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Post by oldie on Sept 4, 2024 17:39:15 GMT
Another Starmer lie.... "Yesterday I took a call from a senior member of London's Jewish community. He is a longstanding supporter of Labour, a significant donor, and a champion of Keir Starmer and his efforts to reform his party. 'He's lost the community', he told me. 'All the work he's done over the past few years. It's been destroyed in eight weeks'. On October 10 last year, three days after the appalling Hamas terrorist attack, Keir Starmer turned up at a Labour Friends of Israel reception at his party conference in Liverpool. With his shadow foreign secretary David Lammy at his side, he solemnly declared: 'In this dark hour, Labour stands with Israel'. He added: 'Labour stands firmly in support of Israel's right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect its citizens.' It was all a lie. On Monday the Prime Minister signed off an arms embargo on Israel that will undermine its capacity to defend itself, rescue its hostages and protect its citizens." Where was this opinion piece from? Guido's daily rant? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 19:11:09 GMT
Another Starmer lie.... "Yesterday I took a call from a senior member of London's Jewish community. He is a longstanding supporter of Labour, a significant donor, and a champion of Keir Starmer and his efforts to reform his party. 'He's lost the community', he told me. 'All the work he's done over the past few years. It's been destroyed in eight weeks'. On October 10 last year, three days after the appalling Hamas terrorist attack, Keir Starmer turned up at a Labour Friends of Israel reception at his party conference in Liverpool. With his shadow foreign secretary David Lammy at his side, he solemnly declared: 'In this dark hour, Labour stands with Israel'. He added: 'Labour stands firmly in support of Israel's right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect its citizens.' It was all a lie. On Monday the Prime Minister signed off an arms embargo on Israel that will undermine its capacity to defend itself, rescue its hostages and protect its citizens." Where was this opinion piece from? Guido's daily rant? It's behind a paywall so no point in linking the full article. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 4, 2024 19:12:00 GMT
Where was this opinion piece from? Guido's daily rant? It's behind a paywall so no point in linking the full article. Give me the link You don't know what I pay for |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 4, 2024 20:29:33 GMT
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Post by aghast on Sept 4, 2024 20:52:12 GMT
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 4, 2024 21:35:01 GMT
Having read numerous factually incorrect and inaccurate articles from Dan Hodges, the article doesn't surprise me at all. It would be in line with his normal spiel.... |
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Post by oldie on Sept 4, 2024 21:49:54 GMT
I wasn't challenged by a "paywall" and I certainly wouldn't subscribe to a rag like the Daily Mail. Sorry Nobby, but Jesus Christ |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 5, 2024 0:14:11 GMT
Having read numerous factually incorrect and inaccurate articles from Dan Hodges, the article doesn't surprise me at all. It would be in line with his normal spiel.... Terry, seriously, once again you attack the source, and don't even comment on the issue? |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 5, 2024 7:32:05 GMT
Tony Blair sends stark warning to Keir Starmer over UK's standing...by Steph Spyroi.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/17/20/86235607-13539811-Sir_Tony_Blair_is_back_in_the_headlines_after_claiming_devolutio-m-12_1718654171942.jpgSir Keir Starmer has come to power at a time of "anxiety" for the nation, Sir Tony Blair has said of his Labour successor as prime minister. The ex-PM's warning comes after Sir Keir claimed "things will get worse before they get better" in a speech ahead of what he said would be a "painful" Budget statement on October 30th. In a wide-ranging interview with the BBC Sir Tony was asked if he thought the new Prime Minister had a "mandate" to govern, or if his majority in this summer's poll was due more to apathy with the Tories. "Yeah, I think he's got a mandate, of course. I mean, I think what you're saying, not in these words, is that the zeitgeist is different," Sir Tony replied. The former prime minister claimed there was a "pretty optimistic" spirit across the country when he came to power at the turn of the millennium, as he attempted to "lead the change" on racial and sex equality, as well as devolution. In contrast, he described the mood in the UK today facing Sir Keir's Government as "very different", adding: "I think it's more anxious. But it's still a zeitgeist. And I think in the new Government coming in and people wanting a sense of stability, wanting long-term problems solved and sorted out, you know... for sure there's a mandate there." Elsewhere during the interview, Sir Tony was asked to describe Britain's standing in the world compared with 20 years ago when he was prime minister. Sir Tony replied that his foreign policy was "based on three pillars" of being the US's "strongest ally", a "key" player in Europe, and the now-scrapped Department for International Development. He added: "The truth of the matter is we are weaker on all three now. I mean, Department of International Development is gone. Its budget's been cut. We're out of Europe, obviously. So we are no longer key players there. "Are we America's strongest ally? Well, that's the question today. I mean, I think that our security and military still have a very, very close relationship, but politically, a lot more open to question." During the interview, Sir Tony was also asked about his views on immigration policy, extremism, and claimed the Vladimir Putin he knew while serving as PM "would never have engaged in such a folly as Ukraine". The fact that this nation decided to knight this man is a national disgrace, even if he is not one in the traditional sense so to speak, as he didn't want it. People should not be quoting him as 'Sir..' other just being polite as they would do to any other man. He is a war criminal.An Evil man.And along with Bush, he should be in jail. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 5, 2024 10:34:41 GMT
