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Post by oldie on Aug 18, 2024 14:01:52 GMT
Somebody has to pay for the huge pay rises for the public sector workers. And all those unfunded projects like the 40 imaginary hospitals. Got it! And the unrealistic budgets that were formulated by Hunt, which included a provision for a 2% pay rise, which was totally unrealistic
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Post by baselswh on Aug 18, 2024 17:47:00 GMT
Yvette Cooper wants to make misogyny a terrorist crime.
Haha!
This sounds bonkers!
I assume we already have laws to try and prevent this sort of thing.
What a bloody awful Labour Government.
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Post by baldrick on Aug 18, 2024 18:50:16 GMT
Yvette Cooper wants to make misogyny a terrorist crime. Haha! This sounds bonkers! I assume we already have laws to try and prevent this sort of thing. What a bloody awful Labour Government. Not quite the story. "The Home Office says it will look at the rise of both Islamist and far-right extremism in the UK, as well as wider ideological trends, including extreme misogyny or beliefs that fit into broader categories like fixation on violence. It will also look at the causes and conduct of radicalisation of young people, including the proliferation of dangerous material online." www.itv.com/news/2024-08-18/cooper-pledges-crackdown-on-hateful-beliefs-to-counter-extremism
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Post by baselswh on Aug 18, 2024 19:17:37 GMT
Yvette Cooper wants to make misogyny a terrorist crime. Haha! This sounds bonkers! I assume we already have laws to try and prevent this sort of thing. What a bloody awful Labour Government. Not quite the story. "The Home Office says it will look at the rise of both Islamist and far-right extremism in the UK, as well as wider ideological trends, including extreme misogyny or beliefs that fit into broader categories like fixation on violence. It will also look at the causes and conduct of radicalisation of young people, including the proliferation of dangerous material online." www.itv.com/news/2024-08-18/cooper-pledges-crackdown-on-hateful-beliefs-to-counter-extremism"Extreme misogyny"? How Islam treats women perhaps. Surely not. Not with a Labour Government. Any guesses?
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Post by oldie on Aug 18, 2024 19:41:47 GMT
Not quite the story. "The Home Office says it will look at the rise of both Islamist and far-right extremism in the UK, as well as wider ideological trends, including extreme misogyny or beliefs that fit into broader categories like fixation on violence. It will also look at the causes and conduct of radicalisation of young people, including the proliferation of dangerous material online." www.itv.com/news/2024-08-18/cooper-pledges-crackdown-on-hateful-beliefs-to-counter-extremism"Extreme misogyny"? How Islam treats women perhaps. Surely not. Not with a Labour Government. Any guesses? It's time we tightened up on this. I do hope that hope that we can make inroads to this issue. Wherever we see it
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 18, 2024 20:35:41 GMT
Not quite the story. "The Home Office says it will look at the rise of both Islamist and far-right extremism in the UK, as well as wider ideological trends, including extreme misogyny or beliefs that fit into broader categories like fixation on violence. It will also look at the causes and conduct of radicalisation of young people, including the proliferation of dangerous material online." www.itv.com/news/2024-08-18/cooper-pledges-crackdown-on-hateful-beliefs-to-counter-extremism"Extreme misogyny"? How Islam treats women perhaps. Surely not. Not with a Labour Government. Any guesses? Bloody hell Bas, even when you get what you want, you complain. You really are hard to please. I actually believe even if you got everything you wanted you would still make up stuff to be unhappy about!!! Women have been treated as second class citizens for ever. You would deny action being taken to support them. Really?
