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Post by baldrick on Sept 3, 2024 20:22:49 GMT
Not from what I could see, she said she appeared to get it. That's not the same. Which is why I've asked for a direct quote as I may have missed something. Um.... "Recounting the episode during an appearance at a London theatre entitled 'An Evening with Jess Phillips,' the MP said she had "genuinely seen better facilities, health facilities, in war zones, in developing countries around the world. She said that she eventually reached her turn for treatment, but told the audience: "I got through because of who I am. "Also, the doctor who saw me was Palestinian, as it turns out. Almost all the doctors in Birmingham seemed to be.” She said: "He was sort of like, ‘I like you. You voted for a ceasefire’. [Because of that] I got through quicker." Is that The Times of Isreal article? You left out the next bit of the article which said "The doctor “was sort of like, ‘I like you, you voted for a ceasefire,'” Phillips recounted, adding that she APPEARED to have received faster care for that reason." My capitalisation.
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Post by oldie on Sept 3, 2024 20:25:10 GMT
Um.... "Recounting the episode during an appearance at a London theatre entitled 'An Evening with Jess Phillips,' the MP said she had "genuinely seen better facilities, health facilities, in war zones, in developing countries around the world. She said that she eventually reached her turn for treatment, but told the audience: "I got through because of who I am. "Also, the doctor who saw me was Palestinian, as it turns out. Almost all the doctors in Birmingham seemed to be.” She said: "He was sort of like, ‘I like you. You voted for a ceasefire’. [Because of that] I got through quicker." Is that The Times of Isreal article? You left out the next bit of the article which said "The doctor “was sort of like, ‘I like you, you voted for a ceasefire,'” Phillips recounted, adding that she APPEARED to have received faster care for that reason." My capitalisation. It's pretty desperate isn't it
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Post by baldrick on Sept 3, 2024 20:37:00 GMT
Is that The Times of Isreal article? You left out the next bit of the article which said "The doctor “was sort of like, ‘I like you, you voted for a ceasefire,'” Phillips recounted, adding that she APPEARED to have received faster care for that reason." My capitalisation. It's pretty desperate isn't it To be fair Jess Phillips seems sort of convinced, however I'd hate to be in danger of losing my job based on one politician recalling an episode at a function that could easily have been misunderstood.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 3, 2024 22:14:44 GMT
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Post by baldrick on Sept 3, 2024 22:18:55 GMT
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Post by aghast on Sept 3, 2024 22:28:14 GMT
It would be nice to see some steady progress. And a nice change from the days when any progress was dismissed by some as spelling doom for the UK, such as equal pay for women and the national minimum wage. Of course the same sort of people also opposed votes for women and the establishment of the NHS.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 3, 2024 23:39:06 GMT
Um.... "Recounting the episode during an appearance at a London theatre entitled 'An Evening with Jess Phillips,' the MP said she had "genuinely seen better facilities, health facilities, in war zones, in developing countries around the world. She said that she eventually reached her turn for treatment, but told the audience: "I got through because of who I am. "Also, the doctor who saw me was Palestinian, as it turns out. Almost all the doctors in Birmingham seemed to be.” She said: "He was sort of like, ‘I like you. You voted for a ceasefire’. [Because of that] I got through quicker." Is that The Times of Isreal article? You left out the next bit of the article which said "The doctor “was sort of like, ‘I like you, you voted for a ceasefire,'” Phillips recounted, adding that she APPEARED to have received faster care for that reason." My capitalisation. It's her own words. Would you like links to other sources?
