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Nov 19, 2014 19:06:16 GMT
Post by matealotblue on Nov 19, 2014 19:06:16 GMT
Erm.....money, that usually has the desired effect Very true, we could be a pawn in him trying to get another club to give him more money perhaps. But a few posts ago you confirmed he was coming here on loan. Think you said "Tis true" Sounded like a define statement. Now you don't seem so sure? Have you heard something else then?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 19, 2014 19:09:26 GMT
OK, let's assume this deals dead I always felt it a bit odd a player would approach us about a move rather than the other way round!
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Nov 19, 2014 19:12:24 GMT
Post by sharkey on Nov 19, 2014 19:12:24 GMT
I think Mr Baldersgas was a tad over-optimistic! It does seem strange though that JE contact DC first and foremost. I just hope we did not ditch a striker on the basis that this was a "done" deal. All we need is a couple of knocks and we could have a front line with about 2 years experience under their belts.
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Nov 19, 2014 19:15:40 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 19:15:40 GMT
Very true, we could be a pawn in him trying to get another club to give him more money perhaps. But a few posts ago you confirmed he was coming here on loan. Think you said "Tis true" Sounded like a define statement. Now you don't seem so sure? Have you heard something else then? I was referring to him turning someone else down actually.
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Nov 19, 2014 19:31:39 GMT
Post by Royal Blue on Nov 19, 2014 19:31:39 GMT
Without wishing to offend anyone who may or may not have a source, it seems as though everyone got wind of the same information (rumour) on Sunday/Monday and because a deal hasn't been confirmed like they implied was likely to happen they have had to change their story. The 'it's still possible' or 'it's 50/50' covers their back perfectly because regardless of the outcome they can say they didn't commit one way or the other.
The rumours on Twitter, for example, are people frantically trying to be creative with what is happening with the deal when the reality is they know absolutely nothing. That Rovers chat (?) account is no more in the know than you or I but for some reason people are believing the rubbish being spouted on there.
I don't know whether he'll end up signing. I hope he does but I have lost confidence as I thought we'd have heard something by now.
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Nov 19, 2014 19:36:34 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 19:36:34 GMT
Without wishing to offend anyone who may or may not have a source, it seems as though everyone got wind of the same information (rumour) on Sunday/Monday and because a deal hasn't been confirmed like they implied was likely to happen they have had to change their story. The 'it's still possible' or 'it's 50/50' covers their back perfectly because regardless of the outcome they can say they didn't commit one way or the other. The rumours on Twitter, for example, are people frantically trying to be creative with what is happening with the deal when the reality is they know absolutely nothing. That Rovers chat (?) account is no more in the know than you or I but for some reason people are believing the rubbish being spouted on there. I don't know whether he'll end up signing. I hope he does but I have lost confidence as I thought we'd have heard something by now. I knew trough a ex player who is a friend of his, although I do wish I never mentioned it as it is second hand info. its the last time I'll mention it.
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Nov 19, 2014 19:58:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 19:58:52 GMT
Hi Brizzle, being at the midway point between whipper snapper and checking out of the planet as an old man I recall Ollies playing days with us well. I say remember well, however I had completely forgotten about the QPR debacle and the way in which he acted back then. I am a fan as I like the and share the way he's lived and worked with his heart on his sleeve, a few things said have tainted that, overall he is a good guy and we have all made mistakes, certainly not the messiah some make out but a great character in a sport where characters seem to be fewer and far between in comparison to a few decades ago. A very well-balanced post if I may say so 1986gas, a lesson to us all there. As you quite rightly say we have all made mistakes, which is why my original post was so generous to Ian Holloway. The fact is that he was good for us, and vice versa, but the catalyst was Gerry Francis because without him I don't feel that Holloway would have flourished in the way that he did. When Francis brought him back to the club Holloway was still recovering from a debilitating illness, but under the managers care he went on to produce on the pitch what we now know he was always capable of. And not only that, but he has built on it by using his own personality. But whilst we're taking a walk down Memory Lane, just let me tell you what I believe to be the biggest gaffe in recent BRFC history. It was at the time that Geoff Dunford put the club up for sale, but without an asking price being attached. It was reported that Alan Sugar was interested, and spoke to the Chairman. Apparently it was his intention to purchase the club together with Gerry Francis (remember their link-up at Spurs, where Sugar had been the owner and Francis the manager), and it would have been the responsibility of Francis to run the club on a day-to-day basis. It would have been logical that at some time Holloway would have been introduced onto the scene. But as we all know that was not to be, but for the supporters it would have provided us with a golden opportunity for the big time. To me it always seemed like greedy and muddled thinking had lost us the chance of substantial backing. As regards Holloway's stint as Manager, it has always been my opinion that he was given every backing as regards funds being made available for players. It is also my opinion that he didn't spend those funds as wisely as he could have done. But somewhere in here lies the basis of his perceived animosity towards BRFC. In any event by the time that he departed it was reported that the club were in financial difficulties, so whether it was down to him or the Board is a moot point really. Personally I think that he managed us too early in his managerial career, and that he made all his mistakes with us and learnt from them, to the advantage of clubs that he managed later in his career . . . not entirely successfully by the way, but that's another story. But I will agree with you, that he does have a certain something about him when faced with a television camera. Have you considered writing a book about Ian Holloway, Brizzle?!
