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Post by lostinspace on Aug 19, 2024 9:14:00 GMT
And this "A woman in a low paid job in say catering after paying her rent probably couldnt afford to pay into a pension scheme, just say she gets her full old age pension plus a miniscule private pension that means that she gets £12,500 she will really miss the winter fuel allowance" Is more to do with our broken housing market and lack of social housing. £300 a year is not going to fix that But £300:00 for someone who hasn't even got it and never likely to have it .....it can / could be a lifesaver
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 10:39:36 GMT
Some on here have mentioned donors to the Tories received something back. Just to point out that nothing has changed under Labour......we should also remember that under the Blair/Brown governments they were selling seats in the Lords for 50k. Labour donor given top job.
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Post by oldie on Aug 19, 2024 10:50:59 GMT
And this "A woman in a low paid job in say catering after paying her rent probably couldnt afford to pay into a pension scheme, just say she gets her full old age pension plus a miniscule private pension that means that she gets £12,500 she will really miss the winter fuel allowance" Is more to do with our broken housing market and lack of social housing. £300 a year is not going to fix that But £300:00 for someone who hasn't even got it and never likely to have it .....it can / could be a lifesaver In which case, if you are a pensioner, it's likely you would qualify for Pension Credit and therefore the fuel allowance
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 19, 2024 11:29:02 GMT
Some on here have mentioned donors to the Tories received something back. Just to point out that nothing has changed under Labour......we should also remember that under the Blair/Brown governments they were selling seats in the Lords for 50k. Labour donor given top job.Wow, the hypocrisy of the right wing writer Guido Fawkes - A gentle reminder: the civil service is supposed to commit to impartiality, designed to keep political leanings out of their work, though it seems Corfield managed to pass the “exception rule”. Guido Fawkes said nothing about all the jobs given to Tory donors and supporters, including all the top jobs at the BBC, over the last 14 years......
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Post by oldie on Aug 19, 2024 11:32:17 GMT
Some on here have mentioned donors to the Tories received something back. Just to point out that nothing has changed under Labour......we should also remember that under the Blair/Brown governments they were selling seats in the Lords for 50k. Labour donor given top job.Wow, the hypocrisy of the right wing writer Guido Fawkes - A gentle reminder: the civil service is supposed to commit to impartiality, designed to keep political leanings out of their work, though it seems Corfield managed to pass the “exception rule”. Guido Fawkes said nothing about all the jobs given to Tory donors and supporters, including all the top jobs at the BBC, over the last 14 years...... Oh god Guido Fawkes😱
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 11:54:21 GMT
Some on here have mentioned donors to the Tories received something back. Just to point out that nothing has changed under Labour......we should also remember that under the Blair/Brown governments they were selling seats in the Lords for 50k. Labour donor given top job.Wow, the hypocrisy of the right wing writer Guido Fawkes - A gentle reminder: the civil service is supposed to commit to impartiality, designed to keep political leanings out of their work, though it seems Corfield managed to pass the “exception rule”. Guido Fawkes said nothing about all the jobs given to Tory donors and supporters, including all the top jobs at the BBC, over the last 14 years...... Yes he has, and all you are trying to do is deflect! The undeniable story here is a Labour donor being given a top job. Who cares where the story came from?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 11:55:22 GMT
Wow, the hypocrisy of the right wing writer Guido Fawkes - A gentle reminder: the civil service is supposed to commit to impartiality, designed to keep political leanings out of their work, though it seems Corfield managed to pass the “exception rule”. Guido Fawkes said nothing about all the jobs given to Tory donors and supporters, including all the top jobs at the BBC, over the last 14 years...... Oh god Guido Fawkes😱 Go on then. Is the story false? Maybe you can post yet another obscure link to something on X?
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Post by oldie on Aug 19, 2024 13:00:35 GMT
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 19, 2024 13:18:00 GMT
Go on then. Is the story false? Maybe you can post yet another obscure link to something on X? Sneering is not a good look Nobby. I thought better of you than that!
