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Nov 18, 2014 17:41:00 GMT
Post by gasgomarchingin on Nov 18, 2014 17:41:00 GMT
Easter will come..... on 5th April - with 4 matches to go before the end of the season 1st April is more likely...
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brizzle
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Nov 18, 2014 17:49:55 GMT
Post by brizzle on Nov 18, 2014 17:49:55 GMT
That may well be the case 1986gas, who knows eh? Most certainly we all have differing views on virtually everything under the sun, so why should this be any different. But I suppose that it all comes down to an individuals own perspective of events, based on his personal knowledge of occurrences and history. That's why he is regarded as a hero to some, but not all. Television interviews have a lot to answer for. I hear what you are saying Brizzle, not everything is always as it seems and crystal clear, aside from individual opinions on Ollie though, one thing that can't really be disregarded is he wanted those around him to be as ambitious as he was back then, but he didn't seem to realise that those around him didn't have the financial resources or desire to attempt to take Rovers to a new level, for me that was when he fell out of love for Rovers. The worst interview of all and I remember it like it was yesterday, when he said, and I quote as near as damn to his words back then '' If the fans think they want promotion badly then believe me the players want it 10 times more'' personally I took that as the most insulting thing any manager has said about Rovers fans (and that includes Buckles lower expectation as I believe he had a point, and still does), I wrote to Ollie saying where do you think the likes of Roberts Cureton etc will be in 12 months and where will the fans be ? Within about 6 months our free scoring strike force were gone, not in a dignified way if you recall as both strikers were unprofessional in terms of application when particularly Uncle Cyril couldn't get JR off to WBA as soon as he would have liked at a price they wanted. So yes as you rightly point out interview are not always a true reflection of the person, except for Mr Higgs, his words and actions, or lack of match perfectly! Excellent post 1986. I've read it and re-read it several times now, and I applaud you for your efforts and insight. The only thing that I would add, and I really don't mean it in a disparaging way, is that Ollie's life didn't begin in the late 1990s. He was about long before that in a playing capacity, and a damn fine player he was too by the way. But there were always signs that his personal ambition would far outweigh his self-professed ''love'' for BRFC. To put it crudely he was always aiming for the top, and if he could take BRFC with him then all well and good, but if not, well . . . ? There's nothing wrong with that by the way, everyone should have some ambition. But some of his actions and comments have stuck in the craw of some of the older supporters, who remember him not only as a successful manager and TV pundit, but as a squad player with BRFC who has shown little regard for the club or its supporters on occasions. If I could briefly point out one example of this behaviour, it was when Gerry Francis left Rovers to join QPR as their manager. Probably because of their close professional relationship Holloway almost immediately became unsettled at Rovers, and took himself off to London where he negotiated and signed a playing contract with QPR, But the problem was that he was still under contract to BRFC, and clearly no player can be under contract to two clubs at the same time. When all of this became public Francis said that he was ''embarrassed'' at events, and told Holloway to sort it out. In the event he left Rovers for QPR and Rovers were compensated, but it did leave a sour taste that's for sure. But remember that all of this occurred long before his time as the manager of BRFC, and for some his previous behaviour must have coloured their views. It most certainly coloured mine.
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Nov 18, 2014 19:27:33 GMT
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Post by Isaac Hunt on Nov 18, 2014 19:27:33 GMT
Tell me you're not taking anything that joker says seriously? Keith Chimp doesn't exist, it's a parody by a fan... He does exist you fool Ok... That fella exists clearly but he's never been a director and it is a parody account...
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Nov 18, 2014 19:34:16 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Nov 18, 2014 19:34:16 GMT
Isaac, are you Mike's brother?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 18, 2014 19:40:48 GMT
I don't get all this we might be signing Easter hype. If there are teams in league 1 and 2 showing an interest why drop out of the FL to come to us? I don't buy the wanting to be closer to home explanation as there are alternatives to Bristol. If I'm wrong I'll eat my own pants. Which league clubs with a bigger wage budget than us are near Cardiff? Probably not Swindon or Newport if he does genuiningly want to move home we could be the only real choice. Although this could have been just a chat between old teammates which should have never made the media? Problem is has Manc suggests when there's all this hype about signing a player when does it ever work out at Rovers? certainly not Constable, JJOT & Gow just in the last few seasons!
