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Post by oldie on Jul 10, 2024 8:25:10 GMT
Interesting the groans from the House when Farage mentioned Brexit. It just demonstrated that the fight for Brexit is still not over. Labour, huge majority with 9.2 million votes. 33% of the vote share. They claim they have a mandate from the British public. Brexit, 17.2 million votes, 52% of the vote share, yet they wanted another Referendum and will still work to take the UK back in to the EU. The Remainers have never accepted the Democratic mandate. They just don't get it do they. They still don't realize that the British public hold these fools with utter contempt. Regarding Labours dealings with the European Union,I don't trust them an inch So far the signs are Labour will be as bad as the Conservatives and will face a serious challenge from Reform and Liberals in 2029. In the scenario the PR electoral system is brought in,then we'll actually see a fair result. So far??? This is day 3....just started The mind boggles
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Post by oldie on Jul 10, 2024 8:27:32 GMT
Could you articulate which part of the winning manifesto advocating rejoining the EU? God, you guys are so insecure, because (I believe) in your hearts you know what you have done. Oh, the shame I'm afraid people that had your attitude to the Brexit result and most in the Labour's Party,eg Sir Kier Starmer,means Leavers and others would be fools to trust a word they say.Same goes for the Tories. I looked again at the Labour manifesto but I still could not find any clause which stated that rejoining the EU, either as a whole or parts of was a policy aim. Perhaps you could point me to the bit I have missed
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Post by baselswh on Jul 10, 2024 8:59:22 GMT
I'm afraid people that had your attitude to the Brexit result and most in the Labour's Party,eg Sir Kier Starmer,means Leavers and others would be fools to trust a word they say.Same goes for the Tories. I looked again at the Labour manifesto but I still could not find any clause which stated that rejoining the EU, either as a whole or parts of was a policy aim. Perhaps you could point me to the bit I have missed People remember the way the Brexit democratic result was treated by many on the losing side.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 10, 2024 9:15:24 GMT
I'm afraid people that had your attitude to the Brexit result and most in the Labour's Party,eg Sir Kier Starmer,means Leavers and others would be fools to trust a word they say.Same goes for the Tories. I looked again at the Labour manifesto but I still could not find any clause which stated that rejoining the EU, either as a whole or parts of was a policy aim. Perhaps you could point me to the bit I have missed As I have already pointed out Oldie. There was nothing about the tax rises in the manifesto either, but we all know they are coming.
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Post by oldie on Jul 10, 2024 9:49:54 GMT
You guys keep saying these things, but there is zero evidence that any of the assertions you all make are true.
What is self evident is that we are broken as a country both financially and socially.
This is going to take some rebuilding
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 10, 2024 10:30:01 GMT
You guys keep saying these things, but there is zero evidence that any of the assertions you all make are true. What is self evident is that we are broken as a country both financially and socially. This is going to take some rebuilding You forgot "politically broken" as well. I've got to say that you are expecting a party that is instrumental in breaking this country to repair it? The country has been broken by successive government's, both Tory and Labour, and you expect Labour to fix it? Same old parties, same old policies, same old result. Your optimism is admirable.