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Nov 19, 2014 20:01:53 GMT
Post by brizzle on Nov 19, 2014 20:01:53 GMT
A very well-balanced post if I may say so 1986gas, a lesson to us all there. As you quite rightly say we have all made mistakes, which is why my original post was so generous to Ian Holloway. The fact is that he was good for us, and vice versa, but the catalyst was Gerry Francis because without him I don't feel that Holloway would have flourished in the way that he did. When Francis brought him back to the club Holloway was still recovering from a debilitating illness, but under the managers care he went on to produce on the pitch what we now know he was always capable of. And not only that, but he has built on it by using his own personality. But whilst we're taking a walk down Memory Lane, just let me tell you what I believe to be the biggest gaffe in recent BRFC history. It was at the time that Geoff Dunford put the club up for sale, but without an asking price being attached. It was reported that Alan Sugar was interested, and spoke to the Chairman. Apparently it was his intention to purchase the club together with Gerry Francis (remember their link-up at Spurs, where Sugar had been the owner and Francis the manager), and it would have been the responsibility of Francis to run the club on a day-to-day basis. It would have been logical that at some time Holloway would have been introduced onto the scene. But as we all know that was not to be, but for the supporters it would have provided us with a golden opportunity for the big time. To me it always seemed like greedy and muddled thinking had lost us the chance of substantial backing. As regards Holloway's stint as Manager, it has always been my opinion that he was given every backing as regards funds being made available for players. It is also my opinion that he didn't spend those funds as wisely as he could have done. But somewhere in here lies the basis of his perceived animosity towards BRFC. In any event by the time that he departed it was reported that the club were in financial difficulties, so whether it was down to him or the Board is a moot point really. Personally I think that he managed us too early in his managerial career, and that he made all his mistakes with us and learnt from them, to the advantage of clubs that he managed later in his career . . . not entirely successfully by the way, but that's another story. But I will agree with you, that he does have a certain something about him when faced with a television camera. Have you considered writing a book about Ian Holloway, Brizzle?! He beat me to it, the little rascal.
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Nov 19, 2014 20:27:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 20:27:48 GMT
This thread needs an update on the Easter-o-meter. 50/50? 60/40? 80/20 and nearing the full chocolate egg? Have our hopes been crucified or is a resurrection on the horizon? We need more unsubstantiated rumour dammit!