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Post by baldrick on Sept 4, 2024 0:31:34 GMT
Is that The Times of Isreal article? You left out the next bit of the article which said "The doctor “was sort of like, ‘I like you, you voted for a ceasefire,'” Phillips recounted, adding that she APPEARED to have received faster care for that reason." My capitalisation. It's her own words. Would you like links to other sources? Except the bit in [brackets]. As said to Oldie, she may think it's the case, calling for the sacking of the doctor based on that testimony alone is a bit flimsy. I think Pop Up Pirate has a health service connection, maybe he has a thought on this.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 4, 2024 8:09:32 GMT
Tony Blair sends stark warning to Keir Starmer over UK's standing...by Steph Spyroi.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/17/20/86235607-13539811-Sir_Tony_Blair_is_back_in_the_headlines_after_claiming_devolutio-m-12_1718654171942.jpgSir Keir Starmer has come to power at a time of "anxiety" for the nation, Sir Tony Blair has said of his Labour successor as prime minister. The ex-PM's warning comes after Sir Keir claimed "things will get worse before they get better" in a speech ahead of what he said would be a "painful" Budget statement on October 30th. In a wide-ranging interview with the BBC Sir Tony was asked if he thought the new Prime Minister had a "mandate" to govern, or if his majority in this summer's poll was due more to apathy with the Tories. "Yeah, I think he's got a mandate, of course. I mean, I think what you're saying, not in these words, is that the zeitgeist is different," Sir Tony replied. The former prime minister claimed there was a "pretty optimistic" spirit across the country when he came to power at the turn of the millennium, as he attempted to "lead the change" on racial and sex equality, as well as devolution. In contrast, he described the mood in the UK today facing Sir Keir's Government as "very different", adding: "I think it's more anxious. But it's still a zeitgeist. And I think in the new Government coming in and people wanting a sense of stability, wanting long-term problems solved and sorted out, you know... for sure there's a mandate there." Elsewhere during the interview, Sir Tony was asked to describe Britain's standing in the world compared with 20 years ago when he was prime minister. Sir Tony replied that his foreign policy was "based on three pillars" of being the US's "strongest ally", a "key" player in Europe, and the now-scrapped Department for International Development. He added: "The truth of the matter is we are weaker on all three now. I mean, Department of International Development is gone. Its budget's been cut. We're out of Europe, obviously. So we are no longer key players there. "Are we America's strongest ally? Well, that's the question today. I mean, I think that our security and military still have a very, very close relationship, but politically, a lot more open to question." During the interview, Sir Tony was also asked about his views on immigration policy, extremism, and claimed the Vladimir Putin he knew while serving as PM "would never have engaged in such a folly as Ukraine".
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Post by trymer on Sept 4, 2024 8:20:18 GMT
Tony Blair sends stark warning to Keir Starmer over UK's standing...by Steph Spyroi.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/17/20/86235607-13539811-Sir_Tony_Blair_is_back_in_the_headlines_after_claiming_devolutio-m-12_1718654171942.jpgSir Keir Starmer has come to power at a time of "anxiety" for the nation, Sir Tony Blair has said of his Labour successor as prime minister. The ex-PM's warning comes after Sir Keir claimed "things will get worse before they get better" in a speech ahead of what he said would be a "painful" Budget statement on October 30th. In a wide-ranging interview with the BBC Sir Tony was asked if he thought the new Prime Minister had a "mandate" to govern, or if his majority in this summer's poll was due more to apathy with the Tories. "Yeah, I think he's got a mandate, of course. I mean, I think what you're saying, not in these words, is that the zeitgeist is different," Sir Tony replied. The former prime minister claimed there was a "pretty optimistic" spirit across the country when he came to power at the turn of the millennium, as he attempted to "lead the change" on racial and sex equality, as well as devolution. In contrast, he described the mood in the UK today facing Sir Keir's Government as "very