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Post by gasparilla on Nov 6, 2014 16:05:42 GMT
Dc is chasing Matt Tubbs & Lee Hughes from Bournemouth & Forest Green according to the back of todays paper edition of the post The hughes thing opens a huge can of worms... Tubbs would be a great signing but not available till Jan, hughes possibly available now for me Hughes is a NO Hughes is a no for me - Bristol Rovers are better than that. Yes he may have done his time but if you are in the public eye and a role model - this requires a higher standard.
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Post by warmleygas on Nov 6, 2014 16:07:54 GMT
So LJG is a tax accountant and faggotygas a revenue inspector? Lol
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Post by LJG on Nov 6, 2014 16:15:05 GMT
So LJG is a tax accountant and faggotygas a revenue inspector? Lol Ha, not an accountant thankfully. I've thought for a while that faggoty and I probably have very similar jobs.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 6, 2014 17:18:08 GMT
You think that Lansdown lives in the Channel Islands purely for the milk and the baggettes? There are some good restaurants on Guernsey but it isn't very big and is boring once you have been there a few days I assure you.....
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 6, 2014 17:21:45 GMT
Which he will have paid tax for while he was resident here. That's how it works isn't it? Use it - pay for it. Move abroad and don't use it - don't pay for it. His resident business interests will pay be charged their contribution towards the infrastructure they utilise via Corporation Tax. That's why we have the residency rules - so that people who aren't resident who are not using the infrastructure aren't taxed for it's use surely? The corporation tax argument is a straw man, so lets get that out of the way. Just because he effectively pays some tax, doesn't mean he shouldn't pay all of the tax that is his due. Regarding the residency rules - can you not see that there's a clear moral difference between becoming non-resident because you genuinely want to live in another country, and becoming non-resident purely to pay less tax? Taxation is levied (or should be levied) in proportion to a person's ability to pay, that's a fundamental moral principle. Lansdown has broken that link. So we should send back all the French who came here to pay 50% tax in order to avoid paying 75% top rate in France then?
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Post by 1883 on Nov 6, 2014 17:23:01 GMT
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Post by nomorefaith on Nov 6, 2014 17:23:04 GMT
If rovers signs lee Hughes i will not put anymore money into higgs pockets, not sure he would do a job at rovers anyway well past his sell by date
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 6, 2014 17:27:06 GMT
So LJG is a tax accountant and faggotygas a revenue inspector? Lol Ha, not an accountant thankfully. I've thought for a while that faggoty and I probably have very similar jobs. I'll let you wonder about that one!
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 6, 2014 17:37:18 GMT
The corporation tax argument is a straw man, so lets get that out of the way. Just because he effectively pays some tax, doesn't mean he shouldn't pay all of the tax that is his due. Regarding the residency rules - can you not see that there's a clear moral difference between becoming non-resident because you genuinely want to live in another country, and becoming non-resident purely to pay less tax? Taxation is levied (or should be levied) in proportion to a person's ability to pay, that's a fundamental moral principle. Lansdown has broken that link. I can't agree I'm afraid. I can't see that the Corporation Tax point is a straw man - the opposite in fact. I think ignoring it to make a subjective point on morality is the straw man. The tax is met as it objectively falls due. There has to be a causal link between the charge and the duty to pay surely? Why does the motive toward becoming non-resident have to be factoral? Otherwise why not make the statutory test a moral one? Or at least a subjective one - in fact we do - FA 2013 has a general anti-avoidance rule which says it can discount contrived steps used to avoid tax if they can not reasonably regarded as reasonable steps. If he's not even caught by that how much further can you go? Bloody hell ... sorry ... last week my Mrs said "Do you love those Yellow books more than you love me"? I don't. I think there is a causal link, it just stretches further back than the current tax year. My issue is that wealthy people moving to tax havens obviously disproportionately benefits the wealthy and negatively affects the UK tax take, not necessarily the case for those that become non resident for other reasons, which should overall be cost neutral. Therefore this is a deliberate attempt to break the link to ability to pay, a moral principle. You undoubtedly know more about the legal standpoint than me, but I can only imagine the reason that this isn't illegal already is that it would disproportionately restrict the subjects other rights, eg freedom of movement
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 6, 2014 17:45:13 GMT
It is sad that people are more concerned about a City82er's tax avoidance and a signing we probably won't ever make than an excellent signing we have made ~ what's his name now??
