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Post by baselswh on Nov 5, 2024 13:21:06 GMT
But I ask again, what would you do if multiple higher education institutions were becoming, or are, financially unviable? I would have stated quite clearly what ever plans I had, instead of openly lying about it. Back to my post that confused members ( probably my fault,apologies). "Stop lying". Not Nobby or Oldie,but the Labour Party. |
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 5, 2024 14:41:07 GMT
Beth Winter,Labour party member for Cynon Valley 2019/2024 has quit the party due to SKS' 'authoritarian' ruling of the party and how he is looking after corporate and ruling classes and ignoring the true core of what the Labour party stands for,
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 5, 2024 14:53:50 GMT
Adding to the post above: Beth Winter resigns from Labour, attacking party's loss of values..by David Nicholson
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Beth Winter MP Cynon ValleyFormer Labour MP Beth Winter resigned from the party today with an excoriating attack on its values and policies under leader Sir Keir Starmer. The socialist MP represented Cynon Valley after the 2019 general election and paid tribute to expelled Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn for the radical manifesto she was elected on. She said: “It has been the greatest honour of my life to serve as the MP for my home, Cynon Valley, elected on the transformative Labour manifesto of 2019. “As a proud socialist I have remained committed to that manifesto’s vision for a fairer, more equal, and greener society ‘for the many, not the few’.” Former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said: “I have huge admiration for my great friend and comrade. “I have always enjoyed working alongside her to build a more equal and sustainable society — and I look forward to working with her for many, many years to come.” Ms Winter’s constituency was abolished by the Boundary Commission review of Welsh constituencies and it was merged into a new seat including Merthyr Tydfil, Aberdare and Pontypridd. She complained about the decisions made by the Welsh Labour executive to hold a short campaign for the new seat and only hold online hustings events. The party was accused of gerrymandering the selection process to favour Gerald Jones who won the selection for the new constituency of Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare. Darren Williams, a founding member of Welsh Labour Grassroots, left the Labour Party just before this summer’s general election campaign and paid a fulsome tribute to Ms Winter. He said: “Beth Winter was the outstanding Welsh Labour MP of recent times, who achieved more in her five years in Parliament than most politicians do in several decades.” In recent weeks Ms Winter hosted a “building a movement for people, peace and planet, not profit” conference in Merthyr Tydfil and said: “Now it’s time to turn this into action, working together to achieve a fairer, greener, socialist Cymru for all.” A spokesperson from Welsh Labour Grassroots said it was “saddened at the news and offers our thanks for all her many achievements. “We will continue to fight for socialist policies and for workers’ representatives at the forthcoming Senedd elections that will fight for the many and not the few.” Ms Winter explained: “In truth, the Labour Party has left me, not me the Labour Party.”
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Post by oldie on Nov 5, 2024 14:59:42 GMT
But I ask again, what would you do if multiple higher education institutions were becoming, or are, financially unviable? I would have stated quite clearly what ever plans I had, instead of openly lying about it. You could do that if you started with a blank piece of paper. But if you start with a business plan inherited from others and not worth the paper it was written you would be forced to start again AFTER you inherited that business plan. Which is the case here |
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Post by oldie on Nov 5, 2024 15:00:17 GMT
I would have stated quite clearly what ever plans I had, instead of openly lying about it. Back to my post that confused members ( probably my fault,apologies). "Stop lying". Not Nobby or Oldie,but the Labour Party. Best to stop the sloppy posting then |
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Post by francegas on Nov 5, 2024 15:18:00 GMT
