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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 7, 2024 10:03:35 GMT
Sue Grey was said to be a formidable operator in her time working for the Civil Service. However, she didn't last the first 100 days in the real world. She has been replaced by Morgan McSweeny. What does this tell us about the people at the top of the Civil Service?
In the meantime.....
"Imogen Walker is a newly elected Labour MP. She is also Morgan McSweeny's wife. Within days of being elected she was rapidly promoted as PPS to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. What a co-incidence! The register of MPs' interests show she has received a £10k donation from Labour Together, the director of which was .... Morgan McSweeny."
Just how corrupt is this government?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 7, 2024 10:42:00 GMT
Looks like the public don't trust most of the current political parties - They even think the Reform Party Ltd is almost as sleazy as Labour..... A majority of Britons describe the Labour government as 'sleazy'
Current Labour govt: 59% say is very/fairly sleazy Tory govts 2019-24: 77% British govts in general: 77% Reform UK: 51% Lib Dems: 24% Greens: 18%
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 7, 2024 11:32:01 GMT
Looks like the public don't trust most of the current political parties - They even think the Reform Party Ltd is almost as sleazy as Labour..... A majority of Britons describe the Labour government as 'sleazy' Current Labour govt: 59% say is very/fairly sleazy Tory govts 2019-24: 77% British govts in general: 77% Reform UK: 51% Lib Dems: 24% Greens: 18% To be fair Reform cannot be as sleazy as there are only 5 MP's, and very little back-room staff! In fact, one of the Reform MP's gives his MP's wages to charity!
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 7, 2024 12:52:54 GMT
Looks like the public don't trust most of the current political parties - They even think the Reform Party Ltd is almost as sleazy as Labour..... A majority of Britons describe the Labour government as 'sleazy' Current Labour govt: 59% say is very/fairly sleazy Tory govts 2019-24: 77% British govts in general: 77% Reform UK: 51% Lib Dems: 24% Greens: 18% To be fair Reform cannot be as sleazy as there are only 5 MP's, and very little back-room staff! In fact, one of the Reform MP's gives his MP's wages to charity! So what you are saying is, it's OK and its acceptable to you for the public to mistrust Labour and the Conservatives but you don't accept their view on Reform. Labour has been in power 3 months but that's OK. Lee Anderson has been an MP for years and was caught lying. Nigel Farage was an MEP for a number of years, although attended very little, I appreciate. Reform has backtracked already on its commitment [contract] with its voters. Today Nigel Farage backtracked on his claim that the Speakers Office had advised him not to hold surgeries because of safety issues. He criticises others about expenses but says his flights shouldn't be questioned as they came from a friend. But the public is wrong.....
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 7, 2024 13:08:48 GMT
To be fair Reform cannot be as sleazy as there are only 5 MP's, and very little back-room staff! In fact, one of the Reform MP's gives his MP's wages to charity! So what you are saying is, it's OK and its acceptable to you for the public to mistrust Labour and the Conservatives but you don't accept their view on Reform. Labour has been in power 3 months but that's OK. Lee Anderson has been an MP for years and was caught lying. Nigel Farage was an MEP for a number of years, although attended very little, I appreciate. Reform has backtracked already on its commitment [contract] with its voters. Today Nigel Farage backtracked on his claim that the Speakers Office had advised him not to hold surgeries because of safety issues. He criticises others about expenses but says his flights shouldn't be questioned as they came from a friend. But the public is wrong..... You are still falling for it Terry. Reform have 5 MP's. They are a nothing Party. We are all more concerned with the ruling Labour Party. The public mistrust Tory and Labour parties based on experience and evidence !
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 7, 2024 13:29:09 GMT
So what you are saying is, it's OK and its acceptable to you for the public to mistrust Labour and the Conservatives but you don't accept their view on Reform. Labour has been in power 3 months but that's OK. Lee Anderson has been an MP for years and was caught lying. Nigel Farage was an MEP for a number of years, although attended very little, I appreciate. Reform has backtracked already on its commitment [contract] with its voters. Today Nigel Farage backtracked on his claim that the Speakers Office had advised him not to hold surgeries because of safety issues. He criticises others about expenses but says his flights shouldn't be questioned as they came from a friend. But the public is wrong..... You are still falling for it Terry. Reform have 5 MP's. They are a nothing Party. We are all more concerned with the ruling Labour Party. The public mistrust Tory and Labour parties based on experience and evidence ! Hang on a mo, Nobby. Falling for what? We are told on here that Reform is the up and coming party, and as highlighted they polled more votes than the Liberal Democrats who are far more trusted. The evidence so far is that Farage is no different to the main parties with regards to expenses and backtracking on promises. Further he is failing to represent the people who elected him and is more interested in travel and being on TV. He is the figurehead for Reform. He sets the tone yet repeats false messages by people like Andrew Tate and others. Lee Anderson has been caught lying in the past. He is promoted by Reform as a key player and spokesman. But you say you are prepared to excuse them. Reform are judged by their actions not their words.
