baselswh
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 6,200
Member is Online
|
Post by baselswh on Sept 15, 2024 7:12:55 GMT
Several more migrants have died off the coast of France.Friday night I think,details will soon be released,unless 2TK decides it's for our own good not to know.
"Smash the gangs" is looking effective.
|
|
baselswh
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 6,200
Member is Online
|
Post by baselswh on Sept 15, 2024 7:20:56 GMT
Geert Lush Wilders continues to do good work regarding stopping the migrant invasion in Holland.
I don't suppose 2TK talks to him.
|
|
|
Post by baldrick on Sept 15, 2024 7:23:30 GMT
Link? There are two I'm aware of, one was arrested within seconds of leaving and another for groping a prison guard. Farage,GB News. "A suspected rapist was let out of prison by Kier Starmer". Google that and you should find a short video of Nigel. On the GB News Facebook I think it's mentioned by one or two others too. It was'nt difficult to see the 2TK early release offenders reoffending. So no actual link to a case or any primary source. Just Nigel saying so.
|
|
baselswh
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 6,200
Member is Online
|
Post by baselswh on Sept 15, 2024 7:25:18 GMT
Farage,GB News. "A suspected rapist was let out of prison by Kier Starmer". Google that and you should find a short video of Nigel. On the GB News Facebook I think it's mentioned by one or two others too. It was'nt difficult to see the 2TK early release offenders reoffending. So no actual link to a case or any primary source. Just Nigel saying so. The Left, Wokeriety and Ofcom watch every breath Farage takes.His word is probably the most reliable in British politics. As I posted,GB News have spoken about it too.Again Ofcom listening to every word. You have a problem believing 2TKs early release scheme won't see reoffending?๐
|
|
|
Post by baldrick on Sept 15, 2024 7:29:12 GMT
So no actual link to a case or any primary source. Just Nigel saying so. The Left, Wokeriety and Ofcom watch every breath Farage takes.His word is probably the most reliable in British politics. Reliable and politics don't often go together. Did he just say "suspected rapist" or was any story or case associated with it? Is it the one Ice found or another?
|
|
|
Post by baldrick on Sept 15, 2024 7:32:08 GMT
So no actual link to a case or any primary source. Just Nigel saying so. The Left, Wokeriety and Ofcom watch every breath Farage takes.His word is probably the most reliable in British politics. As I posted,GB News have spoken about it too.Again Ofcom listening to every word. You have a problem believing 2TKs early release scheme won't see reoffending?๐ In answer to your second bit added after my first reply, no, of course we'll see reoffending. However what this is, is an expansion of what is already in place and I'm not convinced serving a little longer will change that. It does highlight issues within the prison system and more widely.
|
|
baselswh
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 6,200
Member is Online
|
Post by baselswh on Sept 15, 2024 7:42:06 GMT
The Left, Wokeriety and Ofcom watch every breath Farage takes.His word is probably the most reliable in British politics. Reliable and politics don't often go together. Did he just say "suspected rapist" or was any story or case associated with it? Is it the one Ice found or another? Check the video Baldrick. Google what I posted.
|
|
|
Post by baldrick on Sept 15, 2024 8:42:13 GMT
Reliable and politics don't often go together. Did he just say "suspected rapist" or was any story or case associated with it? Is it the one Ice found or another? Check the video Baldrick. Google what I posted. I have. So it's the one immediately rearrested on leaving prison. He's not free then, but back in the system. Was he a threat to the public because he was released early at any point?
|
|
Cheshiregas
Global Moderator
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,645
|
Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 15, 2024 13:30:35 GMT
Some people getting hysterical about the early release scheme really need to get a grip, including some of our politicians who are, shall we say, economic with the truth! There are very restrictive criteria and the worst offenders will not be released neither will those involved in domestic abuse and the associated crimes such as stalking etc.
The current Government is following that set by the Tory Government, it is that of people who have served 50% of their sentence can, if they meet certain criteria, be eligible for release. This has been lowered to 40%. That means that someone on the maximum of 4 years will serve 5 months less. 5 bloody months, so why all the histrionics and tantrums? Politics at its very worst.
Total smoke and mirrors.
And the guy who was rearrested would have been rearrested anyway as he walked out as he was to be charged with an offence committed in prison, that of contacting his ex-wife when there was an order against him not to. This happens on numerous occasions, its nothing unusual or specific to the early release scheme.
