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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:09:22 GMT
Not if they want to continue taking my money at the turnstile
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Post by LincsBlue on Jan 8, 2015 13:12:28 GMT
Afraid he'll have to start lower down the rung than Conference, probably below Conference North and South as well.....
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 8, 2015 13:14:21 GMT
The issue's a minefield and it's a distraction we don't need.
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Post by lostinspace on Jan 8, 2015 13:15:06 GMT
Oldham announce they WILL NOT be signing the player
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Post by brizzle on Jan 8, 2015 13:35:18 GMT
Oldham announce they WILL NOT be signing the player As another poster has said, the whole issue is a minefield. Putting to one side the rights and wrongs of the matter, it will be a very brave Chairman that will take a chance on signing the player. It would be a bit like putting your head in a noose and hoping for the best, because at that point you will no longer be in control of the situation, but hoping that everything will be OK. Interestingly Evans cannot even consider taking himself abroad in search of continuing his career, because the authorities have said that if he did so he would be in breach of the terms of his parole. And I don't think that his situation will improve even when his application to appeal is heard by the Criminal Case Review Commission, because even if he were successful he has been publicly tarred and feathered, and I think that public opinion will always raise its head where he is concerned irrespective.
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 8, 2015 13:37:54 GMT
Not sure if this is has been mentioned and will take any stick for posting this. But would it be wrong to look at signing him, he is a proven goal scorer and would be cheap on wages as he is just looking to play football again.
Just to clarify I don't condone what he has done and obviously his conviction is going to provoke controversy but from a footballing point of view worth a punt Footballers are role models on and off the pitch. If people are happy with others and kids celebrating and chanting the name of someone who was convicted of rape and refuses to acknowledge or apologise for his actions which sends out the wrong message of treatment of women then sign the guy up. I'm afraid many find this action as repulsive as any alleged action that he was convicted for. This is not my opinion it's just my understanding of why sponsors threatened to pull out of him signing for Sheff United or Oldham. I am sure Rovers wouldnt dare risk vital income from their sponsors or the gate money regardless of what goals he might score if he came - a very delicate debate.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 8, 2015 13:42:00 GMT
Yet 'sponsors' queue up to fund the latest Roman Polanski films? Graham Rix returned to football after serving time for doing the dirty with an underage girl? Footballers who have killed people are playing again. An actor who were convicted of murder appeared on national television in Eastenders..........yet not a peep from anyone?
Double standards anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 13:46:17 GMT
Not sure if this is has been mentioned and will take any stick for posting this. But would it be wrong to look at signing him, he is a proven goal scorer and would be cheap on wages as he is just looking to play football again.
Just to clarify I don't condone what he has done and obviously his conviction is going to provoke controversy but from a footballing point of view worth a punt Footballers are role models on and off the pitch. If people are happy with others and kids celebrating and chanting the name of someone who was convicted of rape and refuses to acknowledge or apologise for his actions which sends out the wrong message of treatment of women then sign the guy up. I'm afraid many find this action as repulsive as any alleged action that he was convicted for. This is not my opinion it's just my understanding of why sponsors threatened to pull out of him signing for Sheff United or Oldham. I am sure Rovers wouldnt dare risk vital income from their sponsors or the gate money regardless of what goals he might score if he came - a very delicate debate. You could say MP's are the ultimate role model, yet when they are caught with the hands in the expenses till and go to jail, they are soon back at work conning us tax payers again Why are they not pursued like Evans is ??
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 8, 2015 13:48:25 GMT
Not sure if this is has been mentioned and will take any stick for posting this. But would it be wrong to look at signing him, he is a proven goal scorer and would be cheap on wages as he is just looking to play football again.
Just to clarify I don't condone what he has done and obviously his conviction is going to provoke controversy but from a footballing point of view worth a punt Footballers are role models on and off the pitch. If people are happy with others and kids celebrating and chanting the name of someone who was convicted of rape and refuses to acknowledge or apologise for his actions which sends out the wrong message of treatment of women then sign the guy up. I'm afraid many find this action as repulsive as any alleged action that he was convicted for. This is not my opinion it's just my understanding of why sponsors threatened to pull out of him signing for Sheff United or Oldham. I am sure Rovers wouldnt dare risk vital income from their sponsors or the gate money regardless of what goals he might score if he came - a very delicate debate. Not saying for one minute Rovers should sign him but surely Lee Hughes, Pipe & now club captain(!) McCormick shouldn't have been allowed back on a football pitch having been convicted of serious crimes? Evans clearly can't apologise at present as the crime is still subject to a case review, if he apologises surely that destroys his defence?
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 8, 2015 13:55:39 GMT
Yet 'sponsors' queue up to fund the latest Roman Polanski films? Graham Rix returned to football after serving time for doing the dirty with an underage girl? Footballers who have killed people are playing again. An actor who were convicted of murder appeared on national television in Eastenders..........yet not a peep from anyone? Double standards anyone? Personally I've never sponsored a Roman Polanski film, supported a club in which Graham Rix is involved, or been a fan of Eastenders, so not guilty...