Having read numerous factually incorrect and inaccurate articles from Dan Hodges, the article doesn't surprise me at all. It would be in line with his normal spiel.... Terry, seriously, once again you attack the source, and don't even comment on the issue? Alright Nobby - "It was all a lie. On Monday the Prime Minister signed off an arms embargo on Israel that will undermine its capacity to defend itself, rescue its hostages and protect its citizens."The withdrawal of the licences is only a small number [30 of 350] and those considered that could be used for offensive rather than defensive operations. There are still a large number of licences in place. It is a political gesture to show Israel that the UK has concerns about its operations against the Palestinian population. Further Israel can more than cope without weapons from the UK. It is also interesting that the US is constantly reviewing its own supply of weapons. As an ex-serviceman do you believe the number of citizens killed as collateral damage and the amount of destruction of property including whole towns would be considered acceptable and justifiable to British forces? People were up in arms when the British were in Afghan and a small amount of the general public were killed on occasions. The attack by Hamas was horrendous and unforgiveable, but where does defense and justifiable response become vengeance? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 5, 2024 11:17:38 GMT
Terry, seriously, once again you attack the source, and don't even comment on the issue? Alright Nobby - "It was all a lie. On Monday the Prime Minister signed off an arms embargo on Israel that will undermine its capacity to defend itself, rescue its hostages and protect its citizens."The withdrawal of the licences is only a small number [30 of 350] and those considered that could be used for offensive rather than defensive operations. There are still a large number of licences in place. It is a political gesture to show Israel that the UK has concerns about its operations against the Palestinian population. Further Israel can more than cope without weapons from the UK. It is also interesting that the US is constantly reviewing its own supply of weapons. As an ex-serviceman do you believe the number of citizens killed as collateral damage and the amount of destruction of property including whole towns would be considered acceptable and justifiable to British forces? People were up in arms when the British were in Afghan and a small amount of the general public were killed on occasions. The attack by Hamas was horrendous and unforgiveable, but where does defense and justifiable response become vengeance? In terms of population numbers, the 1,200 murdered on Oct 7th in Israel equates to 10,000 in the UK. Can you imagine the response of this country if we had 10,000 innocent people murdered by terrorists in one day! Can you even imagine what the people of the UK would demand of the government if that were to happen? |
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Post by oldie on Sept 5, 2024 11:40:57 GMT
Alright Nobby - "It was all a lie. On Monday the Prime Minister signed off an arms embargo on Israel that will undermine its capacity to defend itself, rescue its hostages and protect its citizens."The withdrawal of the licences is only a small number [30 of 350] and those considered that could be used for offensive rather than defensive operations. There are still a large number of licences in place. It is a political gesture to show Israel that the UK has concerns about its operations against the Palestinian population. Further Israel can more than cope without weapons from the UK. It is also interesting that the US is constantly reviewing its own supply of weapons. As an ex-serviceman do you believe the number of citizens killed as collateral damage and the amount of destruction of property including whole towns would be considered acceptable and justifiable to British forces? People were up in arms when the British were in Afghan and a small amount of the general public were killed on occasions. The attack by Hamas was horrendous and unforgiveable, but where does defense and justifiable response become vengeance? In terms of population numbers, the 1,200 murdered on Oct 7th in Israel equates to 10,000 in the UK. Can you imagine the response of this country if we had 10,000 innocent people murdered by terrorists in one day! Can you even imagine what the people of the UK would demand of the government if that were to happen? Reverse that calculation onto the % of women and children killed in GAZA? |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 5, 2024 12:20:45 GMT