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Post by oldie on Jul 10, 2024 10:54:23 GMT
You guys keep saying these things, but there is zero evidence that any of the assertions you all make are true. What is self evident is that we are broken as a country both financially and socially. This is going to take some rebuilding You forgot "politically broken" as well. I've got to say that you are expecting a party that is instrumental in breaking this country to repair it? The country has been broken by successive government's, both Tory and Labour, and you expect Labour to fix it? Same old parties, same old policies, same old result. Your optimism is admirable. As yet I am not optimistic. I have not seen enough straight talking and tough policy decisions to be optimistic. But it is only 3 days in and I wait with bated breath. I don't buy the argument that the 97-07 Labour Government broke our country, they had a lot to do rebuild the excesses of Thatcher policies. What damaged us was fraud in the financial markets and then having to spend billions to rebuild balance sheets. All against a backdrop of Cameron & Osborne crowing about the nanny state and that the City didn't need regulating. We have never truly recovered, due in no small part to austerity policies after 2010 and then exacerbated by Brexit. Going into this rebuild we are in a far worse position than we were in 1997.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 10, 2024 11:11:14 GMT
You forgot "politically broken" as well. I've got to say that you are expecting a party that is instrumental in breaking this country to repair it? The country has been broken by successive government's, both Tory and Labour, and you expect Labour to fix it? Same old parties, same old policies, same old result. Your optimism is admirable. As yet I am not optimistic. I have not seen enough straight talking and tough policy decisions to be optimistic. But it is only 3 days in and I wait with bated breath. I don't buy the argument that the 97-07 Labour Government broke our country, they had a lot to do rebuild the excesses of Thatcher policies. What damaged us was fraud in the financial markets and then having to spend billions to rebuild balance sheets. All against a backdrop of Cameron & Osborne crowing about the nanny state and that the City didn't need regulating. We have never truly recovered, due in no small part to austerity policies after 2010 and then exacerbated by Brexit. Going into this rebuild we are in a far worse position than we were in 1997. Sorry Oldie, but the Blair/Brown years did not leave the economy in good shape, hence the famous, "there's no money left" note! The decline did not start in 2010. Ha, ha, you always have to throw "exacerbated by Brexit." in there. No matter what happens you always have to throw in that it was either caused by Brexit, and then if you are proven wrong and Brexit had not caused that particular problem, you then claim that Brexit had made it worse. Austerity policies were not put in place for fun, but because the government under Labour had overspent and borrowed too much.
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Post by oldie on Jul 10, 2024 13:01:13 GMT
As yet I am not optimistic. I have not seen enough straight talking and tough policy decisions to be optimistic. But it is only 3 days in and I wait with bated breath. I don't buy the argument that the 97-07 Labour Government broke our country, they had a lot to do rebuild the excesses of Thatcher policies. What damaged us was fraud in the financial markets and then having to spend billions to rebuild balance sheets. All against a backdrop of Cameron & Osborne crowing about the nanny state and that the City didn't need regulating. We have never truly recovered, due in no small part to austerity policies after 2010 and then exacerbated by Brexit. Going into this rebuild we are in a far worse position than we were in 1997. Sorry Oldie, but the Blair/Brown years did not leave the economy in good shape, hence the famous, "there's no money left" note! The decline did not start in 2010. Ha, ha, you always have to throw "exacerbated by Brexit." in there. No matter what happens you always have to throw in that it was either caused by Brexit, and then if you are proven wrong and Brexit had not caused that particular problem, you then claim that Brexit had made it worse. Austerity policies were not put in place for fun, but because the government under Labour had overspent and borrowed too much. Debt to GDP...1997...47% Debt to GDP...2007...48% Debt to GDP.. 2016...72% You can keep saying (you have since forever) but it's not true
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 10, 2024 13:37:46 GMT
Utter nonsense Oldie. When Blair took over Labour maintained the Tory spending plans for their first two years. At that time the economy was in decent shape. When Blair/Brown had finished the economy was in tatters as you well know with billions from PFI and Student Loans kept off the balance sheets. No Labour government, ever, has left the economy in a better shape than when they took over. I'm afraid you should remove your rose tinted glasses regarding the economic 'success' of Blair/Brown. It's a myth you keep peddling. Oh, and....When Thatcher stepped down - Debt to GDP...1989...32%. Earlier on you mentioned that Blair had to rebuild after the disaster of the Thatcher years. Well, using your figures and logic she didn't do too badly did she ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) It's not all about gdp figures you know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 14:07:41 GMT
Tories and Labour have ruined this country, so being a very clever lad I’ll use my vote for Reform . Their totally unfunded manifesto really appeals to me as does the ditching of anything to do with net zero aspirations which is also a winner as I loves a bit of warm weather and won’t have to holiday abroad. I didn’t fall for the Brexit populist rhetoric but feel like I missed out so I’m going full in on this . Down with vaccines as well .
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Post by oldie on Jul 10, 2024 14:08:38 GMT
Utter nonsense Oldie. When Blair took over Labour maintained the Tory spending plans for their first two years. At that time the economy was in decent shape. When Blair/Brown had finished the economy was in tatters as you well know with billions from PFI and Student Loans kept off the balance sheets. No Labour government, ever, has left the economy in a better shape than when they took over. I'm afraid you should remove your rose tinted glasses regarding the economic 'success' of Blair/Brown. It's a myth you keep peddling. Oh, and....When Thatcher stepped down - Debt to GDP...1989...32%. Earlier on you mentioned that Blair had to rebuild after the disaster of the Thatcher years. Well, using your figures and logic she didn't do too badly did she ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) It's not all about gdp figures you know. Not denying her charge on borrowing. But who paid the price for that? A health care system in a shambles, educational attainment a mess, whole communities cast adrift, schools etc with roof (literally) falling in. You can deny it all you like but Blair/increased spending significantly (by 2% of GDP for the health service)and the debt to GDP ratio barely moved. Because the economy grew by an average of 2.4% pa during that period. Funny that. What was the average after 2010?