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Nov 19, 2014 20:59:59 GMT
Post by crater on Nov 19, 2014 20:59:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 22:18:52 GMT
Hi Brizzle, being at the midway point between whipper snapper and checking out of the planet as an old man I recall Ollies playing days with us well. I say remember well, however I had completely forgotten about the QPR debacle and the way in which he acted back then. I am a fan as I like the and share the way he's lived and worked with his heart on his sleeve, a few things said have tainted that, overall he is a good guy and we have all made mistakes, certainly not the messiah some make out but a great character in a sport where characters seem to be fewer and far between in comparison to a few decades ago. A very well-balanced post if I may say so 1986gas, a lesson to us all there. As you quite rightly say we have all made mistakes, which is why my original post was so generous to Ian Holloway. The fact is that he was good for us, and vice versa, but the catalyst was Gerry Francis because without him I don't feel that Holloway would have flourished in the way that he did. When Francis brought him back to the club Holloway was still recovering from a debilitating illness, but under the managers care he went on to produce on the pitch what we now know he was always capable of. And not only that, but he has built on it by using his own personality. But whilst we're taking a walk down Memory Lane, just let me tell you what I believe to be the biggest gaffe in recent BRFC history. It was at the time that Geoff Dunford put the club up for sale, but without an asking price being attached. It was reported that Alan Sugar was interested, and spoke to the Chairman. Apparently it was his intention to purchase the club together with Gerry Francis (remember their link-up at Spurs, where Sugar had been the owner and Francis the manager), and it would have been the responsibility of Francis to run the club on a day-to-day basis. It would have been logical that at some time Holloway would have been introduced onto the scene. But as we all know that was not to be, but for the supporters it would have provided us with a golden opportunity for the big time. To me it always seemed like greedy and muddled thinking had lost us the chance of substantial backing. As regards Holloway's stint as Manager, it has always been my opinion that he was given every backing as regards funds being made available for players. It is also my opinion that he didn't spend those funds as wisely as he could have done. But somewhere in here lies the basis of his perceived animosity towards BRFC. In any event by the time that he departed it was reported that the club were in financial difficulties, so whether it was down to him or the Board is a moot point really. Personally I think that he managed us too early in his managerial career, and that he made all his mistakes with us and learnt from them, to the advantage of clubs that he managed later in his career . . . not entirely successfully by the way, but that's another story. But I will agree with you, that he does have a certain something about him when faced with a television camera. You are certainly someone with a great memory and sense of realism of what has factually happened in the past Brizzle! Alas revisiting the Alan Sugar moment is painful, way beyond the feeling that Bullseye contestants got when Jim Bowen use to coin the famous phrase, let's take a look at what you could have won. Took years to accept the way the club was being run for self gain pushing aside a golden opportunity for the club to really flourish in experienced hands, still leaves a nauseous feeling but thankfully the bitterness has gone, a case of having to let go. Since the first game I watched at Eastville in 86 so many friendships have been made, some for life, but there is one issue that sits uncomfortably and that is a vast majority feeling of accepting mediocrity, with many proud even in 2014 of the ragbag reputation. One thing that always gets friends boss eyed or at least used to was daring to talk about ambition, a bit like the Fawlty Towers sketch with the Germans, "whatever you do don't mention the war"!!! I feel for the young fan these days and no longer force the kids down to BS7, likewise I keep tabs on here and do the ocassional game but the season tickets days are long gone as is regular games, the ball is more oval than round these days and life is easier as a result!
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Post by davehuddscousin on Nov 20, 2014 1:22:36 GMT
So whats the appeal of the Rugby Union for a former dedicated Gashead like you? I see a couple of Bristol Rugby games a season with mates, but generally I find it a stop/start game with too many scrappy pile ups leading to penalties for offences you can't see properly. I can see the appeal of Rugby League, and the USA v Cook Islands game at the Mem last year was a good night out but RU at second division level is nothing special. Certainly not worth giving up the Gas for!
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Nov 20, 2014 8:51:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 8:51:40 GMT
So whats the appeal of the Rugby Union for a former dedicated Gashead like you? I see a couple of Bristol Rugby games a season with mates, but generally I find it a stop/start game with too many scrappy pile ups leading to penalties for offences you can't see properly. I can see the appeal of Rugby League, and the USA v Cook Islands game at the Mem last year was a good night out but RU at second division level is nothing special. Certainly not worth giving up the Gas for! It has always been in the blood, played up until 21 and one wet sunday morning I got an injury that required surgery that was that. I've also watched league (just the once) challenge cup final at Wembley, plenty of Bristol games until Lansdown took over. My lad also plays on a Sunday at a good standard. My attraction to the game from day one was the physical side of the sport, always found it a great game to play to get the built up aggression as a kid released without getting carded! The togetherness in being part of a club (as a player) or now parent of a player has never changed, the social side is great fun with tours and charity evenings. But the one thing that has become more apparent as footie is changing so much in recent years is the honesty, never seen anyone trying to con the ref,talk back to the ref or feign injury. I think like football if you have played at any level then to watch gives you an appreciation of what those boys (especially the forwards) go through in 80 minutes. All said and done the highs at Rovers are and will always be more memorable as their is a tipping point close to pandemonium albeit rarely at football that rugby just can't produce IMO.
