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Post by pop up pirate on Sept 30, 2024 14:44:41 GMT
I'm not particularly, sorry. I probably was as a child but definitely less so more recently. In some ways the 'Great' in Britain feels like it's lead to an inflated sense of importance, and 'proud' to be British an excuse for some to behave appallingly when travelling or towards anything foreign. I know a lot here won't like it, but living on past 'glories' will get us nowhere. That said, I do respect our achievements and probably wouldn't have wanted to grow up anywhere else. But proud now? No Fair play PUP. I think there are very few people that feel pride in being British is an excuse to show a lack of respect to foreign countries and people. Did this reputation come from our football clubs travelling abroad? Our middle class at the Dordoign being embarrassed by our working class at Majorca? Ar'nt most Britons pretty good these days? On going abroad adapt the " when in Rome" rule? We even allow some ( a large number ) to ignore that "when in Rome" rule when they move to GB. Awfully right on. It's not just the football fans though, is it, there are plenty that have no respect abroad (not just British though, granted). I do love much of our arts and the fact they're world renowned, music particularly, some sporting achievements (and of course I support England in Football, Cricket etc). But now ? What have we to be proud of ? This forum is full to the brim with complaints about the state of the country, from both sides. Rioting, immigration, knife crime, corruption, the bloody state of the political parties etc etc. What about the NHS, homelessness, poverty. Even the rivers are full of sh1t. I can't be proud of this |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 30, 2024 14:55:09 GMT
Fair play PUP. I think there are very few people that feel pride in being British is an excuse to show a lack of respect to foreign countries and people. Did this reputation come from our football clubs travelling abroad? Our middle class at the Dordoign being embarrassed by our working class at Majorca? Ar'nt most Britons pretty good these days? On going abroad adapt the " when in Rome" rule? We even allow some ( a large number ) to ignore that "when in Rome" rule when they move to GB. Awfully right on. It's not just the football fans though, is it, there are plenty that have no respect abroad (not just British though, granted). I do love much of our arts and the fact they're world renowned, music particularly, some sporting achievements (and of course I support England in Football, Cricket etc). But now ? What have we to be proud of ? This forum is full to the brim with complaints about the state of the country, from both sides. Rioting, immigration, knife crime, corruption, the bloody state of the political parties etc etc. What about the NHS, homelessness, poverty. Even the rivers are full of sh1t. I can't be proud of this Yep,we,like all countries in the West have challenges. To be proud of todays achievements?Good question. Alot of todays Britain exists because of our past.That must not be forgotten. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Sept 30, 2024 14:56:47 GMT
It's not just the football fans though, is it, there are plenty that have no respect abroad (not just British though, granted). I do love much of our arts and the fact they're world renowned, music particularly, some sporting achievements (and of course I support England in Football, Cricket etc). But now ? What have we to be proud of ? This forum is full to the brim with complaints about the state of the country, from both sides. Rioting, immigration, knife crime, corruption, the bloody state of the political parties etc etc. What about the NHS, homelessness, poverty. Even the rivers are full of sh1t. I can't be proud of this Yep,we,like all countries in the West have challenges. To be proud of todays achievements?Good question. Alot of todays Britain exists because of our past.That must not be forgotten. Agreed. But we've lived off those achievements for too long |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 30, 2024 14:57:00 GMT
I'm not particularly, sorry. I probably was as a child but definitely less so more recently. In some ways the 'Great' in Britain feels like it's lead to an inflated sense of importance, and 'proud' to be British an excuse for some to behave appallingly when travelling or towards anything foreign. I know a lot here won't like it, but living on past 'glories' will get us nowhere. That said, I do respect our achievements and probably wouldn't have wanted to grow up anywhere else. But proud now? No Couldn't have said it better Go away. |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 30, 2024 15:01:26 GMT
Yep,we,like all countries in the West have challenges. To be proud of todays achievements?Good question. Alot of todays Britain exists because of our past.That must not be forgotten. Agreed. But we've lived off those achievements for too long "Lived off those achievements for too long". What do you actually mean here PUP? Should we ignore certain parts of our history, our national identity? We are who were because of our past and of course as you suggest we are who we are because of now. |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 30, 2024 15:09:18 GMT