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Nov 18, 2014 19:54:36 GMT
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Post by ellington on Nov 18, 2014 19:54:36 GMT
I don't get all this we might be signing Easter hype. If there are teams in league 1 and 2 showing an interest why drop out of the FL to come to us? I don't buy the wanting to be closer to home explanation as there are alternatives to Bristol. If I'm wrong I'll eat my own pants. Which league clubs with a bigger wage budget than us are near Cardiff? Probably not Swindon or Newport if he does genuiningly want to move home we could be the only real choice. Although this could have been just a chat between old teammates which should have never made the media? Problem is has Manc suggests when there's all this hype about signing a player when does it ever work out at Rovers? certainly not Constable, JJOT & Gow just in the last few seasons! Definitely Swindon , probably Newport , Cheltenham and forest green
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Nov 18, 2014 19:55:28 GMT
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Post by ellington on Nov 18, 2014 19:55:28 GMT
Which league clubs with a bigger wage budget than us are near Cardiff? Probably not Swindon or Newport if he does genuiningly want to move home we could be the only real choice. Although this could have been just a chat between old teammates which should have never made the media? Problem is has Manc suggests when there's all this hype about signing a player when does it ever work out at Rovers? certainly not Constable, JJOT & Gow just in the last few seasons! Definitely Swindon , probably Newport , and Cheltenham
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Nov 18, 2014 20:33:39 GMT
Post by Nobbygas on Nov 18, 2014 20:33:39 GMT
The last player we signed who wanted to be closer to home (Plymouth) was Mickey Evans. That turned out well eh?
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Nov 18, 2014 20:36:07 GMT
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Post by ellington on Nov 18, 2014 20:36:07 GMT
The last player we signed who wanted to be closer to home (Plymouth) was Mickey Evans. That turned out well eh? We'd of been better off signing lee Evans , and he's closer to home
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 18, 2014 21:06:05 GMT
Which league clubs with a bigger wage budget than us are near Cardiff? Probably not Swindon or Newport if he does genuiningly want to move home we could be the only real choice. Although this could have been just a chat between old teammates which should have never made the media? Problem is has Manc suggests when there's all this hype about signing a player when does it ever work out at Rovers? certainly not Constable, JJOT & Gow just in the last few seasons! Definitely Swindon , proably Newport , Cheltenham and forest green Swindon's wage budget is similar to ours this season and I doubt they need a striker, I doubt the likes Newport, Cheltenham or FGR are seen as bigger clubs than us given our average home gates. Started to think there might some milage in this story as surely Ollie would have come out and dismissed it by now if it wasn't given it's made the BBC website?
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Nov 18, 2014 21:09:32 GMT
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Post by ellington on Nov 18, 2014 21:09:32 GMT
Definitely Swindon , proably Newport , Cheltenham and forest green Swindon's wage budget is similar to ours this season and I doubt they need a striker, I doubt the likes Newport, Cheltenham or FGR are seen as bigger clubs than us given our average home gates. Started to think there might some milage in this story as surely Ollie would have come out and dismissed it by now if it wasn't given it's made the BBC website? Not bigger clubs obviously not but based on our wage budget of £750k I suspect theirs is bigger
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Nov 18, 2014 21:10:34 GMT
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Post by ellington on Nov 18, 2014 21:10:34 GMT
Definitely Swindon , proably Newport , Cheltenham and forest green Swindon's wage budget is similar to ours this season and I doubt they need a striker, I doubt the likes Newport, Cheltenham or FGR are seen as bigger clubs than us given our average home gates. Started to think there might some milage in this story as surely Ollie would have come out and dismissed it by now if it wasn't given it's made the BBC website? I hope Easter comes early by the way
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Nov 19, 2014 6:07:28 GMT
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Post by Isaac Hunt on Nov 19, 2014 6:07:28 GMT
Isaac, are you Mike's brother? Yep, twins.