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 7, 2024 14:07:01 GMT
You are still falling for it Terry. Reform have 5 MP's. They are a nothing Party. We are all more concerned with the ruling Labour Party. The public mistrust Tory and Labour parties based on experience and evidence ! Hang on a mo, Nobby. Falling for what? We are told on here that Reform is the up and coming party, and as highlighted they polled more votes than the Liberal Democrats who are far more trusted. The evidence so far is that Farage is no different to the main parties with regards to expenses and backtracking on promises. Further he is failing to represent the people who elected him and is more interested in travel and being on TV. He is the figurehead for Reform. He sets the tone yet repeats false messages by people like Andrew Tate and others. Lee Anderson has been caught lying in the past. He is promoted by Reform as a key player and spokesman. But you say you are prepared to excuse them. Reform are judged by their actions not their words. No, I am not saying I am willing to excuse them. Those are your words. I'll hold them to account when they get into office, until then they are a small minor party on a par with the Green Party. They are not worth the deflection from the real issue of corruption and sleaze in the ruling government. I'm more concerned with the present.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 7, 2024 14:18:42 GMT
Labour continue to be worried about the rise of Reform.
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Post by oldie on Oct 7, 2024 17:50:22 GMT
Hang on a mo, Nobby. Falling for what? We are told on here that Reform is the up and coming party, and as highlighted they polled more votes than the Liberal Democrats who are far more trusted. The evidence so far is that Farage is no different to the main parties with regards to expenses and backtracking on promises. Further he is failing to represent the people who elected him and is more interested in travel and being on TV. He is the figurehead for Reform. He sets the tone yet repeats false messages by people like Andrew Tate and others. Lee Anderson has been caught lying in the past. He is promoted by Reform as a key player and spokesman. But you say you are prepared to excuse them. Reform are judged by their actions not their words. No, I am not saying I am willing to excuse them. Those are your words. I'll hold them to account when they get into office, until then they are a small minor party on a par with the Green Party. They are not worth the deflection from the real issue of corruption and sleaze in the ruling government. I'm more concerned with the present. That's all perfectly reasonable and an acceptable argument. But it does not recognise that Reform have a considerable constituency as shown at the last election, defined by the number of votes they received. What they say, their narrative, holds considerable sway with a large number of people. So it is important to pick out their hypocrisy, their flawed ideology and their economic incoherence.
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Post by baldrick on Oct 7, 2024 18:16:29 GMT
Hang on a mo, Nobby. Falling for what? We are told on here that Reform is the up and coming party, and as highlighted they polled more votes than the Liberal Democrats who are far more trusted. The evidence so far is that Farage is no different to the main parties with regards to expenses and backtracking on promises. Further he is failing to represent the people who elected him and is more interested in travel and being on TV. He is the figurehead for Reform. He sets the tone yet repeats false messages by people like Andrew Tate and others. Lee Anderson has been caught lying in the past. He is promoted by Reform as a key player and spokesman. But you say you are prepared to excuse them. Reform are judged by their actions not their words. No, I am not saying I am willing to excuse them. Those are your words. I'll hold them to account when they get into office, until then they are a small minor party on a par with the Green Party. They are not worth the deflection from the real issue of corruption and sleaze in the ruling government. I'm more concerned with the present. "I'll hold them to account when they get into office," - too late by then, anyone who wants to hold public office needs to be scrutinised and held to account.