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Post by baselswh on Aug 18, 2024 20:42:10 GMT
"Extreme misogyny"? How Islam treats women perhaps. Surely not. Not with a Labour Government. Any guesses? Bloody hell Bas, even when you get what you want, you complain. You really are hard to please. I actually believe even if you got everything you wanted you would still make up stuff to be unhappy about!!! Women have been treated as second class citizens for ever. You would deny action being taken to support them. Really? What constitutes extreme misogyny Chesh? Is Cooper after anyone in particular? Also,hav'nt we already got laws against it? By the way,I don't think for a moment Labour will go after Islams poor treatment of women.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 18, 2024 20:47:09 GMT
Bloody hell Bas, even when you get what you want, you complain. You really are hard to please. I actually believe even if you got everything you wanted you would still make up stuff to be unhappy about!!! Women have been treated as second class citizens for ever. You would deny action being taken to support them. Really? What constitutes extreme misogyny Chesh? Is Cooper after anyone in particular? Also, hav'nt we already got laws against it? Fits your agenda Bas www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c15gn0lq7p5oExtreme misogyny will be treated as a form of extremism under new government plans, the Home Office has said. Yvette Cooper, the home secretary, has ordered a review of the UK's counter-extremism strategy to determine how best to tackle threats posed by harmful ideologies. The analysis will look at hatred of women as one of the ideological trends that the government says is gaining traction. Ms Cooper said there has been a rise in extremism "both online and on our streets" that "frays the very fabric of our communities and our democracy". The review will look at the rise of Islamist and far-right extremism in the UK, as well as wider ideological trends, including extreme misogyny or beliefs which fit into broader categories, such as violence.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 18, 2024 20:47:25 GMT
What constitutes extreme misogyny Chesh? Is Cooper after anyone in particular? Also, hav'nt we already got laws against it? Fits your agenda Bas www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c15gn0lq7p5oExtreme misogyny will be treated as a form of extremism under new government plans, the Home Office has said. Yvette Cooper, the home secretary, has ordered a review of the UK's counter-extremism strategy to determine how best to tackle threats posed by harmful ideologies. The analysis will look at hatred of women as one of the ideological trends that the government says is gaining traction. Ms Cooper said there has been a rise in extremism "both online and on our streets" that "frays the very fabric of our communities and our democracy". The review will look at the rise of Islamist and far-right extremism in the UK, as well as wider ideological trends, including extreme misogyny or beliefs which fit into broader categories, such as violence.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 18, 2024 21:04:02 GMT
Fits your agenda Bas www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c15gn0lq7p5oExtreme misogyny will be treated as a form of extremism under new government plans, the Home Office has said. Yvette Cooper, the home secretary, has ordered a review of the UK's counter-extremism strategy to determine how best to tackle threats posed by harmful ideologies. The analysis will look at hatred of women as one of the ideological trends that the government says is gaining traction. Ms Cooper said there has been a rise in extremism "both online and on our streets" that "frays the very fabric of our communities and our democracy". The review will look at the rise of Islamist and far-right extremism in the UK, as well as wider ideological trends, including extreme misogyny or beliefs which fit into broader categories, such as violence.Well if they sort out the Islamism,then people won't have to try and do it for them. Extreme Islam is an absolutely massive problem.Nationally and internationally. Violence and a poor attitude against women is also a massive problem in the UK. Stiffer sentencing for violent crime is needed. I can't see Labour succeeding at all,I expect abject failiure. Conservatives were useless. Never know though,we'll see how Yvette gets on.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 18, 2024 22:37:47 GMT
Bloody hell Bas, even when you get what you want, you complain. You really are hard to please. I actually believe even if you got everything you wanted you would still make up stuff to be unhappy about!!! Women have been treated as second class citizens for ever. You would deny action being taken to support them. Really? What constitutes extreme misogyny Chesh? Is Cooper after anyone in particular? Also,hav'nt we already got laws against it? By the way,I don't think for a moment Labour will go after Islams poor treatment of women.It's specifically mentioned but you don't think.... Not sure what would ever make you happy Bas, perhaps until every Muslim is wiped off the face of the earth, even the good ones, to be honest matey, that's the impression I get from your writings.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 19, 2024 5:55:17 GMT
What constitutes extreme misogyny Chesh? Is Cooper after anyone in particular? Also,hav'nt we already got laws against it? By the way,I don't think for a moment Labour will go after Islams poor treatment of women.It's specifically mentioned but you don't think.... Not sure what would ever make you happy Bas, perhaps until every Muslim is wiped off the face of the earth, even the good ones, to be honest matey, that's the impression I get from your writings. See my post 1 above yours Chesh. I still have no faith Labour will get past the chitchat meetings stage,but we'll see how Yvette gets on. Me asking a couple of questions and having no faith in Labour makes you think I may only be happy if Muslims are "wiped off the face of the earth". I don't know how your head came to that conclusion. The big one,the one that can save millions of lives ,is a reformation in Islam. That's the one.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 19, 2024 6:23:39 GMT
Labour are still to select someone to head their "smash the gangs" charade.
Blair would of been suited,the man had experience.Shame Lionel left us in 2021.God bless.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 6:36:33 GMT
Starmer has stated that women can have penises. If you oppose this view, under this proposed legislation will that make you a terrorist?
This legislation will have more holes in it than a tramps vest.
