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Post by thecyclist on Oct 4, 2014 18:52:10 GMT
No, most of the doubt over the stadium comes from us being told work was going to start at the end of May, then the end of summer, just a few technicalities and that, then it coming out we were suing Sainsbury's for non progression and in the writ it states that Sainsbury's said in February that the deal was off. Meanwhile, grass is still growing at UWE. Still, always good to hear the latest official line. Up to each of us how big a pinch of salt we apply and how bug a benefit of the doubt we dispense. of course after all the stop start and hurdles we've faced it is hard to belive it will go ahead but nick said bcc are 100% behind this project which don't forget creats 200 million to the region and adds a railway to henbury, they will allow the change to delivery times because they know this project is to big to the region of bristol and let's be honest they don't care if they build a supermarket of not they just want the deal to go through so it opens up other building projects off of this deal The trouble is Sainsburys don't want to complete, that much is pretty clear, so whilst BCC maybe 100% behind it, I'm afraid it may not be as straightforward as the chairman and other contributers who delight in offering titbits or being in the know would have us all believe.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 4, 2014 18:53:44 GMT
No, most of the doubt over the stadium comes from us being told work was going to start at the end of May, then the end of summer, just a few technicalities and that, then it coming out we were suing Sainsbury's for non progression and in the writ it states that Sainsbury's said in February that the deal was off. Meanwhile, grass is still growing at UWE. Still, always good to hear the latest official line. Up to each of us how big a pinch of salt we apply and how bug a benefit of the doubt we dispense. of course after all the stop start and hurdles we've faced it is hard to belive it will go ahead but nick said bcc are 100% behind this project which don't forget creats 200 million to the region and adds a railway to henbury, they will allow the change to delivery times because they know this project is to big to the region of bristol and let's be honest they don't care if they build a supermarket of not they just want the deal to go through so it opens up other building projects off of this deal Surely it's really irrelevant now whether BCC are behind the scheme or not, the big question now has to be will Sainsbury's, who have only just started a complete review of their organisation, hand over £30m willingly or will the club have to sue them for the money?
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Post by james83 on Oct 4, 2014 18:55:15 GMT
Was the ten mins of Nick's time before or after the ice bucket challenge ...some wag on the dribuild side did comment that were ISIS about to do the be headings as Toni and Nick were sat in the chairs in the centre of the pitch awaiting the challenge ! mate have some respect for the family's that have lost loved ones to those **** u insensitive twat!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 19:22:31 GMT
of course after all the stop start and hurdles we've faced it is hard to belive it will go ahead but nick said bcc are 100% behind this project which don't forget creats 200 million to the region and adds a railway to henbury, they will allow the change to delivery times because they know this project is to big to the region of bristol and let's be honest they don't care if they build a supermarket of not they just want the deal to go through so it opens up other building projects off of this deal The trouble is Sainsburys don't want to complete, that much is pretty clear, so whilst BCC maybe 100% behind it, I'm afraid it may not be as straightforward as the chairman and other contributers who delight in offering titbits or being in the know would have us all believe. Exactly. So the opinions of the majority living in the area are ignored (again) and the extended hours are granted, what then? 1. Carstairs probably has another 20 stalling devices ready. 2. Sainsbury's do not want to do the deal, I don't get which part of this is hard to understand. What's Higgs going to do, give them a Chinese burn or a wedgey to get them to hand their money over? 3. Carstairs is determined, but he's a minor irritation compared to Sainsbury's legal team. Anyone who thinks they will just roll over if the appeal is successful is deluded. This could go on for years, as it has at other sites around the country. Or the contract could just time-expire and that will be the end of that. If the deal is so great for Bristol then BCC can buy the site and do something that actually improves the area.
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Oct 4, 2014 19:30:16 GMT
This news today fits in with the 'positive camp' who are saying that work will start in the New year. Another words once the 28th news breaks : SG council will get the ball rolling and a start date of around 30-60 days will be set.
Do I believe it ? Not a chance !. We will be having this same debate in 6-12 months time...