different", adding: "I think it's more anxious. But it's still a zeitgeist. And I think in the new Government coming in and people wanting a sense of stability, wanting long-term problems solved and sorted out, you know... for sure there's a mandate there." Elsewhere during the interview, Sir Tony was asked to describe Britain's standing in the world compared with 20 years ago when he was prime minister. Sir Tony replied that his foreign policy was "based on three pillars" of being the US's "strongest ally", a "key" player in Europe, and the now-scrapped Department for International Development. He added: "The truth of the matter is we are weaker on all three now. I mean, Department of International Development is gone. Its budget's been cut. We're out of Europe, obviously. So we are no longer key players there. "Are we America's strongest ally? Well, that's the question today. I mean, I think that our security and military still have a very, very close relationship, but politically, a lot more open to question." During the interview, Sir Tony was also asked about his views on immigration policy, extremism, and claimed the Vladimir Putin he knew while serving as PM "would never have engaged in such a folly as Ukraine". He was on Radio 4 this morning...apparently he has a new book out about leadership,nice of the BBC to plug it for him.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 4, 2024 8:28:43 GMT
Tony Blair sends stark warning to Keir Starmer over UK's standing...by Steph Spyroi.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/17/20/86235607-13539811-Sir_Tony_Blair_is_back_in_the_headlines_after_claiming_devolutio-m-12_1718654171942.jpgSir Keir Starmer has come to power at a time of "anxiety" for the nation, Sir Tony Blair has said of his Labour successor as prime minister. The ex-PM's warning comes after Sir Keir claimed "things will get worse before they get better" in a speech ahead of what he said would be a "painful" Budget statement on October 30th. In a wide-ranging interview with the BBC Sir Tony was asked if he thought the new Prime Minister had a "mandate" to govern, or if his majority in this summer's poll was due more to apathy with the Tories. "Yeah, I think he's got a mandate, of course. I mean, I think what you're saying, not in these words, is that the zeitgeist is different," Sir Tony replied. The former prime minister claimed there was a "pretty optimistic" spirit across the country when he came to power at the turn of the millennium, as he attempted to "lead the change" on racial and sex equality, as well as devolution. In contrast, he described the mood in the UK today facing Sir Keir's Government as "very different", adding: "I think it's more anxious. But it's still a zeitgeist. And I think in the new Government coming in and people wanting a sense of stability, wanting long-term problems solved and sorted out, you know... for sure there's a mandate there." Elsewhere during the interview, Sir Tony was asked to describe Britain's standing in the world compared with 20 years ago when he was prime minister. Sir Tony replied that his foreign policy was "based on three pillars" of being the US's "strongest ally", a "key" player in Europe, and the now-scrapped Department for International Development. He added: "The truth of the matter is we are weaker on all three now. I mean, Department of International Development is gone. Its budget's been cut. We're out of Europe, obviously. So we are no longer key players there. "Are we America's strongest ally? Well, that's the question today. I mean, I think that our security and military still have a very, very close relationship, but politically, a lot more open to question." During the interview, Sir Tony was also asked about his views on immigration policy, extremism, and claimed the Vladimir Putin he knew while serving as PM "would never have engaged in such a folly as Ukraine". He was on Radio 4 this morning...apparently he has a new book out about leadership,nice of the BBC to plug it for him. As they do for several interviewees, no different to most media, including papers like the Mail cited above.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 4, 2024 8:43:38 GMT