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Post by Blue Mist on Nov 6, 2014 17:47:59 GMT
I can't agree I'm afraid. I can't see that the Corporation Tax point is a straw man - the opposite in fact. I think ignoring it to make a subjective point on morality is the straw man. The tax is met as it objectively falls due. There has to be a causal link between the charge and the duty to pay surely? Why does the motive toward becoming non-resident have to be factoral? Otherwise why not make the statutory test a moral one? Or at least a subjective one - in fact we do - FA 2013 has a general anti-avoidance rule which says it can discount contrived steps used to avoid tax if they can not reasonably regarded as reasonable steps. If he's not even caught by that how much further can you go? Bloody hell ... sorry ... last week my Mrs said "Do you love those Yellow books more than you love me"? I don't. I think there is a causal link, it just stretches further back than the current tax year. My issue is that wealthy people moving to tax havens obviously disproportionately benefits the wealthy and negatively affects the UK tax take, not necessarily the case for those that become non resident for other reasons, which should overall be cost neutral. Therefore this is a deliberate attempt to break the link to ability to pay, a moral principle. You undoubtedly know more about the legal standpoint than me, but I can only imagine the reason that this isn't illegal already is that it would disproportionately restrict the subjects other rights, eg freedom of movement
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 6, 2014 18:09:25 GMT
I think there is a causal link, it just stretches further back than the current tax year. My issue is that wealthy people moving to tax havens obviously disproportionately benefits the wealthy and negatively affects the UK tax take, not necessarily the case for those that become non resident for other reasons, which should overall be cost neutral. Therefore this is a deliberate attempt to break the link to ability to pay, a moral principle. You undoubtedly know more about the legal standpoint than me, but I can only imagine the reason that this isn't illegal already is that it would disproportionately restrict the subjects other rights, eg freedom of movement You are quite correct, we should really have called each other **** by now
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Post by LJG on Nov 6, 2014 18:09:34 GMT
It is sad that people are more concerned about a City82er's tax avoidance and a signing we probably won't ever make than an excellent signing we have made ~ what's his name now?? Plenty of D-V chat in my posts above.
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 6, 2014 18:12:40 GMT
It is sad that people are more concerned about a City82er's tax avoidance and a signing we probably won't ever make than an excellent signing we have made ~ what's his name now?? To be fair, there isn't much to discuss with that one, other than we've made a signing - yay
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Post by Two Headed Sex Beast on Nov 6, 2014 19:08:10 GMT
Lee Hughes is a **** and the first ever Rovers player I'd despise before he even kicks a ball.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 6, 2014 19:18:48 GMT
Lets say Hughes does join .... scores 10 goals in ten games and the Gas close right up on Barnet .... Wonder how many high horses will be parading around the forum then .... That's what's called hypocrisy. And your scenario is possible. But say Hughes does join....scores 0 goals in 10 games and becomes a flop like so many others. That too is possible. Why take the risk? Are the board, managerial staff, supporters and financial contributors really that desperate to risk reputation? There are other options than Hughes. I wonder if sponsorship would be pulled on his signing?
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 6, 2014 19:47:36 GMT
Lets say Hughes does join .... scores 10 goals in ten games and the Gas close right up on Barnet .... Wonder how many high horses will be parading around the forum then .... That's what's called hypocrisy. And your scenario is possible. But say Hughes does join....scores 0 goals in 10 games and becomes a flop like so many others. That too is possible. Why take the risk? Are the board, managerial staff, supporters and financial contributors really that desperate to risk reputation? There are other options than Hughes. I wonder if sponsorship would be pulled on his signing? Tricky one for me this Hughes stuff. The lefty liberal in me says that rehabilitation is possible, everyone deserves another chance etc. The father of 2 in me says something else.
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Post by nit3owl64 on Nov 6, 2014 19:56:50 GMT
See we have been warned im trembling in me boots
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 6, 2014 20:10:27 GMT
Lets say Hughes does join .... scores 10 goals in ten games and the Gas close right up on Barnet .... Wonder how many high horses will be parading around the forum then .... That's what's called hypocrisy. And your scenario is possible. But say Hughes does join....scores 0 goals in 10 games and becomes a flop like so many others. That too is possible. Why take the risk? Are the board, managerial staff, supporters and financial contributors really that desperate to risk reputation? There are other options than Hughes. I qwonder if sponsorship would be pulled on his signing? It's easy to say there are other options but given the fact we've been trying to sign an experienced goal scorer since before Constable turned us down they are clearly not easy to sign. Hughes has got 6 goals already this season, compared to Taylor's 3, or just 1 if Hughes hasn't scored any pens. Although I'm still not sure why we didn't sign Cureton in the summer if we are now trying to sign 38 yr old Hughes?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 6, 2014 20:34:06 GMT
That's what's called hypocrisy. And your scenario is possible. But say Hughes does join....scores 0 goals in 10 games and becomes a flop like so many others. That too is possible. Why take the risk? Are the board, managerial staff, supporters and financial contributors really that desperate to risk reputation? There are other options than Hughes. I qwonder if sponsorship would be pulled on his signing? It's easy to say there are other options but given the fact we've been trying to sign an experienced goal scorer since before Constable turned us down they are clearly not easy to sign. Hughes has got 6 goals already this season, compared to Taylor's 3, or just 1 if Hughes hasn't scored any pens. Although I'm still not sure why we didn't sign Cureton in the summer if we are now trying to sign 38 yr old Hughes? I would much rather have Akinfattywa. Conscience would be clearer than a McDonalds outlet after he had been there...
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