Alright Nobby - "It was all a lie. On Monday the Prime Minister signed off an arms embargo on Israel that will undermine its capacity to defend itself, rescue its hostages and protect its citizens."The withdrawal of the licences is only a small number [30 of 350] and those considered that could be used for offensive rather than defensive operations. There are still a large number of licences in place. It is a political gesture to show Israel that the UK has concerns about its operations against the Palestinian population. Further Israel can more than cope without weapons from the UK. It is also interesting that the US is constantly reviewing its own supply of weapons. As an ex-serviceman do you believe the number of citizens killed as collateral damage and the amount of destruction of property including whole towns would be considered acceptable and justifiable to British forces? People were up in arms when the British were in Afghan and a small amount of the general public were killed on occasions. The attack by Hamas was horrendous and unforgiveable, but where does defense and justifiable response become vengeance? In terms of population numbers, the 1,200 murdered on Oct 7th in Israel equates to 10,000 in the UK. Can you imagine the response of this country if we had 10,000 innocent people murdered by terrorists in one day! Can you even imagine what the people of the UK would demand of the government if that were to happen? So you won't answer the question, instead justifying collateral damage. If you want to look at per capita Nobby then the number of Palestinian deaths equates to 536,000 in the UK 0.8% of the population. Would you consider that acceptable? |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 5, 2024 12:51:58 GMT
Israel must be allowed to win their war.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 5, 2024 13:12:16 GMT
Israel must be allowed to win their war. Who's stopping them? The hostages need to be released and they won't stop until that is achieved, sadly it looks like Netanyahu doesn't seem to care whether that's alive or dead. Indeed the longer it goes on, it is more likely to be the latter. Hence the growing dissatisfaction with him both in and outside Israel. However even their defence minister acknowledges that they cannot achieve the intended aim of completely destroying Hamas in the long term and that continuation will simply act as recruitment for the next generation of terrorists intent on destroying Israel. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 5, 2024 13:15:28 GMT
Israel must be allowed to win their war. Who's stopping them? The hostages need to be released and they won't stop until that is achieved, sadly it looks like Netanyahu doesn't seem to care whether that's alive or dead. Indeed the longer it goes on, it is more likely to be the latter. Hence the growing dissatisfaction with him both in and outside Israel. However even their defence minister acknowledges that they cannot achieve the intended aim of completely destroying Hamas in the long term and that continuation will simply act as recruitment for the next generation of terrorists intent on destroying Israel. Precisely |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 5, 2024 13:47:42 GMT
Michel Barnier has been made the French Prime Minister.
I don't suppose this news is very significant but he's a name we know.😏
2TK is probably a big fan.
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Post by Icegas on Sept 5, 2024 14:33:23 GMT
Israel must be allowed to win their war. Who's stopping them? The hostages need to be released and they won't stop until that is achieved, sadly it looks like Netanyahu doesn't seem to care whether that's alive or dead. Indeed the longer it goes on, it is more likely to be the latter. Hence the growing dissatisfaction with him both in and outside Israel. However even their defence minister acknowledges that they cannot achieve the intended aim of completely destroying Hamas in the long term and that continuation will simply act as recruitment for the next generation of terrorists intent on destroying Israel. I actually agree with most of that. |
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Post by trymer on Sept 5, 2024 17:40:20 GMT
Who's stopping them? The hostages need to be released and they won't stop until that is achieved, sadly it looks like Netanyahu doesn't seem to care whether that's alive or dead. Indeed the longer it goes on, it is more likely to be the latter. Hence the growing dissatisfaction with him both in and outside Israel. However even their defence minister acknowledges that they cannot achieve the intended aim of completely destroying Hamas in the long term and that continuation will simply act as recruitment for the next generation of terrorists intent on destroying Israel. Precisely Thats funny ,when I said on page 12 of the Palestinians thread that the next generation of Hamas terrorists was being made you disagreed and said that Hamas would be destroyed.....maybe it was one of your early hours posts and you were tired (and emotional). |
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Post by oldie on Sept 5, 2024 18:05:07 GMT
Thats funny ,when I said on page 12 of the Palestinians thread that the next generation of Hamas terrorists was being made you disagreed and said that Hamas would be destroyed.....maybe it was one of your early hours posts and you were tired (and emotional). Did I? Quote me and I will respond. I have to say you are taking an increasingly perverse view on when I choose to post, what time of day that is and where I might be in the world. Should I be concerned by this slightly obsessive behaviour? |
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