Boat crossings will be part of how Labour is judged..by Chris Mason, Political editori.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/14/18/56618571-10719057-To_this_day_Mason_makes_sure_that_he_gets_every_print_copy_of_th-a-6_1649956303728.jpgThe bottom of the hugely crowded inflatable boat ripped and fell out, plunging people into the sea. This, I am told, is what happened, early on Tuesday morning in the English Channel, with devastating consequence: at least 12 people dead, among them children and a pregnant woman. People crossing the Channel in small boats is an issue at once human, moral, practical, political and diplomatic. It is a crisis on the UK’s southern shores which governments of different political hues are failing to stop. And currently there appears to be a frightening trend with deadly implications. More people are cramming on to poorer quality boats with weak engines and are willing to travel in dangerous conditions. The likelihood of tragedy is magnified. It appears this could be a horrendous unintended consequence of attempts to smash the complex, international, organised criminal networks at the heart of these crossings. A key part of the strategy for taking this on is what officials call "upstream solutions". This has involved the government and the National Crime Agency attempting to break the business model of the smuggling gangs. Key to this is to disrupt or ideally destroy the supply chains which they rely upon, not least the supply of boats and engines. Fewer boats and fewer engines, it seems, now encounter ongoing vast demand to attempt a crossing – and so do so with more people in each boat, often with inadequate power to cross the busiest shipping lane in the world. Then there is the diplomacy – in other words the relationship between the UK and France. Privately, some in London think after recent political turbulence in France they are now dealing with a dysfunctional administration in Paris. The French government, for its part, has suggested a migration treaty between the UK and the European Union and blamed Brexit for exacerbating problems. Such a treaty appears highly unlikely. The new home secretary, Yvette Cooper, has described this latest incident as “deeply tragic” and repeated her commitment to dismantling the smuggler gangs. Her predecessor, James Cleverly, now her shadow and a Conservative leadership hopeful, said too it was a tragedy, and one that emphasised the need for a deterrent. The Conservatives had wanted to send some migrants to Rwanda, but they never managed it and Labour have now scrapped the policy. In the next few weeks, the government will appoint what it will call a Border Security Commander to take on what is becoming a defining issue of the 2020s. Whether this government can successfully grapple with and ultimately stop thousands attempting to cross the English Channel in small boats is likely to play a major part in how they are judged in the coming years. Solving this will be incredibly difficult and there is every prospect of yet more days where people perish in the waters between France and England.
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 4, 2024 10:14:30 GMT
Starmer and Sunak to go head-to-head in first PMQs since summer recess..by Aoife Walsh and Jeremy Culley
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What questions are likely to arise for Keir Starmer to face ?'Painful' Budget ahead: In a set-piece speech during the summer break, Keir Starmer warned October’s Budget would be "painful", saying those with the "broadest shoulders should bear the heavier burden". Labour has laid the blame at the door of the Conservatives, claiming they left a £22bn "black hole" in the nation’s finances. But Rishi Sunak said it was "the clearest indication of what Labour has been planning to do all along - raise your taxes". Winter fuel payments: The day before MPs headed on their summer break, Chancellor Rachel Reeves announced that about 10 million pensioners in England and Wales would lose their winter fuel payments as the allowance is restricted only to those in receipt of pension credit. She blamed “undisclosed” overspending by the Tories, a claim they rejected as “spurious”. Ukraine: Over the summer, Ukraine took many by surprise with an incursion into a Russian border region, while Russia continues its advances in eastern Ukraine. Kyiv is pushing its western backers to allow long-range strikes on Russia, and for more air defence systems, particularly after Tuesday’s attack on the city of Poltava that killed dozens. Riots and criminal justice system: The riots earlier this summer, fuelled by online misinformation after the Southport attacks, brought fear and violence to streets in England and Northern Ireland. MPs are yet to have a chance to quiz Starmer on the issue. Meanwhile, the BBC reported there were fewer than 100 available spaces left across the male prison estate in England and Wales at the end of August.