When Starmer campaigned for the Labour Leadership he made abolishing tuition fees one of his ten pledges, saying the party ‘must stand by its commitment to end the national scandal of spiralling student debt and abolish tuition fees'. No mention of the rise in the manifesto, and the Education Secretary saying in just July this year that Labour had no plans to raise fees. Let's not beat around the bush. It is quite clear that Labour were willing to openly lie to get votes. But I ask again, what would you do if multiple higher education institutions were becoming, or are, financially unviable? For a start I would reduce the number of Universities in the UK. For comparison the UK has around 166 Universities compared with 72 in France. Tuition fees in France range between €170 and €650 PA compared with over £9500PA in the UK. I would then get rid of the ridiculous courses available like Circus studies, Flower arranging, knitting etc and put focus on the remaining universities and offer worthwhile degrees. |
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Post by trymer on Nov 5, 2024 15:45:49 GMT
Adding to the post above: Beth Winter resigns from Labour, attacking party's loss of values..by David Nicholson
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Beth Winter MP Cynon ValleyFormer Labour MP Beth Winter resigned from the party today with an excoriating attack on its values and policies under leader Sir Keir Starmer. The socialist MP represented Cynon Valley after the 2019 general election and paid tribute to expelled Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn for the radical manifesto she was elected on. She said: “It has been the greatest honour of my life to serve as the MP for my home, Cynon Valley, elected on the transformative Labour manifesto of 2019. “As a proud socialist I have remained committed to that manifesto’s vision for a fairer, more equal, and greener society ‘for the many, not the few’.” Former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said: “I have huge admiration for my great friend and comrade. “I have always enjoyed working alongside her to build a more equal and sustainable society — and I look forward to working with her for many, many years to come.” Ms Winter’s constituency was abolished by the Boundary Commission review of Welsh constituencies and it was merged into a new seat including Merthyr Tydfil, Aberdare and Pontypridd. She complained about the decisions made by the Welsh Labour executive to hold a short campaign for the new seat and only hold online hustings events. The party was accused of gerrymandering the selection process to favour Gerald Jones who won the selection for the new constituency of Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare. Darren Williams, a founding member of Welsh Labour Grassroots, left the Labour Party just before this summer’s general election campaign and paid a fulsome tribute to Ms Winter. He said: “Beth Winter was the outstanding Welsh Labour MP of recent times, who achieved more in her five years in Parliament than most politicians do in several decades.” In recent weeks Ms Winter hosted a “building a movement for people, peace and planet, not profit” conference in Merthyr Tydfil and said: “Now it’s time to turn this into action, working together to achieve a fairer, greener, socialist Cymru for all.” A spokesperson from Welsh Labour Grassroots said it was “saddened at the news and offers our thanks for all her many achievements. “We will continue to fight for socialist policies and for workers’ representatives at the forthcoming Senedd elections that will fight for the many and not the few.” Ms Winter explained: “In truth, the Labour Party has left me, not me the Labour Party.” Beth Winter seems to be a person of integrity ,no wonder that she has realised that she doesnt belong in the labour party. |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 5, 2024 16:46:37 GMT
Come over to Reform Beth!
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 5, 2024 17:45:23 GMT
Come over to Reform Beth! Good god no! Reform doesn't need or want anyone involved in this Labour disaster. |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 5, 2024 18:26:28 GMT
Come over to Reform Beth! Good god no! Reform doesn't need or want anyone involved in this Labour disaster. She's that bad Nobby? |
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Post by francegas on Nov 5, 2024 18:50:32 GMT
Were you aware that November is Islamophobia awareness month? Good god what next?