I actually get the impression some people would prefer the prisons to be stuffed full, with riots and murders. Labour damned if they do something, damned if they don't!!
|
|
|
Post by baldrick on Sept 15, 2024 13:47:03 GMT
Some people getting hysterical about the early release scheme really need to get a grip, including some of our politicians who are, shall we say, economic with the truth! There are very restrictive criteria and the worst offenders will not be released neither will those involved in domestic abuse and the associated crimes such as stalking etc. The current Government is following that set by the Tory Government, it is that of people who have served 50% of their sentence can, if they meet certain criteria, be eligible for release. This has been lowered to 40%. That means that someone on the maximum of 4 years will serve 5 months less. 5 bloody months, so why all the histrionics and tantrums? Politics at its very worst.
Total smoke and mirrors. And the guy who was rearrested would have been rearrested anyway as he walked out as he was to be charged with an offence committed in prison, that of contacting his ex-wife when there was an order against him not to. This happens on numerous occasions, its nothing unusual or specific to the early release scheme. I actually get the impression some people would prefer the prisons to be stuffed full, with riots and murders. Labour damned if they do something, damned if they don't!! It's like politics only started after the election, everything that happened before becomes inherited by the new government and the (now) Opposition have the slate wiped clean. How convenient. ๐
|
|
|
Post by francegas on Sept 15, 2024 15:26:53 GMT
|
|
|
Post by baldrick on Sept 15, 2024 15:41:24 GMT
He didn't actually kill him so although he was convicted of manslaughter, his sentence was lower than the early release parameters. Incidentally those parameters were from the Conservatives, as Cheshire has pointed out, Labour have reduced it from 50% to 40%. Unlike the Mail to over egg the headlines. "Eighteen-year-old Lawson Natty, who supplied the machete that killed him, was sentenced to two years and eight months for manslaughter in March. He had already spent eight-and-a-half months on remand and is to be released in just two weeks under Labour's scheme, meaning he will have served 14 months in total. Prisoners who meet the criteria will be released after serving 40 per cent of their sentence in custody rather than the 50 per cent they serve now. 'These changes are due to happen from September, so no prisoner will be released under the scheme prior to that time. 'We have been advised that Lawson Natty meets the criteria for this scheme, so I'm writing to inform you that the release will be brought forward.' Gordon died six days after being fatally injured in a fight between rival gang members near a park. He was stabbed in the arm by a machete wielded by Carlos Neto, 18, who was jailed for nine years and two months for manslaughter. Natty was also armed, but did not use the machete, a jury at Newcastle Crown Court was told."
|
|
|
Post by francegas on Sept 15, 2024 16:00:52 GMT
He didn't actually kill him so although he was convicted of manslaughter, his sentence was lower than the early release parameters. Incidentally those parameters were from the Conservatives, as Cheshire has pointed out, Labour have reduced it from 50% to 40%. Unlike the Mail to over egg the headlines. "Eighteen-year-old Lawson Natty, who supplied the machete that killed him, was sentenced to two years and eight months for manslaughter in March. He had already spent eight-and-a-half months on remand and is to be released in just two weeks under Labour's scheme, meaning he will have served 14 months in total. Prisoners who meet the criteria will be released after serving 40 per cent of their sentence in custody rather than the 50 per cent they serve now. 'These changes are due to happen from September, so no prisoner will be released under the scheme prior to that time. 'We have been advised that Lawson Natty meets the criteria for this scheme, so I'm writing to inform you that the release will be brought forward.' Gordon died six days after being fatally injured in a fight between rival gang members near a park. He was stabbed in the arm by a machete wielded by Carlos Neto, 18, who was jailed for nine years and two months for manslaughter. Natty was also armed, but did not use the machete, a jury at Newcastle Crown Court was told." Oh... sorry that makes it ok then. He may not have made the fatal blow but he supplied the weapon that did knowing full well what that machete was going to be used for so is an accessory to murder/manslaughter which can carry the same sentence as the person who inflicted the fatal wound. That scum bag who supplied the weapon was also armed so heโs hardly whiter than white (no pun intended). Again try explaining that to the victims mother, imagine if it were one of your own would you be happy with his early release.... I certainly wouldn't.