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Post by gashead1979 on Jan 8, 2015 14:14:44 GMT
Not sure if this is has been mentioned and will take any stick for posting this. But would it be wrong to look at signing him, he is a proven goal scorer and would be cheap on wages as he is just looking to play football again.
Just to clarify I don't condone what he has done and obviously his conviction is going to provoke controversy but from a footballing point of view worth a punt As he would improve our team greatly, I would take him on. Better to have him out on the field in front of 6000 people than fixing your boiler with the wife and daughter about at home.....
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Post by brizzle on Jan 8, 2015 14:15:00 GMT
Yet 'sponsors' queue up to fund the latest Roman Polanski films? Graham Rix returned to football after serving time for doing the dirty with an underage girl? Footballers who have killed people are playing again. An actor who were convicted of murder appeared on national television in Eastenders..........yet not a peep from anyone? Double standards anyone? Yes I agree, that's a very interesting point Nobby, and quite true as well. Which of course brings us onto Ched Evans, and why he does appear to have been judged very harshly by the Great British public, and of course the Great British Press when compared to the others that you have mentioned. I think that if the Press decides to ''big up'' a particular story for whatever reason, then that person (or body) immediately becomes a target, and once deemed to be a target it is very difficult to lose that tag. I think that once the details of his crime entered the public domain, coupled with his failure to accept his guilt or apologise for his crime, this has not helped him at all. But as you say, he does appear to have been treated quite differently to other criminals. But if you look at his treatment objectively and in isolation, then he is reaping what he has sowed. Perhaps you could say that others got off lightly by comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 14:18:50 GMT
Like it or not, sex offenders do tend to be judged more harshly
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Post by brizzle on Jan 8, 2015 14:32:46 GMT
Footballers are role models on and off the pitch. If people are happy with others and kids celebrating and chanting the name of someone who was convicted of rape and refuses to acknowledge or apologise for his actions which sends out the wrong message of treatment of women then sign the guy up. I'm afraid many find this action as repulsive as any alleged action that he was convicted for. This is not my opinion it's just my understanding of why sponsors threatened to pull out of him signing for Sheff United or Oldham. I am sure Rovers wouldnt dare risk vital income from their sponsors or the gate money regardless of what goals he might score if he came - a very delicate debate. Not saying for one minute Rovers should sign him but surely Lee Hughes, Pipe & now club captain(!) McCormick shouldn't have been allowed back on a football pitch having been convicted of serious crimes? Evans clearly can't apologise at present as the crime is still subject to a case review, if he apologises surely that destroys his defence? But as he filmed himself committing the act, and then showed his mates the clip on his mobile phone, this alone would prove that the act took place. The only issue to be resolved is whether the young lady consented. The jury at the first trial decided that she had not. As I remember it she did give consent to another male, but not to Evans. If he had not been so stupid and arrogant as to show the mobile phone clip to others, who then took to social media and mocked the victim, then I doubt that she would have pursued the matter. As I understand it the basis of his appeal is that the heavily intoxicated lady did give her consent. Highly endearing that.
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Post by Baz Gas on Jan 8, 2015 14:39:59 GMT
Just a thought if his conviction is overturned,is he a innocent man that went to prison or a rapist that got off with it ! ! !
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Post by gashead1979 on Jan 8, 2015 14:57:02 GMT
I obviously dont condone the offence, but this is football, someone will benefit from him as other clubs have done with the likes of Lee Hughes etc.
Imagine Barnet signed him and he helped win them the Championship?
What he does on the pitch is my concern, what he does in his (and others) bedrooms isn't quite frankly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 15:02:58 GMT
It's our concern if he doesn't get explicit consent first
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 16:05:38 GMT
I don't understand why any club would bother, I mean he's not world class. I would hope we wouldn't touch him with a barge-pole, morality aside it's just not worth the bother. That said he'll end up at Forest Green with the rest of the Parolees.
With regards to Rovers I've been impressed with the calibre of bloke first and foremost that DC has signed. They all seem pretty decent and I don't think Evans fits the bill.
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Post by lulworthgas on Jan 8, 2015 16:21:00 GMT
Not saying for one minute Rovers should sign him but surely Lee Hughes, Pipe & now club captain(!) McCormick shouldn't have been allowed back on a football pitch having been convicted of serious crimes? Evans clearly can't apologise at present as the crime is still subject to a case review, if he apologises surely that destroys his defence? But as he filmed himself committing the act, and then showed his mates the clip on his mobile phone, this alone would prove that the act took place. The only issue to be resolved is whether the young lady consented. The jury at the first trial decided that she had not. As I remember it she did give consent to another male, but not to Evans. If he had not been so stupid and arrogant as to show the mobile phone clip to others, who then took to social media and mocked the victim, then I doubt that she would have pursued the matter. As I understand it the basis of his appeal is that the heavily intoxicated lady did give her consent. Highly endearing that. The other male was a certain Clayton macdonald. It's all s**te anyway. How many rape victims ask their attacker to go down on them? How many giggle and moan with pleasure as they are attacked? people should read in to this story a bit more. It smacks of a "make an example of you case" I'd hire the guy as I think you will see his conviction overturned at his next trial. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 16:23:18 GMT
He said, quoting the testimony of the convicted rapist Ched Evans
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