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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 16, 2024 8:59:19 GMT
🙂 We should prioritise who we want and control numbers. Yes but we used to have EU citizens, many of whom came, worked, were no strain on the health service and often went back after a few years but people didn't like that either. EU citizens can still quite freely work in the UK Terry. You know that so why perpetuate this myth? I freely work within the EU. No problem.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 16, 2024 9:03:10 GMT
Demographic time bomb, need to recruit people from overseas to maintain the economy to pay for older people, but don't want to import people with such a different view to our own? Heres a novel idea, maybe we should prioritise Europeans? Oh, I see. 🤦♂️ Dear dear dear. Can you not debate a subject without going all sixth formish and simplistic? Nobody disagrees with immigration, but it has to be controlled immigration. The country has to ensure the right type of workers are coming into the country, and not just people who will be a drain on the resources. Nothing to do with anyone having different views to our own. Why should we proritize Europeans? Isn't that being narrow minded? Your suggestion that we do so smacks of raising the drawbridge to the rest of the world. Far from it, sarcasm obviously hasn't translated in written speech well. As for disagreeing with immigration or "nothing to do with anyone having different views", ask Bas and Ice why they don't want Islam in this country.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 16, 2024 9:05:44 GMT
Yes but we used to have EU citizens, many of whom came, worked, were no strain on the health service and often went back after a few years but people didn't like that either. EU citizens can still quite freely work in the UK Terry. You know that so why perpetuate this myth? I freely work within the EU. No problem. Given the choice of working in the UK with the paperwork and securities needed, or freedom of movement to work in say, Ireland or Spain, which is easier or more appealing?
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 16, 2024 9:27:42 GMT
EU citizens can still quite freely work in the UK Terry. You know that so why perpetuate this myth? I freely work within the EU. No problem. Given the choice of working in the UK with the paperwork and securities needed, or freedom of movement to work in say, Ireland or Spain, which is easier or more appealing? Depends on where either (a) the job is located or (b) where the money is!
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 16, 2024 11:07:56 GMT
Yes but we used to have EU citizens, many of whom came, worked, were no strain on the health service and often went back after a few years but people didn't like that either. What Europeans can we have these days? Any skilled ones that want to come, some still do. But there are a lot that have gone including those in the Health Service like my daughters two friends, one Pole and one Hungarian, very experienced clinical psychologists who no longer feel welcome. My wife has also seen quite a number go from the North West Hospitals she works in.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 16, 2024 11:10:09 GMT
Yes but we used to have EU citizens, many of whom came, worked, were no strain on the health service and often went back after a few years but people didn't like that either. EU citizens can still quite freely work in the UK Terry. You know that so why perpetuate this myth? I freely work within the EU. No problem. Not freely Nobby, you said yourself the processes you have to go through in able to work in the EU. EU citizens can still apply to work in the UK through various channels, but it is not as simple as you say, and many don't feel welcome. It is no longer the go to country it was.
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Post by oldie on Sept 16, 2024 11:37:05 GMT
Demographic time bomb, need to recruit people from overseas to maintain the economy to pay for older people, but don't want to import people with such a different view to our own? Heres a novel idea, maybe we should prioritise Europeans? Oh, I see. 🤦♂️ Dear dear dear. Can you not debate a subject without going all sixth formish and simplistic? Nobody disagrees with immigration, but it has to be controlled immigration. The country has to ensure the right type of workers are coming into the country, and not just people who will be a drain on the resources. Nothing to do with anyone having different views to our own. Why should we proritize Europeans? Isn't that being narrow minded? Your suggestion that we do so smacks of raising the drawbridge to the rest of the world. That pinhead you are dancing on is getting smaller and smaller
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 16, 2024 12:57:16 GMT
Dear dear dear. Can you not debate a subject without going all sixth formish and simplistic? Nobody disagrees with immigration, but it has to be controlled immigration. The country has to ensure the right type of workers are coming into the country, and not just people who will be a drain on the resources. Nothing to do with anyone having different views to our own. Why should we proritize Europeans? Isn't that being narrow minded? Your suggestion that we do so smacks of raising the drawbridge to the rest of the world. That pinhead you are dancing on is getting smaller and smaller Go away you silly man if you haven't got anything to contribute except snidy remarks.