|
|
|
Post by baldrick on Sept 15, 2024 16:08:14 GMT
He didn't actually kill him so although he was convicted of manslaughter, his sentence was lower than the early release parameters. Incidentally those parameters were from the Conservatives, as Cheshire has pointed out, Labour have reduced it from 50% to 40%. Unlike the Mail to over egg the headlines. "Eighteen-year-old Lawson Natty, who supplied the machete that killed him, was sentenced to two years and eight months for manslaughter in March. He had already spent eight-and-a-half months on remand and is to be released in just two weeks under Labour's scheme, meaning he will have served 14 months in total. Prisoners who meet the criteria will be released after serving 40 per cent of their sentence in custody rather than the 50 per cent they serve now. 'These changes are due to happen from September, so no prisoner will be released under the scheme prior to that time. 'We have been advised that Lawson Natty meets the criteria for this scheme, so I'm writing to inform you that the release will be brought forward.' Gordon died six days after being fatally injured in a fight between rival gang members near a park. He was stabbed in the arm by a machete wielded by Carlos Neto, 18, who was jailed for nine years and two months for manslaughter. Natty was also armed, but did not use the machete, a jury at Newcastle Crown Court was told." Oh... sorry that makes it ok then. He may not have made the fatal blow but he supplied the weapon that did knowing full well what that machete was going to be used for so is an accessory to murder/manslaughter which can carry the same sentence as the person who inflicted the fatal wound. That scum bag who supplied the weapon was also armed so heโs hardly whiter than white (no pun intended). Again try explaining that to the victims mother, imagine if it were one of your own would you be happy with his early release.... I certainly wouldn't. Not defending it and personally wouldn't include such crimes in the scheme, however the faux outrage and crocodile tears from certain quarters is sickening. He would be eligible to be released early regardless of the recent sentence reductions, something lost or ignored by those who should know better.
|
|
baselswh
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 6,200
Member is Online
|
Post by baselswh on Sept 15, 2024 16:11:30 GMT
Several more migrants have died off the coast of France.Friday night I think,details will soon be released,unless 2TK decides it's for our own good not to know. "Smash the gangs" is looking effective. 8 died.
|
|
|
Post by francegas on Sept 15, 2024 17:26:30 GMT
Several more migrants have died off the coast of France.Friday night I think,details will soon be released,unless 2TK decides it's for our own good not to know. "Smash the gangs" is looking effective. 8 died. 801 arrived on UK shores yesterday.
|
|
baselswh
Joined: May 2021
Posts: 6,200
Member is Online
|
Post by baselswh on Sept 15, 2024 17:40:57 GMT
801 arrived on UK shores yesterday. Labours mass immigration policy is going well for them.
|
|
trymer
Joined: November 2018
Posts: 2,275
|
Post by trymer on Sept 15, 2024 17:44:57 GMT
Of the prison population in the UK of approx. 80,000 prisoners, 10% of then are foreign nationals. Wouldn't it be logical to just export that 10%? The previous Government and this one will continue to do so. The Government has up to 18 months [increased from 12 months] to remove them if they eligible for repatriation provided that its not an unsafe country which many argue should not be a criteria to stop it. Under UK legislation, the government has a duty to consider deportation of foreign nationals convicted of an offence in the UK and sentenced to at least 12 monthsโ imprisonment. It can remove foreign national offenders before the end of their prison sentence through various schemes and through prisoner transfer agreements. The deportation of foreign national offenders is a government priority. During 2023, 3,926 foreign national offenders were returned. lordslibrary.parliament.uk/foreign-national-offenders-in-uk-prisons-powers-to-deport/#:~:text=As%20at%2031%20December%202023%2C%20there,were%2010%2C423%20foreign%20nationals%20in%20prison.%20 Table 1. Top 10 nationalities of foreign national offenders held in prisons in England and Wales Nationality Number of FNOs in 2023 Albanian 1,475 Polish 856 Romanian 758 Irish 624 - generally not repatriated under an agreement with the Irish Government Lithuanian 402 Jamaican 403 Pakistani 306 Somalian 281 Portuguese 300 Nigerian 199 Total foreign national prisoners 10,321 [total prison population at 29/12/2023 - 87,216, therefore foreign nationals at 11.8%] Edited to correct eligibility period to removal period. 1475 Albanians in prison in Britain ? how many Albanians live here ?
|
|
trymer
Joined: November 2018
Posts: 2,275
|
Post by trymer on Sept 15, 2024 17:45:46 GMT
801 arrived on UK shores yesterday. Labours mass immigration policy is going well for them. "smash the gangs"....easier said than done I think.
|
|
|
Post by francegas on Sept 15, 2024 17:51:15 GMT
So roughly 10 weeks into Starmers' regime and already he may have broken Parliamentary rules by not declaring party donations of clothing to his wife. Have things got so bad in the UK that the PM can't afford to buy his own wife's clothes? ๐
|
|