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Post by icegas on Sept 4, 2024 14:34:50 GMT
Starmer and Sunak to go head-to-head in first PMQs since summer recess..by Aoife Walsh and Jeremy Culley
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What questions are likely to arise for Keir Starmer to face ?'Painful' Budget ahead: In a set-piece speech during the summer break, Keir Starmer warned October’s Budget would be "painful", saying those with the "broadest shoulders should bear the heavier burden". Labour has laid the blame at the door of the Conservatives, claiming they left a £22bn "black hole" in the nation’s finances. But Rishi Sunak said it was "the clearest indication of what Labour has been planning to do all along - raise your taxes". Winter fuel payments: The day before MPs headed on their summer break, Chancellor Rachel Reeves announced that about 10 million pensioners in England and Wales would lose their winter fuel payments as the allowance is restricted only to those in receipt of pension credit. She blamed “undisclosed” overspending by the Tories, a claim they rejected as “spurious”. Ukraine: Over the summer, Ukraine took many by surprise with an incursion into a Russian border region, while Russia continues its advances in eastern Ukraine. Kyiv is pushing its western backers to allow long-range strikes on Russia, and for more air defence systems, particularly after Tuesday’s attack on the city of Poltava that killed dozens. Riots and criminal justice system: The riots earlier this summer, fuelled by online misinformation after the Southport attacks, brought fear and violence to streets in England and Northern Ireland. MPs are yet to have a chance to quiz Starmer on the issue. Meanwhile, the BBC reported there were fewer than 100 available spaces left across the male prison estate in England and Wales at the end of August. Starmer mindset is that of a lawyer prosecuting a suspect. He's simply incapable of thinking any other way. He's totally out of his depth and a disaster for the country.He makes Biden look credible. I've heard that he called Sunak 'prime minister' three times during PMQ's today, is that right? 🥴🤔
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Post by baldrick on Sept 4, 2024 14:58:26 GMT
Starmer and Sunak to go head-to-head in first PMQs since summer recess..by Aoife Walsh and Jeremy Culley
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What questions are likely to arise for Keir Starmer to face ?'Painful' Budget ahead: In a set-piece speech during the summer break, Keir Starmer warned October’s Budget would be "painful", saying those with the "broadest shoulders should bear the heavier burden". Labour has laid the blame at the door of the Conservatives, claiming they left a £22bn "black hole" in the nation’s finances. But Rishi Sunak said it was "the clearest indication of what Labour has been planning to do all along - raise your taxes". Winter fuel payments: The day before MPs headed on their summer break, Chancellor Rachel Reeves announced that about 10 million pensioners in England and Wales would lose their winter fuel payments as the allowance is restricted only to those in receipt of pension credit. She blamed “undisclosed” overspending by the Tories, a claim they rejected as “spurious”. Ukraine: Over the summer, Ukraine took many by surprise with an incursion into a Russian border region, while Russia continues its advances in eastern Ukraine. Kyiv is pushing its western backers to allow long-range strikes on Russia, and for more air defence systems, particularly after Tuesday’s attack on the city of Poltava that killed dozens. Riots and criminal justice system: The riots earlier this summer, fuelled by online misinformation after the Southport attacks, brought fear and violence to streets in England and Northern Ireland. MPs are yet to have a chance to quiz Starmer on the issue. Meanwhile, the BBC reported there were fewer than 100 available spaces left across the male prison estate in England and Wales at the end of August. Starmer mindset is that of a lawyer prosecuting a suspect. He's simply incapable of thinking any other way. He's totally out of his depth and a disaster for the country.He makes Biden look credible. I've heard that he called Sunak 'prime minister' three times during PMQ's today, is that right? 🥴🤔 Twice today and once at a previous PMQs. Deliberate? Probably not. In other news, Priti Patel is out of the race with 14 votes. James Cleverly - 21 Robert Jenrick - 28 Tom Tugendhat - 17 Mel Stride - 16 Kemi Badenoch - 22 I suspect her backers to look at Jenrick and Badenoch with Stride and Tugendhat to be voted out in due course. The final three will be interesting. Badenoch seems popular amongst the party membership, with Jenrick having a clear lead at the moment with MPs.