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 19, 2024 13:25:28 GMT
Wow, the hypocrisy of the right wing writer Guido Fawkes - A gentle reminder: the civil service is supposed to commit to impartiality, designed to keep political leanings out of their work, though it seems Corfield managed to pass the “exception rule”. Guido Fawkes said nothing about all the jobs given to Tory donors and supporters, including all the top jobs at the BBC, over the last 14 years...... Yes he has, and all you are trying to do is deflect! The undeniable story here is a Labour donor being given a top job. Who cares where the story came from? It's called hypocrisy which you are so eager to point out. I want all politicians to play the game including Labour politicians. And no, Guido Fawkes hasn't pointed out the depths of Tory corruption, he is a right wing blogger who backed most of the corrupt Tory politicians and their actions. He was also as close to Boris Johnson as you can get. So yes it is important to know their background.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 13:29:43 GMT
Yes he has, and all you are trying to do is deflect! The undeniable story here is a Labour donor being given a top job. Who cares where the story came from? It's called hypocrisy which you are so eager to point out. I want all politicians to play the game including Labour politicians. And no, Guido Fawkes hasn't pointed out the depths of Tory corruption, he is a right wing blogger who backed most of the corrupt Tory politicians and their actions. He was also as close to Boris Johnson as you can get. So yes it is important to know their background. You obviously don't really follow Guido. He will go after any politician.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 13:31:57 GMT
Go on then. Is the story false? Maybe you can post yet another obscure link to something on X? Sneering is not a good look Nobby. I thought better of you than that! Not sneering Cheshire. Why. can't you and Oldie discuss the issue? You stated that the Tories rewarded their donors. I'm just pointing out that Labour do the same, and provided the evidence.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 19, 2024 13:33:47 GMT
It's called hypocrisy which you are so eager to point out. I want all politicians to play the game including Labour politicians. And no, Guido Fawkes hasn't pointed out the depths of Tory corruption, he is a right wing blogger who backed most of the corrupt Tory politicians and their actions. He was also as close to Boris Johnson as you can get. So yes it is important to know their background. You obviously don't really follow Guido. He will go after any politician. I did follow him when he started Nobby until he veered towards his blinkered approach to the Tories.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 19, 2024 13:36:07 GMT
Sneering is not a good look Nobby. I thought better of you than that! Not sneering Cheshire. Why. can't you and Oldie discuss the issue? You stated that the Tories rewarded their donors. I'm just pointing out that Labour do the same, and provided the evidence. And my view is that all politicians should be held to account of whatever political persuasion. It is the hypocrisy and willingness of some to attack Labour after a short time in action whilst turning blind eyes to the Tories of 14 years and the actions of the Reform Party Ltd MPs who can do no wrong and they will defend to the hilt.
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Post by trymer on Aug 19, 2024 13:47:12 GMT
So Rachel Reeves gets nearly £2000 a year from the taxpayer for the electric bill in her second home ? wtf is she doing in there ? I dont pay £1200 a year for electricity and this is for her SECOND home so she isnt there all the time, has she got a sauna ? a solarium ? does she live in a greenhouse ?.
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Post by trymer on Aug 19, 2024 13:52:30 GMT
Not sneering Cheshire. Why. can't you and Oldie discuss the issue? You stated that the Tories rewarded their donors. I'm just pointing out that Labour do the same, and provided the evidence. And my view is that all politicians should be held to account of whatever political persuasion. It is the hypocrisy and willingness of some to attack Labour after a short time in action whilst turning blind eyes to the Tories of 14 years and the actions of the Reform Party Ltd MPs who can do no wrong and they will defend to the hilt. Theres been years of people whining about the Tories now we are seeing what i have always maintained Lib/Lab/Con they're all the same, this thread is valuable as we can all see what Labour get up to now they're in govt. For a start robbing poor old pensioners of their winter fuel allowance (after they paid NI all their working lives) and rewarding train drivers etc who are already on well above average wages...
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Post by oldie on Aug 19, 2024 14:02:40 GMT
And my view is that all politicians should be held to account of whatever political persuasion. It is the hypocrisy and willingness of some to attack Labour after a short time in action whilst turning blind eyes to the Tories of 14 years and the actions of the Reform Party Ltd MPs who can do no wrong and they will defend to the hilt. Theres been years of people whining about the Tories now we are seeing what i have always maintained Lib/Lab/Con they're all the same, this thread is valuable as we can all see what Labour get up to now they're in govt. For a start robbing poor old pensioners of their winter fuel allowance (after they paid NI all their working lives) and rewarding train drivers etc who are already on well above average wages... It's not an entitlement "For a start robbing poor old pensioners of their winter fuel allowance (after they paid NI all their working lives)"
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Post by baldrick on Aug 19, 2024 15:15:35 GMT
And my view is that all politicians should be held to account of whatever political persuasion. It is the hypocrisy and willingness of some to attack Labour after a short time in action whilst turning blind eyes to the Tories of 14 years and the actions of the Reform Party Ltd MPs who can do no wrong and they will defend to the hilt. Theres been years of people whining about the Tories now we are seeing what i have always maintained Lib/Lab/Con they're all the same, this thread is valuable as we can all see what Labour get up to now they're in govt. For a start robbing poor old pensioners of their winter fuel allowance (after they paid NI all their working lives) and rewarding train drivers etc who are already on well above average wages... NI is for the State pension, not the ancillary benefits.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 16:08:27 GMT
Not sneering Cheshire. Why. can't you and Oldie discuss the issue? You stated that the Tories rewarded their donors. I'm just pointing out that Labour do the same, and provided the evidence. And my view is that all politicians should be held to account of whatever political persuasion. It is the hypocrisy and willingness of some to attack Labour after a short time in action whilst turning blind eyes to the Tories of 14 years and the actions of the Reform Party Ltd MPs who can do no wrong and they will defend to the hilt. Nobody has turned a blind eye to the incompetent Tories, which is why they got voted out. It's just that you mentioned only the Tories in your criticism. You never mentioned Labour. Your implication is that this was just a Tory habit, but I am just pointing out that Labour are just as guilty. As far as I am aware, Reform have not given any jobs in government to donors so why mention them? So now we are holding this Labour government to account, but all you can come back with is "what about the Tories"! Or Reform who only have 6 MP's!
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 16:19:30 GMT
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