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Nov 20, 2014 9:15:55 GMT
Post by dido on Nov 20, 2014 9:15:55 GMT
Bloodgate?
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Nov 20, 2014 9:31:16 GMT
Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 20, 2014 9:31:16 GMT
That was soccer style blood. No true Rugby player would ever do anything like that.
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Nov 20, 2014 9:37:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 9:37:40 GMT
Thats one example in past 30 years, watch MOTD on a Saturday night and the show is littered with dives and rolling about after an imaginary gun shot to the back of the head, can't remember the pundit that recently said we have to accept it's now part of the game.
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Nov 20, 2014 9:41:14 GMT
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Post by milesy1983 on Nov 20, 2014 9:41:14 GMT
It' says on wiki he is now at rovers on loan,bit confused!!
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Nov 20, 2014 9:42:14 GMT
No-one trying to con the referee in rugby? The whole game is about conning the referee. The difference is when you get caught you don't argue the toss about being innocent but hold your hands up to a fair cop and get on with the game
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Nov 20, 2014 9:54:56 GMT
Post by lockleazer on Nov 20, 2014 9:54:56 GMT
It' says on wiki he is now at rovers on loan,bit confused!! thats someone trying to be funny... anyone can change wiki to whatever you want
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Nov 20, 2014 12:58:55 GMT
Post by LJG on Nov 20, 2014 12:58:55 GMT
Hi Brizzle, being at the midway point between whipper snapper and checking out of the planet as an old man I recall Ollies playing days with us well. I say remember well, however I had completely forgotten about the QPR debacle and the way in which he acted back then. I am a fan as I like the and share the way he's lived and worked with his heart on his sleeve, a few things said have tainted that, overall he is a good guy and we have all made mistakes, certainly not the messiah some make out but a great character in a sport where characters seem to be fewer and far between in comparison to a few decades ago. A very well-balanced post if I may say so 1986gas, a lesson to us all there. As you quite rightly say we have all made mistakes, which is why my original post was so generous to Ian Holloway. The fact is that he was good for us, and vice versa, but the catalyst was Gerry Francis because without him I don't feel that Holloway would have flourished in the way that he did. When Francis brought him back to the club Holloway was still recovering from a debilitating illness, but under the managers care he went on to produce on the pitch what we now know he was always capable of. And not only that, but he has built on it by using his own personality. But whilst we're taking a walk down Memory Lane, just let me tell you what I believe to be the biggest gaffe in recent BRFC history. It was at the time that Geoff Dunford put the club up for sale, but without an asking price being attached. It was reported that Alan Sugar was interested, and spoke to the Chairman. Apparently it was his intention to purchase the club together with Gerry Francis (remember their link-up at Spurs, where Sugar had been the owner and Francis the manager), and it would have been the responsibility of Francis to run the club on a day-to-day basis. It would have been logical that at some time Holloway would have been introduced onto the scene. But as we all know that was not to be, but for the supporters it would have provided us with a golden opportunity for the big time. To me it always seemed like greedy and muddled thinking had lost us the chance of substantial backing. As regards Holloway's stint as Manager, it has always been my opinion that he was given every backing as regards funds being made available for players. It is also my opinion that he didn't spend those funds as wisely as he could have done. But somewhere in here lies the basis of his perceived animosity towards BRFC. In any event by the time that he departed it was reported that the club were in financial difficulties, so whether it was down to him or the Board is a moot point really. Personally I think that he managed us too early in his managerial career, and that he made all his mistakes with us and learnt from them, to the advantage of clubs that he managed later in his career . . . not entirely successfully by the way, but that's another story. But I will agree with you, that he does have a certain something about him when faced with a television camera. Is the Alan Sugar thing common knowledge? I've never heard it before.
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