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Post by baselswh on Nov 5, 2024 19:18:21 GMT
Were you aware that November is Islamophobia awareness month? Good god what next? 😄 To frown upon or encourage it! |
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Post by bluetornados on Nov 5, 2024 19:30:54 GMT
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Post by oldie on Nov 5, 2024 20:47:24 GMT
Adding to the post above: Beth Winter resigns from Labour, attacking party's loss of values..by David Nicholson
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Beth Winter MP Cynon ValleyFormer Labour MP Beth Winter resigned from the party today with an excoriating attack on its values and policies under leader Sir Keir Starmer. The socialist MP represented Cynon Valley after the 2019 general election and paid tribute to expelled Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn for the radical manifesto she was elected on. She said: “It has been the greatest honour of my life to serve as the MP for my home, Cynon Valley, elected on the transformative Labour manifesto of 2019. “As a proud socialist I have remained committed to that manifesto’s vision for a fairer, more equal, and greener society ‘for the many, not the few’.” Former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said: “I have huge admiration for my great friend and comrade. “I have always enjoyed working alongside her to build a more equal and sustainable society — and I look forward to working with her for many, many years to come.” Ms Winter’s constituency was abolished by the Boundary Commission review of Welsh constituencies and it was merged into a new seat including Merthyr Tydfil, Aberdare and Pontypridd. She complained about the decisions made by the Welsh Labour executive to hold a short campaign for the new seat and only hold online hustings events. The party was accused of gerrymandering the selection process to favour Gerald Jones who won the selection for the new constituency of Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare. Darren Williams, a founding member of Welsh Labour Grassroots, left the Labour Party just before this summer’s general election campaign and paid a fulsome tribute to Ms Winter. He said: “Beth Winter was the outstanding Welsh Labour MP of recent times, who achieved more in her five years in Parliament than most politicians do in several decades.” In recent weeks Ms Winter hosted a “building a movement for people, peace and planet, not profit” conference in Merthyr Tydfil and said: “Now it’s time to turn this into action, working together to achieve a fairer, greener, socialist Cymru for all.” A spokesperson from Welsh Labour Grassroots said it was “saddened at the news and offers our thanks for all her many achievements. “We will continue to fight for socialist policies and for workers’ representatives at the forthcoming Senedd elections that will fight for the many and not the few.” Ms Winter explained: “In truth, the Labour Party has left me, not me the Labour Party.” Beth Winter seems to be a person of integrity ,no wonder that she has realised that she doesnt belong in the labour party. Christ Now you supporting a socialist former MP and die hard Corbyn supporter? Ye if no firm convictions |
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Post by aghast on Nov 5, 2024 21:13:28 GMT
The swines. Where is our "Nige" 😂 In US,covering election for GB News. Trump introduced him at a rally,big cheers. Well from what I hear he's very rarely spotted in Clacton. It's almost as if he doesn't care? |
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Post by aghast on Nov 5, 2024 21:17:55 GMT
But I ask again, what would you do if multiple higher education institutions were becoming, or are, financially unviable? For a start I would reduce the number of Universities in the UK. For comparison the UK has around 166 Universities compared with 72 in France. Tuition fees in France range between €170 and €650 PA compared with over £9500PA in the UK. I would then get rid of the ridiculous courses available like Circus studies, Flower arranging, knitting etc and put focus on the remaining universities and offer worthwhile degrees. You support state subsidies for higher education? Wish you'd been in the coalition government when they tripled tuition fees from £3,000 to £9,000 in 2012. You might have been able to stop it and not get all het up now about Labour's £285 increase. |
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Post by oldie on Nov 5, 2024 21:19:04 GMT
In US,covering election for GB News. Trump introduced him at a rally,big cheers. Well from what I hear he's very rarely spotted in Clacton. It's almost as if he doesn't care? Can we Sue him? Taking taxpayers money on a false pretence? Obtaining money by misrepresentation and false pretense? In common language a "Grifter" But we knew that..didn't we? |
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Post by oldie on Nov 5, 2024 21:21:28 GMT
For a start I would reduce the number of Universities in the UK. For comparison the UK has around 166 Universities compared with 72 in France. Tuition fees in France range between €170 and €650 PA compared with over £9500PA in the UK. I would then get rid of the ridiculous courses available like Circus studies, Flower arranging, knitting etc and put focus on the remaining universities and offer worthwhile degrees. You support state subsidies for higher education? Wish you'd been in the coalition government when they tripled tuition fees from £3,000 to £9,000 in 2012. You might have been able to stop it and not get all het up now about Labour's £285 increase. 😂😂😂 Tell em Aghast Cue silence from those...who don't know. Or, more worryingly, are incapable of cognitive reasoning. |
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Post by baselswh on Nov 6, 2024 8:13:41 GMT
Lammy should now be given a couple of days to resign and if he does'nt,he must be sacked.
He's an embarrassment to the UK.
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Post by baselswh on Nov 6, 2024 8:41:26 GMT
Once Labour stop sulking,hopefully they'll give it their all to negotiate a genuine free trade deal with with the USA.
Maybe our Nige can help out.
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