugar had been the owner and Francis the manager), and it would have been the responsibility of Francis to run the club on a day-to-day basis. It would have been logical that at some time Holloway would have been introduced onto the scene. But as we all know that was not to be, but for the supporters it would have provided us with a golden opportunity for the big time. To me it always seemed like greedy and muddled thinking had lost us the chance of substantial backing. As regards Holloway's stint as Manager, it has always been my opinion that he was given every backing as regards funds being made available for players. It is also my opinion that he didn't spend those funds as wisely as he could have done. But somewhere in here lies the basis of his perceived animosity towards BRFC. In any event by the time that he departed it was reported that the club were in financial difficulties, so whether it was down to him or the Board is a moot point really. Personally I think that he managed us too early in his managerial career, and that he made all his mistakes with us and learnt from them, to the advantage of clubs that he managed later in his career . . . not entirely successfully by the way, but that's another story. But I will agree with you, that he does have a certain something about him when faced with a television camera.
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