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Post by oldie on Sept 16, 2024 13:30:57 GMT
That pinhead you are dancing on is getting smaller and smaller Go away you silly man if you haven't got anything to contribute except snidy remarks. I have already said it. The UK is sleep walking into a demographic time bomb. And we cut off our nose to spite our face by uncoupling ourselves from a labour force in the EU whose education and standards were the same as ours. But you won't accept that I know, by continuing to pretend that it is just as easy to work in the EU and the UK for citizens as it was before. It's not. But you know that. I think.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 16, 2024 14:39:13 GMT
That pinhead you are dancing on is getting smaller and smaller Go away you silly man if you haven't got anything to contribute except snidy remarks. Prove him wrong rather than name calling then Nobby!
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 16, 2024 15:00:54 GMT
Demographic time bomb, need to recruit people from overseas to maintain the economy to pay for older people, but don't want to import people with such a different view to our own? Heres a novel idea, maybe we should prioritise Europeans? Oh, I see. 🤦♂️ Dear dear dear. Can you not debate a subject without going all sixth formish and simplistic? Nobody disagrees with immigration, but it has to be controlled immigration. The country has to ensure the right type of workers are coming into the country, and not just people who will be a drain on the resources. Nothing to do with anyone having different views to our own. Why should we proritize Europeans? Isn't that being narrow minded? Your suggestion that we do so smacks of raising the drawbridge to the rest of the world. The Europeans who tend to come bring less dependents than those from South East Asia. I will try to find the article I read which showed ONS statistics. Although a lot of information can be found here - migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/family-migration-to-the-uk/But in general Europeans tend to bring only [if at all] children and on average the total extended family of those who come averaged 4/5. However because of the nature of family relationships, if people come from South East Asia or Africa they tend to seek permission to bring dependents, such as parents and extended family. Hence the change made by the last Government to visas. In the past average numbers for these were 7/8 but up to 11/12. Whereas EU citizens with children who were working might benefit from say child benefit and schooling, South East Asian families bringing parents might have non workers dependent on other state support such as health, age based benefits.
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Post by trymer on Sept 16, 2024 15:10:48 GMT
1475 Albanians in prison in Britain ? how many Albanians live here ? The 2021 UK Census recorded 67,957 people born in Albania resident in England, with 715 people in Wales, and 142 people in Northern Ireland. The number of residents of England born in Kosovo was 30,427, with 90 recorded in Wales and 60 in Northern Ireland. Thanks for the figures Cheshire. So am I right in saying that there are about 140 prisoners per 100,000 for the population of Britain but Albanians in prison in Britain are 1400 per 100,000 ?...if thats correct they are industrious but I doubt whether they paid £ thousands to get here with the intention of picking fruit or working in the Amazon warehouse.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 16, 2024 15:22:54 GMT
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 16, 2024 17:54:08 GMT
Go away you silly man if you haven't got anything to contribute except snidy remarks. Prove him wrong rather than name calling then Nobby! Sorry but, "That pinhead you are dancing on is getting smaller and smaller". Just what am I to 'prove' from his inane comment? Where is his counter argument? Rather than constantly producing these childish comments I reckon the onus is actually on him to 'prove' me wrong.
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Post by oldie on Sept 16, 2024 18:09:46 GMT
Prove him wrong rather than name calling then Nobby! Sorry but, "That pinhead you are dancing on is getting smaller and smaller". Just what am I to 'prove' from his inane comment? Where is his counter argument? Rather than constantly producing these childish comments I reckon the onus is actually on him to 'prove' me wrong. I did quote the report on the demographic challenges in the UK
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Post by baldrick on Sept 16, 2024 19:25:01 GMT
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Post by oldie on Sept 16, 2024 19:53:42 GMT
Now they can crack on sort out this chaos
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 16, 2024 20:36:54 GMT
Just turn the heating down on the wards...
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Post by oldie on Sept 16, 2024 21:47:33 GMT
Just turn the heating down on the wards... What heating?
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Post by baldrick on Sept 16, 2024 22:04:08 GMT
Just turn the heating down on the wards... What heating? The heat generated by the machines and the people more than makes up for it.
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