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Post by Nurse Ratched on Oct 4, 2014 19:43:37 GMT
The trouble is Sainsburys don't want to complete, that much is pretty clear, so whilst BCC maybe 100% behind it, I'm afraid it may not be as straightforward as the chairman and other contributers who delight in offering titbits or being in the know would have us all believe. Exactly. So the opinions of the majority living in the area are ignored (again) and the extended hours are granted, what then? 1. Carstairs probably has another 20 stalling devices ready. 2. Sainsbury's do not want to do the deal, I don't get which part of this is hard to understand. What's Higgs going to do, give them a Chinese burn or a wedgey to get them to hand their money over? 3. Carstairs is determined, but he's a minor irritation compared to Sainsbury's legal team. Anyone who thinks they will just roll over if the appeal is successful is deluded. This could go on for years, as it has at other sites around the country. Or the contract could just time-expire and that will be the end of that. If the deal is so great for Bristol then BCC can buy the site and do something that actually improves the area. NIMBY alert! I don't think you are much of a Bristol Rovers fan. Did you support the original Memorial Stadium redevelopment plans Bamber?
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Post by Bridgeman on Oct 4, 2014 19:55:25 GMT
The trouble is Sainsburys don't want to complete, that much is pretty clear, so whilst BCC maybe 100% behind it, I'm afraid it may not be as straightforward as the chairman and other contributers who delight in offering titbits or being in the know would have us all believe. Exactly. So the opinions of the majority living in the area are ignored (again) and the extended hours are granted, what then? 1. Carstairs probably has another 20 stalling devices ready. 2. Sainsbury's do not want to do the deal, I don't get which part of this is hard to understand. What's Higgs going to do, give them a Chinese burn or a wedgey to get them to hand their money over? 3. Carstairs is determined, but he's a minor irritation compared to Sainsbury's legal team. Anyone who thinks they will just roll over if the appeal is successful is deluded. This could go on for years, as it has at other sites around the country. Or the contract could just time-expire and that will be the end of that. If the deal is so great for Bristol then BCC can buy the site and do something that actually improves the area.That's not such a bad idea is it .The rate payers of Bristol can foot the bill. Not sure how many people in Bristol pay rates say 200,000 ? Bristol City Council surcharge everyone's rates bill by £150 for one year and hey ho £30 million = 1 shiney new stadium that the whole of Bristol can be proud of as they have all contributed to it. Mr Carstairs, members of TRASH and Horfield Rose can then sit at the Mem for as long as they want and watch it fall down around their ears....job done.....think I'll ring Mr Higgs up right now as it will save him an absolute mint in lawyers fees
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Post by james83 on Oct 4, 2014 19:57:04 GMT
Nick said Buckingham won't start in November if all goes well with the appeal in November but they have penciled in the start date for February next year. I also asked weather the club can continue for a long period of time financially with these delays that sainsburys are putting on us and his reply was that it is not effecting the cash flow or Brfc but only of his own personal cash flow and he will bank roll all this out of his own pocket! I'm sure he will in time get this cash back through the club when on a healthier foot which may come from the new investers that he mentioned who are close to joinging! I'm not a gullible person/fan but I do feel the club has a few positive things in the pipe line that hopefully will see us rise from the dead but I'm sure all the negative Higgs/ board bashers will be out in force? o and raise a beer for topper!!! UTG
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Oct 4, 2014 20:04:06 GMT
James : I:m not being funny but are you having a laugh!. Either you are the mystery ' Replacement person' to spin good news in light of widespread job losses and gloom . Or you are laughing on the other side of the screen or 'its true'. Did NH say pencil or pen about February start
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Post by Bridgeman on Oct 4, 2014 20:10:03 GMT
Nick said Buckingham won't start in November if all goes well with the appeal in November but they have penciled in the start date for February next year. I also asked weather the club can continue for a long period of time financially with these delays that sainsburys are putting on us and his reply was that it is not effecting the cash flow or Brfc but only of his own personal cash flow and he will bank roll all this out of his own pocket! I'm sure he will in time get this cash back through the club when on a healthier foot which may come from the new investers that he mentioned who are close to joinging! I'm not a gullible person/fan but I do feel the club has a few positive things in the pipe line that hopefully will see us rise from the dead but I'm sure all the negative Higgs/ board bashers will be out in force? o and raise a beer for topper!!! UTG Me neither ....