Fair play PUP. I think there are very few people that feel pride in being British is an excuse to show a lack of respect to foreign countries and people. Did this reputation come from our football clubs travelling abroad? Our middle class at the Dordoign being embarrassed by our working class at Majorca? Ar'nt most Britons pretty good these days? On going abroad adapt the " when in Rome" rule? We even allow some ( a large number ) to ignore that "when in Rome" rule when they move to GB. Awfully right on. It's not just the football fans though, is it, there are plenty that have no respect abroad (not just British though, granted). I do love much of our arts and the fact they're world renowned, music particularly, some sporting achievements (and of course I support England in Football, Cricket etc). But now ? What have we to be proud of ? This forum is full to the brim with complaints about the state of the country, from both sides. Rioting, immigration, knife crime, corruption, the bloody state of the political parties etc etc. What about the NHS, homelessness, poverty. Even the rivers are full of sh1t. I can't be proud of this Without ignoring or undermining your points on todays GB shame ( I agree it's not good), I just thought of one recent event,the London Olympics. I know it's pretty small fry,especially when compared to poverty,pollution etc,but I think most agreed the London Olympics were a success. The world I think agreed. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Sept 30, 2024 15:16:54 GMT
Agreed. But we've lived off those achievements for too long "Lived off those achievements for too long". What do you actually mean here PUP? Should we ignore certain parts of our history, our national identity? We are who were because of our past and of course as you suggest we are who we are because of now. I mean they count for very little now if we're not achieving much to be proud of today. At least to the younger generation maybe. I'll ask my kids (13 and 17) if they're proud to be British and let you know, but I'm pretty sure what their answers will be |
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Post by pop up pirate on Sept 30, 2024 15:21:54 GMT
It's not just the football fans though, is it, there are plenty that have no respect abroad (not just British though, granted). I do love much of our arts and the fact they're world renowned, music particularly, some sporting achievements (and of course I support England in Football, Cricket etc). But now ? What have we to be proud of ? This forum is full to the brim with complaints about the state of the country, from both sides. Rioting, immigration, knife crime, corruption, the bloody state of the political parties etc etc. What about the NHS, homelessness, poverty. Even the rivers are full of sh1t. I can't be proud of this Without ignoring or undermining your points on todays GB shame ( I agree it's not good), I just thought of one recent event,the London Olympics. I know it's pretty small fry,especially when compared to poverty,pollution etc,but I think most agreed the London Olympics were a success. The world I think agreed. Yeah, good job with that I agree. I also enjoyed the Paris Woke Olympics though 😃 |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 30, 2024 15:23:59 GMT
"Lived off those achievements for too long". What do you actually mean here PUP? Should we ignore certain parts of our history, our national identity? We are who were because of our past and of course as you suggest we are who we are because of now. I mean they count for very little now if we're not achieving much to be proud of today. At least to the younger generation maybe. I'll ask my kids (13 and 17) if they're proud to be British and let you know, but I'm pretty sure what they're answers will be I was pondering a definition of pride,as in proud of being British,or eg French.Etc. Are there people who are proud of their country today, without particularly going by their history? Can we name one and why its people can be justifiably proud. Or is pride a sin? |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 30, 2024 15:25:08 GMT
Without ignoring or undermining your points on todays GB shame ( I agree it's not good), I just thought of one recent event,the London Olympics. I know it's pretty small fry,especially when compared to poverty,pollution etc,but I think most agreed the London Olympics were a success. The world I think agreed. Yeah, good job with that I agree. I also enjoyed the Paris Woke Olympics though 😃 I agree with your first sentence. 🙂 |
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Post by pop up pirate on Sept 30, 2024 15:32:17 GMT
I mean they count for very little now if we're not achieving much to be proud of today. At least to the younger generation maybe. I'll ask my kids (13 and 17) if they're proud to be British and let you know, but I'm pretty sure what they're answers will be I was pondering a definition of pride,as in proud of being British,or eg French.Etc. Are there people who are proud of their country today, without particularly going by their history? Can we name one and why its people can be justifiably proud. Or is pride a sin? I don't think so bas, it's not a sin, I'd like to be proud of my country and what we're achieving for the next generations. It's like singing 'if you're proud to be a gashead', yeah I support them but they're not making me proud either. In fact they very rarely do. Living outside Bristol I almost have to apologise for supporting them, but I'd love to be proud to, same as living here |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 30, 2024 15:34:58 GMT
Are there countries ,where it's people are rightly proud of their country by todays standards, without their history?