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Nov 19, 2014 6:40:07 GMT
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Post by Captain Jayho on Nov 19, 2014 6:40:07 GMT
Isaac, are you Mike's brother? Yep, twins. As someone with the surname Hunt can I just point out that those are the lamest gags ever! Maybe don't give up the day jobs quite yet...
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Nov 19, 2014 8:36:18 GMT
Post by dinsdale on Nov 19, 2014 8:36:18 GMT
Swindon's wage budget is similar to ours this season and I doubt they need a striker, I doubt the likes Newport, Cheltenham or FGR are seen as bigger clubs than us given our average home gates. Started to think there might some milage in this story as surely Ollie would have come out and dismissed it by now if it wasn't given it's made the BBC website? Not bigger clubs obviously not but based on our wage budget of £750k I suspect theirs is bigger aside thats not our wage budget
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Nov 19, 2014 8:42:52 GMT
Post by faggotygas on Nov 19, 2014 8:42:52 GMT
Swindon's wage budget is similar to ours this season and I doubt they need a striker, I doubt the likes Newport, Cheltenham or FGR are seen as bigger clubs than us given our average home gates. Started to think there might some milage in this story as surely Ollie would have come out and dismissed it by now if it wasn't given it's made the BBC website? I hope Easter comes early by the way His wife doesn't
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Nov 19, 2014 8:45:49 GMT
Post by LJG on Nov 19, 2014 8:45:49 GMT
I hear what you are saying Brizzle, not everything is always as it seems and crystal clear, aside from individual opinions on Ollie though, one thing that can't really be disregarded is he wanted those around him to be as ambitious as he was back then, but he didn't seem to realise that those around him didn't have the financial resources or desire to attempt to take Rovers to a new level, for me that was when he fell out of love for Rovers. The worst interview of all and I remember it like it was yesterday, when he said, and I quote as near as damn to his words back then '' If the fans think they want promotion badly then believe me the players want it 10 times more'' personally I took that as the most insulting thing any manager has said about Rovers fans (and that includes Buckles lower expectation as I believe he had a point, and still does), I wrote to Ollie saying where do you think the likes of Roberts Cureton etc will be in 12 months and where will the fans be ? Within about 6 months our free scoring strike force were gone, not in a dignified way if you recall as both strikers were unprofessional in terms of application when particularly Uncle Cyril couldn't get JR off to WBA as soon as he would have liked at a price they wanted. So yes as you rightly point out interview are not always a true reflection of the person, except for Mr Higgs, his words and actions, or lack of match perfectly! Excellent post 1986. I've read it and re-read it several times now, and I applaud you for your efforts and insight. The only thing that I would add, and I really don't mean it in a disparaging way, is that Ollie's life didn't begin in the late 1990s. He was about long before that in a playing capacity, and a damn fine player he was too by the way. But there were always signs that his personal ambition would far outweigh his self-professed ''love'' for BRFC. To put it crudely he was always aiming for the top, and if he could take BRFC with him then all well and good, but if not, well . . . ? There's nothing wrong with that by the way, everyone should have some ambition. But some of his actions and comments have stuck in the craw of some of the older supporters, who remember him not only as a successful manager and TV pundit, but as a squad player with BRFC who has shown little regard for the club or its supporters on occasions. If I could briefly point out one example of this behaviour, it was when Gerry Francis left Rovers to join QPR as their manager. Probably because of their close professional relationship Holloway almost immediately became unsettled at Rovers, and took himself off to London where he negotiated and signed a playing contract with QPR, But the problem was that he was still under contract to BRFC, and clearly no player can be under contract to two clubs at the same time. When all of this became public Francis said that he was ''embarrassed'' at events, and told Holloway to sort it out. In the event he left Rovers for QPR and Rovers were compensated, but it did leave a sour taste that's for sure. But remember that all of this occurred long before his time as the manager of BRFC, and for some his previous behaviour must have coloured their views. It most certainly coloured mine. This sort of thing has always confused me - the clue is in the words "professional footballer"; it's their profession. Why is professional ambition for them any different to you or I? I'll serve my employer or my professional associates perfectly well during that time but no one else is going to advance me as an individual I have to do that myself. I can be very fond of former employers or clients and try to send work or advice their way when I can but to say that unless I stay in a place that is not advancing me as best it can I am disloyal is just b0ll0cks. If we all stayed put at jobs where the people were nice I'd still be working Sundays stacking the shelves at Waitrose.