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Post by james83 on Oct 4, 2014 20:17:10 GMT
James : I:m not being funny but are you having a laugh!. Either you are the mystery ' Replacement person' to spin good news in light of widespread job losses and gloom . Or you are laughing on the other side of the screen or 'its true'. Did NH say pencil or pen about February start I'm no wind up and I'm no sheed 100% gospel, I had a couple of pints after the game in the clubhouse and on my way out I spotted nick Higgs finishing a conversation with a couple of fans so thought I would approach him after. Straight away I came out and said " nick u know what I'm gunna say, what's going on with the stadium? Please just be honest" and he openly said in a nutshell that all will be resolved by the 15th or at the latest 26th pretty sure those were the dates give or take a day or two. If and yes if bcc are going to change the delivery hours which he is 100% certain they will then sainsburys will have to pay the full 30 million whatever! And nick did make me laugh when he said it doesn't matter if they want to build a supermarket or a condom factory they are obliged to pay up!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 20:18:46 GMT
Exactly. So the opinions of the majority living in the area are ignored (again) and the extended hours are granted, what then? 1. Carstairs probably has another 20 stalling devices ready. 2. Sainsbury's do not want to do the deal, I don't get which part of this is hard to understand. What's Higgs going to do, give them a Chinese burn or a wedgey to get them to hand their money over? 3. Carstairs is determined, but he's a minor irritation compared to Sainsbury's legal team. Anyone who thinks they will just roll over if the appeal is successful is deluded. This could go on for years, as it has at other sites around the country. Or the contract could just time-expire and that will be the end of that. If the deal is so great for Bristol then BCC can buy the site and do something that actually improves the area. NIMBY alert! I don't think you are much of a Bristol Rovers fan. In what way does wanting the area improved make someone less of a supporter? No point taking your frustrations out on me, I want what most Rovers fans want, for the club to be debt free, a new stadium would be lovely, professionally run, at least 2 divisions higher, without record losses etc etc etc. So, you don't think that when Sainsbury's finally walk away, BCC should be encouraged to speak to S-Glouces Council and between them look at the overall picture and consider if theres any way that they could justify using their funds to initiate a chain reaction of events that results in hundreds of millions of pounds of regional investment, a couple of hundred jobs and adding desperately needed housing stock to the area.
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Oct 4, 2014 20:22:26 GMT
Brilliant James - please continue... What else was said
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 4, 2014 20:22:31 GMT
I don't have a problem with this being written here (like the OP said, it's not as though NH's expected a chat with a stranger to be secret)
I don't have a problem with the OP.
I do have a slight problem with anyone who is politely sceptical being labelled a 'board basher' or negative.
We've had 25 years of 'new ground' talk, so please forgive some of us James if we don;t crack open the champagne.
I don;t understand the issue over BCC. Of course it is helpful if BCC, politicians, etc are in favour of it, AND if this delivery hours issue is sorted out, but the open FACT is that Sainsbury's do not want to complete the deal and are doing anything then can to get out of it (or more accurately doing nothing, in the hope it will help the project fail). They have pulled out of other deals and written substantial costs off. They don;t wish to pay for land and build a supermarket. simple. Have you read the High Court writ? Illuminating.
They are also not going to go to court and then miraculously decide to pay the full cost, or anything close to the full cost, to BRFC and not take the Mem.
I personally cannot see how Sainsbury's will complete this deal, and if the UWE is entirely dependent on them paying the full whack then I have to assume it won;t happen.
VERY, VERY happy to be proved wrong on this one.
I hope someone else steps in to help maybe.
The UWE is a brilliant idea. I so want it to happen. But someone has to pay for it.