Post WWII for the sake of discussion.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 30, 2024 16:32:03 GMT
It's not just the football fans though, is it, there are plenty that have no respect abroad (not just British though, granted). I do love much of our arts and the fact they're world renowned, music particularly, some sporting achievements (and of course I support England in Football, Cricket etc). But now ? What have we to be proud of ? This forum is full to the brim with complaints about the state of the country, from both sides. Rioting, immigration, knife crime, corruption, the bloody state of the political parties etc etc. What about the NHS, homelessness, poverty. Even the rivers are full of sh1t. I can't be proud of this Without ignoring or undermining your points on todays GB shame ( I agree it's not good), I just thought of one recent event,the London Olympics. I know it's pretty small fry,especially when compared to poverty, pollution etc, but I think most agreed the London Olympics were a success. The world I think agreed. The Olympics were the turning point for me. They were exceptionally well done, yet the organisational structure farmed out to the Tories favourite private companies, who nearly let the country down, had to be rescued by the army and a ton of volunteers. Since then all of the things that we were proud of have been hacked back to, so say, reduce debt but saw debt rise exponentially. Jewels in the crown like Windermere are being destroyed by the utility companies. Our armed forces, which have some units which are globally respected, are being hacked back, such that we struggle to get a new aircraft carrier to sea with planes on it. The NHS has been deliberately set on run down, with increasing private profits being stripped out and our cradle to grave support network is almost fatally broken. The civil service is in disarray after the chaos of the Cummings years, and our leading position at the top table setting high standards in the EU has disappeared with Brexit, and we are now allowing pollutants in agriculture that are banned elsewhere. Our reputation internationally has fallen with our threat to break international laws and regulations which we signed up to and the continued determination by some [confirmed by Jenrick for the Tories and Tice for the Reform Party Ltd] to leave the ECHR, which we were instrumental in setting up, driven by Churchill, has been treated with dismay by our international partners. The one plus has been our determination in backing Ukraine against Putin, although our hypocrisy in courting Russian investment and donations to political parties has given an edge of hypocrisy. There remain many things which I am very proud in our history, but I dismay at the determination to dumb the country down in the last few years, internationally, politically, economically and legally, to the levels of cheap labour countries and in human rights values to the level of Belarus and Russia. |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 30, 2024 17:14:59 GMT
Are there countries ,where it's people are rightly proud of their country by todays standards, without their history? Post WWII for the sake of discussion. Most countries have things to both be proud of and ashamed of, plus plenty in between. Lots are subjective though, talking UK and post 1945, you could mention standing up to tyrants (Berlin airlift, Cold War, Falklands, Former Yugoslavia, Sierra Leone, IRA, Ukraine). Our creative industries (music, arts, film, etc). Comedy and the ability to laugh at everything. Civil liberties like gay marriage, human rights, animal rights. The Welfare State, NHS, maternity and paternity leave, sick leave, the fact we are pretty generous as a country (overseas development, Live Aid, Comic Relief). Rules based system and rule of law (but that includes organisations including Nato, UN, Commonwealth, EU and ECHR). I suspect a lot of things I was proud of, you'd take the opposite view. Things have gone south since 2016 when the government imploded. |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 30, 2024 17:26:10 GMT