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Nov 19, 2014 9:22:48 GMT
Post by fanatical on Nov 19, 2014 9:22:48 GMT
Welcome aboard the ''Good Ship Realism.''I don't agree that the deal will necessarily die though, it probably depends on his mood. But I agree that he won't feel the need to go out of his way to assist BRFC. The problem that Olly has isn't with bristol rovers per se, the problem he has is with the powers that be. Unfortunately they amount to the same thing - many of us have a problem with 'the powers that be' but we still do all we can to help Bristol Rovers and Ollie owes more to BRFC than the club owes him.
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Nov 19, 2014 10:54:14 GMT
Post by faggotygas on Nov 19, 2014 10:54:14 GMT
Excellent post 1986. I've read it and re-read it several times now, and I applaud you for your efforts and insight. The only thing that I would add, and I really don't mean it in a disparaging way, is that Ollie's life didn't begin in the late 1990s. He was about long before that in a playing capacity, and a damn fine player he was too by the way. But there were always signs that his personal ambition would far outweigh his self-professed ''love'' for BRFC. To put it crudely he was always aiming for the top, and if he could take BRFC with him then all well and good, but if not, well . . . ? There's nothing wrong with that by the way, everyone should have some ambition. But some of his actions and comments have stuck in the craw of some of the older supporters, who remember him not only as a successful manager and TV pundit, but as a squad player with BRFC who has shown little regard for the club or its supporters on occasions. If I could briefly point out one example of this behaviour, it was when Gerry Francis left Rovers to join QPR as their manager. Probably because of their close professional relationship Holloway almost immediately became unsettled at Rovers, and took himself off to London where he negotiated and signed a playing contract with QPR, But the problem was that he was still under contract to BRFC, and clearly no player can be under contract to two clubs at the same time. When all of this became public Francis said that he was ''embarrassed'' at events, and told Holloway to sort it out. In the event he left Rovers for QPR and Rovers were compensated, but it did leave a sour taste that's for sure. But remember that all of this occurred long before his time as the manager of BRFC, and for some his previous behaviour must have coloured their views. It most certainly coloured mine. This sort of thing has always confused me - the clue is in the words "professional footballer"; it's their profession. Why is professional ambition for them any different to you or I? I'll serve my employer or my professional associates perfectly well during that time but no one else is going to advance me as an individual I have to do that myself. I can be very fond of former employers or clients and try to send work or advice their way when I can but to say that unless I stay in a place that is not advancing me as best it can I am disloyal is just b0ll0cks. If we all stayed put at jobs where the people were nice I'd still be working Sundays stacking the shelves at Waitrose. I think the problem is when they profess undying love for the club, then don't walk the walk.
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Nov 19, 2014 11:47:58 GMT
Post by LJG on Nov 19, 2014 11:47:58 GMT
This sort of thing has always confused me - the clue is in the words "professional footballer"; it's their profession. Why is professional ambition for them any different to you or I? I'll serve my employer or my professional associates perfectly well during that time but no one else is going to advance me as an individual I have to do that myself. I can be very fond of former employers or clients and try to send work or advice their way when I can but to say that unless I stay in a place that is not advancing me as best it can I am disloyal is just b0ll0cks. If we all stayed put at jobs where the people were nice I'd still be working Sundays stacking the shelves at Waitrose. I think the problem is when they profess undying love for the club, then don't walk the walk. I don't think Ollie's done that. He's pretty pragmatic about it in his book. He's sentimental sure, but why wouldn't you be? He's also pretty clear that he'll never have any association with BRFC whatsoever ever again.
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