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Post by james83 on Oct 4, 2014 20:33:28 GMT
I don't have a problem with this being written here (like the OP said, it's not as though NH's expected a chat with a stranger to be secret) I don't have a problem with the OP. I do have a slight problem with anyone who is politely sceptical being labelled a 'board basher' or negative. We've had 25 years of 'new ground' talk, so please forgive some of us James if we don;t crack open the champagne. I don;t understand the issue over BCC. Of course it is helpful if BCC, politicians, etc are in favour of it, AND if this delivery hours issue is sorted out, but the open FACT is that Sainsbury's do not want to complete the deal and are doing anything then can to get out of it (or more accurately doing nothing, in the hope it will help the project fail). They have pulled out of other deals and written substantial costs off. They don;t wish to pay for land and build a supermarket. simple. Have you read the High Court writ? Illuminating. They are also not going to go to court and then miraculously decide to pay the full cost, or anything close to the full cost, to BRFC and not take the Mem. I personally cannot see how Sainsbury's will complete this deal, and if the UWE is entirely dependent on them paying the full whack then I have to assume it won;t happen. VERY, VERY happy to be proved wrong on this one. I hope someone else steps in to help maybe. The UWE is a brilliant idea. I so want it to happen. But someone has to pay for it. look we are all gas here and I'm just a frustrated with constant false dawns from the club regarding stadium matters and lack of investment BUT all I have done is let other fellow gasheads know that I had a chat with the chairman of our club and I must be honest he filled me with confidence on a couple of important matters. This doesn't mean, hey listen to me this is going to happen, but merely just letting fellow supporters know what I've just been told from the horses mouth! I think all of us would like to think if another supporter spoke about these issues to our chairman then they would let others know too after all every Thursday someone post and moans that no further comments have been made regarding stadium issues after the chairman report comes in
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Post by Nurse Ratched on Oct 4, 2014 20:43:13 GMT
NIMBY alert! I don't think you are much of a Bristol Rovers fan. In what way does wanting the area improved make someone less of a supporter? No point taking your frustrations out on me, I want what most Rovers fans want, for the club to be debt free, a new stadium would be lovely, professionally run, at least 2 divisions higher, without record losses etc etc etc. So, you don't think that when Sainsbury's finally walk away, BCC should be encouraged to speak to S-Glouces Council and between them look at the overall picture and consider if theres any way that they could justify using their funds to initiate a chain reaction of events that results in hundreds of millions of pounds of regional investment, a couple of hundred jobs and adding desperately needed housing stock to the area. Well, well,well. 'Phew'. I thought your desperation over Sainsbury's walking away from the deal was just founded in anti-board rhetoric. So you live near the ground, you don't want a supermarket and prefer the two Councils to pay for your NIMBY'isum? Did you oppose this as well?
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 4, 2014 20:54:03 GMT
In what way does wanting the area improved make someone less of a supporter? No point taking your frustrations out on me, I want what most Rovers fans want, for the club to be debt free, a new stadium would be lovely, professionally run, at least 2 divisions higher, without record losses etc etc etc. So, you don't think that when Sainsbury's finally walk away, BCC should be encouraged to speak to S-Glouces Council and between them look at the overall picture and consider if theres any way that they could justify using their funds to initiate a chain reaction of events that results in hundreds of millions of pounds of regional investment, a couple of hundred jobs and adding desperately needed housing stock to the area. Well, well,well. 'Phew'. I thought your desperation over Sainsbury's walking away from the deal was just founded in anti-board rhetoric. So you live near the ground, you don't want a supermarket and prefer the two Councils to pay for your NIMBY'isum? Did you oppose this as well?As a Rovers fan i hope we get what we want/need. However as a homeowner, a council tax payer etc, i dont beleive that Sainsburys should get the hours Rovers require
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Post by Curly Wurly on Oct 4, 2014 21:11:44 GMT
I'm a homeowner, council tax payer and Rovers fan and I do believe that Sainsburys should get the hours Rovers require........so there!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 21:12:49 GMT
The trouble is Sainsburys don't want to complete, that much is pretty clear, so whilst BCC maybe 100% behind it, I'm afraid it may not be as straightforward as the chairman and other contributers who delight in offering titbits or being in the know would have us all believe. Exactly. So the opinions of the majority living in the area are ignored (again) and the extended hours are granted, what then? 1. Carstairs probably has another 20 stalling devices ready. 2. Sainsbury's do not want to do the deal, I don't get which part of this is hard to understand. What's Higgs going to do, give them a Chinese burn or a wedgey to get them to hand their money over? 3. Carstairs is determined, but he's a minor irritation compared to Sainsbury's legal team. Anyone who thinks they will just roll over if the appeal is successful is deluded. This could go on for years, as it has at other sites around the country. Or the contract could just time-expire and that will be the end of that. If the deal is so great for Bristol then BCC can buy the site and do something that actually improves the area. Yee of little faith
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 4, 2014 21:16:06 GMT
I'm a homeowner, council tax payer and Rovers fan and I do believe that Sainsburys should get the hours Rovers require........so there! Thats fine, but why should people who on here who think the requested hours are unreasonable be questioned by some in their support for the team/club?
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