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Post by trymer on Sept 4, 2024 14:58:50 GMT
Starmer and Sunak to go head-to-head in first PMQs since summer recess..by Aoife Walsh and Jeremy Culley
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What questions are likely to arise for Keir Starmer to face ?'Painful' Budget ahead: In a set-piece speech during the summer break, Keir Starmer warned October’s Budget would be "painful", saying those with the "broadest shoulders should bear the heavier burden". Labour has laid the blame at the door of the Conservatives, claiming they left a £22bn "black hole" in the nation’s finances. But Rishi Sunak said it was "the clearest indication of what Labour has been planning to do all along - raise your taxes". Winter fuel payments: The day before MPs headed on their summer break, Chancellor Rachel Reeves announced that about 10 million pensioners in England and Wales would lose their winter fuel payments as the allowance is restricted only to those in receipt of pension credit. She blamed “undisclosed” overspending by the Tories, a claim they rejected as “spurious”. Ukraine: Over the summer, Ukraine took many by surprise with an incursion into a Russian border region, while Russia continues its advances in eastern Ukraine. Kyiv is pushing its western backers to allow long-range strikes on Russia, and for more air defence systems, particularly after Tuesday’s attack on the city of Poltava that killed dozens. Riots and criminal justice system: The riots earlier this summer, fuelled by online misinformation after the Southport attacks, brought fear and violence to streets in England and Northern Ireland. MPs are yet to have a chance to quiz Starmer on the issue. Meanwhile, the BBC reported there were fewer than 100 available spaces left across the male prison estate in England and Wales at the end of August. Starmer mindset is that of a lawyer prosecuting a suspect. He's simply incapable of thinking any other way. He's totally out of his depth and a disaster for the country.He makes Biden look credible. I've heard that he called Sunak 'prime minister' three times during PMQ's today, is that right? 🥴🤔 He is finding out that being the leader of the opposition is far easier than being PM,he perfected his head shaking and criticism about the Tory govt but surprise surprise he hasnt got the answers either.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 15:01:21 GMT
Starmer mindset is that of a lawyer prosecuting a suspect. He's simply incapable of thinking any other way. He's totally out of his depth and a disaster for the country.He makes Biden look credible. I've heard that he called Sunak 'prime minister' three times during PMQ's today, is that right? 🥴🤔 Twice today and once at a previous PMQs. Deliberate? Probably not. In other news, Priti Patel is out of the race with 14 votes. James Cleverly - 21 Robert Jenrick - 28 Tom Tugendhat - 17 Mel Stride - 16 Kemi Badenoch - 22 I suspect her backers to look at Jenrick and Badenoch with Stride and Tugendhat to be voted out in due course. The final three will be interesting. Badenoch seems popular amongst the party membership, with Jenrick having a clear lead at the moment with MPs. It doesn't matter who they pick. The Tories are finished.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 4, 2024 15:03:38 GMT
Twice today and once at a previous PMQs. Deliberate? Probably not. In other news, Priti Patel is out of the race with 14 votes. James Cleverly - 21 Robert Jenrick - 28 Tom Tugendhat - 17 Mel Stride - 16 Kemi Badenoch - 22 I suspect her backers to look at Jenrick and Badenoch with Stride and Tugendhat to be voted out in due course. The final three will be interesting. Badenoch seems popular amongst the party membership, with Jenrick having a clear lead at the moment with MPs. It doesn't matter who they pick. The Tories are finished. Same was said after Blair's victories. They'll be back, although maybe not at the same levels as before.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 4, 2024 15:05:36 GMT
Another Starmer lie....
"Yesterday I took a call from a senior member of London's Jewish community. He is a longstanding supporter of Labour, a significant donor, and a champion of Keir Starmer and his efforts to reform his party. 'He's lost the community', he told me. 'All the work he's done over the past few years. It's been destroyed in eight weeks'. On October 10 last year, three days after the appalling Hamas terrorist attack, Keir Starmer turned up at a Labour Friends of Israel reception at his party conference in Liverpool. With his shadow foreign secretary David Lammy at his side, he solemnly declared: 'In this dark hour, Labour stands with Israel'. He added: 'Labour stands firmly in support of Israel's right to defend itself, rescue hostages and protect its citizens.' It was all a lie. On Monday the Prime Minister signed off an arms embargo on Israel that will undermine its capacity to defend itself, rescue its hostages and protect its citizens."
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Post by baselswh on Sept 4, 2024 16:25:52 GMT
A dozen dead in the Channel.
More boats have arrived since. 3000 at Calais waiting to get on an unsafe dinghy.
Nothing can stop Labours mass immigration policy while they are in power.
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