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Post by oldie on Jul 10, 2024 14:12:48 GMT
Tories and Labour have ruined this country, so being a very clever lad I’ll use my vote for Reform . Their totally unfunded manifesto really appeals to me as does the ditching of anything to do with net zero aspirations which is also a winner as I loves a bit of warm weather and won’t have to holiday abroad. I didn’t fall for the Brexit populist rhetoric but feel like I missed out so I’m going full in on this . Down with vaccines as well . I voted Monster Raving Loony, particularly for the guy with a Baked Bean Balaclava who stood against Rees Mogg. The arch idiot made to stand on the podium next to a bloke who was taking the p*ss our of him. 👍
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Post by trymer on Jul 10, 2024 16:39:00 GMT
Keir Starmer says defence spending pledge 'cast iron' as he arrives at his first Nato summit..by Francesca Gillettichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/86ea/live/a5cf3ff0-3e30-11ef-96a8-e710c6bfc866.jpgPrime Minister Keir Starmer arrived in Washington overnight to attend the 75th summit of the Nato defence alliance This marks the Labour leader's first international trip as leader of the UK He'll meet President Biden later today at the White House in what will be the pair's first face-to-face meeting On the plane, Starmer tells reporters his plan to raise defence spending to 2.5% was "cast iron" - but refuses to put a timeline on when it will happen On the other side of the Atlantic, hundreds of MPs are continuing to be sworn in The process - expected to take days - began yesterday with both Starmer and leader of the opposition, Rishi Sunak, being sworn in Oh dear look at Starmers jacket ! ...surely thats going to get a mention from the forums style guru ?
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Post by oldie on Jul 10, 2024 17:58:07 GMT
Keir Starmer says defence spending pledge 'cast iron' as he arrives at his first Nato summit..by Francesca Gillettichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/86ea/live/a5cf3ff0-3e30-11ef-96a8-e710c6bfc866.jpgPrime Minister Keir Starmer arrived in Washington overnight to attend the 75th summit of the Nato defence alliance This marks the Labour leader's first international trip as leader of the UK He'll meet President Biden later today at the White House in what will be the pair's first face-to-face meeting On the plane, Starmer tells reporters his plan to raise defence spending to 2.5% was "cast iron" - but refuses to put a timeline on when it will happen On the other side of the Atlantic, hundreds of MPs are continuing to be sworn in The process - expected to take days - began yesterday with both Starmer and leader of the opposition, Rishi Sunak, being sworn in Oh dear look at Starmers jacket ! ...surely thats going to get a mention from the forums style guru ? Have you ever seen him😂
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 10, 2024 22:20:59 GMT
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Post by icegas on Jul 11, 2024 17:42:18 GMT
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Post by aghast on Jul 11, 2024 21:13:32 GMT
He took his oath in English and Punjabi. Sarah Green, the MP for Chesham and Amersham, took her oath in English and Welsh this week. All six of Cornwall's new MPs took their oaths in English and Cornish. Torcuil Crichton for the Scottish Isles took his oath in English and Gaelic. Presumably you're equally outraged about those but forgot to mention them.
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Post by oldie on Jul 11, 2024 21:33:39 GMT
He took his oath in English and Punjabi. Sarah Green, the MP for Chesham and Amersham, took her oath in English and Welsh this week. All six of Cornwall's new MPs took their oaths in English and Cornish. Torcuil Crichton for the Scottish Isles took his oath in English and Gaelic. Presumably you're equally outraged about those but forgot to mention them. 😂😂
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Post by baselswh on Jul 11, 2024 22:00:24 GMT
He's been an MP a few years now Ice.Labour. I think MPs get sworn in with a religious book of their choice and apparently in a language of their choice,perhaps to go with their religion. There are 6 independent new MPs that got in on a pro-Palestine ticket.They represent our new imported sectarian politics.Very concerning.
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