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Post by baldrick on Oct 7, 2024 19:07:22 GMT
"UK law enforcement, in collaboration with Bulgarian authorities, has successfully intercepted a significant number of maritime equipment intended for criminal gangs facilitating illegal Channel crossings. According to a press release, this joint effort between the UK National Crime Agency (NCA), the Home Office, and the Bulgarian National Customs Agency has led to the seizure of hundreds of boats, engines, and other equipment used by people smugglers over the past 12 months. In total, 33 separate interceptions have resulted in the confiscation of 125 dangerous inflatable boats, 128 outboard engines, more than 700 pumps, and 300 rubber rings, valued at approximately £16.6 million in lost profits for the criminal organisations." ukdefencejournal.org.uk/authorities-seize-boat-engines-destined-for-people-smugglers/
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 8, 2024 7:39:18 GMT
No, I am not saying I am willing to excuse them. Those are your words. I'll hold them to account when they get into office, until then they are a small minor party on a par with the Green Party. They are not worth the deflection from the real issue of corruption and sleaze in the ruling government. I'm more concerned with the present. "I'll hold them to account when they get into office," - too late by then, anyone who wants to hold public office needs to be scrutinised and held to account. Well, the MSM didn't do a very good job with this current government did they?
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Post by baldrick on Oct 8, 2024 7:44:46 GMT
"I'll hold them to account when they get into office," - too late by then, anyone who wants to hold public office needs to be scrutinised and held to account. Well, the MSM didn't do a very good job with this current government did they? And? Nobody should be given a free ride from scrutiny.
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Post by trymer on Oct 8, 2024 8:35:01 GMT
"I'll hold them to account when they get into office," - too late by then, anyone who wants to hold public office needs to be scrutinised and held to account. Well, the MSM didn't do a very good job with this current government did they? The first hundred days of this govt have made them extremely unpopular,it will be interesting to see what happens if they carry on like this, possibly a huge civil war in the labour party ?
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Post by baldrick on Oct 9, 2024 9:58:49 GMT
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Post by trymer on Oct 9, 2024 18:15:36 GMT
No, I am not saying I am willing to excuse them. Those are your words. I'll hold them to account when they get into office, until then they are a small minor party on a par with the Green Party. They are not worth the deflection from the real issue of corruption and sleaze in the ruling government. I'm more concerned with the present. That's all perfectly reasonable and an acceptable argument. But it does not recognise that Reform have a considerable constituency as shown at the last election, defined by the number of votes they received. What they say, their narrative, holds considerable sway with a large number of people. So it is important to pick out their hypocrisy, their flawed ideology and their economic incoherence. All very true but sadly for you nobody who intends to vote for Reform will be put off by you or any other lefties,you are discredited by voting the present rabble in.
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Post by oldie on Oct 9, 2024 18:20:47 GMT
That's all perfectly reasonable and an acceptable argument. But it does not recognise that Reform have a considerable constituency as shown at the last election, defined by the number of votes they received. What they say, their narrative, holds considerable sway with a large number of people. So it is important to pick out their hypocrisy, their flawed ideology and their economic incoherence. All very true but sadly for you nobody who intends to vote for Reform will be put off by you or any other lefties,you are discredited by voting the present rabble in. I agree, of course they will not. You cannot quote facts or argue with Pork, can you. Hopefully they are a minority
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Post by trymer on Oct 9, 2024 18:24:34 GMT
All very true but sadly for you nobody who intends to vote for Reform will be put off by you or any other lefties,you are discredited by voting the present rabble in. I agree, of course they will not. You cannot quote facts or argue with Pork, can you. Hopefully they are a minority Well labour got in with a minority of the electorate so Reform could too,in a few years time there will be plenty of disgruntled people who want to give labour a kicking and what better way to do that than by voting for Farage ?
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Post by oldie on Oct 9, 2024 18:37:31 GMT
I agree, of course they will not. You cannot quote facts or argue with Pork, can you. Hopefully they are a minority Well labour got in with a minority of the electorate so Reform could too,in a few years time there will be plenty of disgruntled people who want to give labour a kicking and what better way to do that than by voting for Farage ? Each to their own. Personally I cannot vote for ignorance and Pork
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Post by francegas on Oct 9, 2024 19:31:37 GMT
Starmer tells another Lie. He says the Falklands are very personal to him because his Uncle nearly died when the ship he was serving on was torpedoed by the Argentinian forces and sunk.
No British ship during the conflict was sunk by a torpedo. Infact the only ship which sunk when hit by a torpedo was the Belgrano.
Starmers Uncle was serving on HMS Antelope which was bombed by low flying aircraft. The bombs failed to detonate. Later in the evening experts tried to defuse one of the bombs but it exploded instantly killing one member of the bomb disposal team.
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