Are there countries ,where it's people are rightly proud of their country by todays standards, without their history? Post WWII for the sake of discussion. Most countries have things to both be proud of and ashamed of, plus plenty in between. Lots are subjective though, talking UK and post 1945, you could mention standing up to tyrants (Berlin airlift, Cold War, Falklands, Former Yugoslavia, Sierra Leone, IRA, Ukraine). Our creative industries (music, arts, film, etc). Comedy and the ability to laugh at everything. Civil liberties like gay marriage, human rights, animal rights. The Welfare State, NHS, maternity and paternity leave, sick leave, the fact we are pretty generous as a country (overseas development, Live Aid, Comic Relief). Rules based system and rule of law (but that includes organisations including Nato, UN, Commonwealth, EU and ECHR). I suspect a lot of things I was proud of, you'd take the opposite view. Things have gone south since 2016 when the government imploded. Lots to be proud of there,agreed. What made you proud that you suspect i would not share your pride? |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 30, 2024 17:48:36 GMT
Most countries have things to both be proud of and ashamed of, plus plenty in between. Lots are subjective though, talking UK and post 1945, you could mention standing up to tyrants (Berlin airlift, Cold War, Falklands, Former Yugoslavia, Sierra Leone, IRA, Ukraine). Our creative industries (music, arts, film, etc). Comedy and the ability to laugh at everything. Civil liberties like gay marriage, human rights, animal rights. The Welfare State, NHS, maternity and paternity leave, sick leave, the fact we are pretty generous as a country (overseas development, Live Aid, Comic Relief). Rules based system and rule of law (but that includes organisations including Nato, UN, Commonwealth, EU and ECHR). I suspect a lot of things I was proud of, you'd take the opposite view. Things have gone south since 2016 when the government imploded. Lots to be proud of there,agreed. What made you proud that you suspect i would not share your pride? Welfare State, overseas aid, EU, ECHR? |
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Post by oldie on Sept 30, 2024 18:03:01 GMT
This from Cheshire nails it
"There remain many things which I am very proud in our history, but I dismay at the determination to dumb the country down in the last few years, internationally, politically, economically and legally, to the levels of cheap labour countries and in human rights values to the level of Belarus and Russia."
Those oft repeated dumbing down on here.
Labelling people as "weasels", "scum" and indeed "traitors"
It's shocking and nothing but shameful.
How deeply ironic one of those perpetrators starts a thread about pride in our country, when he, they, are everything we should be, are, ashamed of.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 30, 2024 18:06:10 GMT
Lots to be proud of there,agreed. What made you proud that you suspect i would not share your pride? Welfare State, overseas aid, EU, ECHR? Well it's not quite the point of the thread,but I did ask. Welfare state.👍We must look after our people that are struggling. Overseas aid.👍We do however have to be careful who actually gets the cash and consider our domestic struggles. EU.👎 ECHR.👍 At the beginning,time to have our own courts and laws now. |
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Post by ltdgas on Sept 30, 2024 18:42:56 GMT
For those of us that are British, so Welsh,Scottish, Northern Irish or English. Are you proud of being British? I suppose I ought to give my answer. Yes.I have a sense of pride in my English British nationality. Yes , I have Union Jack on one hand , St George cross on other , I’m proud of our monarchy, you’ll not hear anyone sing the national anthem , 10 German bombers or rule Britannia etc louder The commies were creaming there pants over that eu rag at the proms , they hate the Union Jack , I see free gear keir is trying to look patriotic by having the Union Jack in every pic , who the f**k is he trying to convince I just wish all these commies / remainiacs would do what they said they were going to do 8 yrs ago & piss off to The eu |
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Post by oldie on Sept 30, 2024 18:46:04 GMT
For those of us that are British, so Welsh,Scottish, Northern Irish or English. Are you proud of being British? I suppose I ought to give my answer. Yes.I have a sense of pride in my English British nationality. Yes , I have Union Jack on one hand , St George cross on other , I’m proud of our monarchy, you’ll not hear anyone sing the national anthem , 10 German bombers or rule Britannia etc louder The commies were creaming there pants over that eu rag at the proms , they hate the Union Jack , I see free gear keir is trying to look patriotic by having the Union Jack in every pic , who the f**k is he trying to convince I just wish all these commies / remainiacs would do what they said they were going to do 8 yrs ago & piss off to The eu Such an inarticulate argument. Given your obviously limited vocabulary are you sure you are English? There has to be doubts |
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