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Post by trymer on Aug 19, 2024 7:22:55 GMT
There was no choice was there ? you have to pay income tax and NS and you will be looked after 'from cradle to grave' well for some the grave bit might come a bit quicker thanks to this government Nice that you have a private pension but people who were on lower wages wouldnt have been able to afford that,I know a few single women who are worried about how they will cope once they have to retire...yes you wont have to live on less than 12k but lots will and thanks to Labour they are in for a **** time. The original NHS and care system was not cradle to grave. It was a safety net for those who couldn't, or whose family couldn't, afford to look after themselves/their family members. Since then it has become a catch all. Families no longer look after the elderly but expect the state to pick up the bill and still get their inheritance. They expect, or in some cases demand to be looked after. Our family has and still looks after its elderly, but the traditional family no longer exists, so who should pick up the tab for those who can afford to look after their families but won't? If someone can't support themselves or are struggling the state should be a safety net, but not an obligatory service for all. It is ironic that those who have criticised Labour for years in the past about propagating the 'nanny' state complain when they try to do something about it! I looked it up and Winston Churchill first mentioned 'cradle to grave' in a 1943 speech 'after the war' I read a bit about 'national insurance' and 'the welfare state'. tbh I wanted to opt out and go private but I was told that I still had to pay into ( "the free") NHS even if I paid again to get private healthcare, I didnt know the term 'ponzi scheme' then but thats what i thought this whole thing was,you HAVE to pay in whilst you work in Britain and then at the end a government can move the goalposts and change what you recieve ie stopping winter fuel payments. I must say that if the Tories had done this a few on here would be ranting and raving but if half the population ends up queuing at soup kitchens or dying of cold it will be ok because we have a Labour govt now.
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Post by trymer on Aug 19, 2024 7:32:23 GMT
There was no choice was there ? you have to pay income tax and NS and you will be looked after 'from cradle to grave' well for some the grave bit might come a bit quicker thanks to this government Nice that you have a private pension but people who were on lower wages wouldnt have been able to afford that,I know a few single women who are worried about how they will cope once they have to retire...yes you wont have to live on less than 12k but lots will and thanks to Labour they are in for a **** time. "There was no choice was there ? you have to pay income tax and NS and you will be looked after 'from cradle to grave' well for some the grave bit might come a bit quicker thanks to this government" That was always a myth, especially when politicians started using that myth for gaining power. "but people who were on lower wages wouldnt have been able to afford that" I started paying in after the pension reforms of 1968 instigated by Barbara Castle "The story starts in 1968 when Barbara Castle launched the "state earnings related pension scheme" (Serps), which promised workers a pension of 25% of pay on retirement, as long as they paid full national insurance" So I started paying into the Xerox company scheme in 1977. I was 25. You takes your choices, including voting for politicians who do not believe in state provision. A woman in a low paid job in say catering after paying her rent probably couldnt afford to pay into a pension scheme, just say she gets her full old age pension plus a miniscule private pension that means that she gets £12,500 she will really miss the winter fuel allowance. The hilarious thing is that you were one of the biggest moaners on the 'is the cost of living crisis exaggerated' thread...now when a Labour govt cuts winter fuel allowance you agree with it ,even gloating about your own situation....LMAO here,i will say that your hypocrisy is entertaining... I remember a little song sung to the tune of 'the red flag' ...'the working class can kiss my a$$ I've got the foremans job at last'....sums up most socialists quite well really.
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Post by francegas on Aug 19, 2024 7:53:46 GMT
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Post by trymer on Aug 19, 2024 8:11:54 GMT
Using taxpayers money to keep warm in their second homes...Rachel Reeves more like Rachel thieves....might have gussed that Rayner would be in there with her snout in the trough. Sadly we will see on here 'they've done nothing wrong' its only the Daily Mail' 'the tories did it too' 'its not illegal' etc etc thats all code for **** the poor old pensioners.
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Post by oldie on Aug 19, 2024 8:53:48 GMT
"There was no choice was there ? you have to pay income tax and NS and you will be looked after 'from cradle to grave' well for some the grave bit might come a bit quicker thanks to this government" That was always a myth, especially when politicians started using that myth for gaining power. "but people who were on lower wages wouldnt have been able to afford that" I started paying in after the pension reforms of 1968 instigated by Barbara Castle "The story starts in 1968 when Barbara Castle launched the "state earnings related pension scheme" (Serps), which promised workers a pension of 25% of pay on retirement, as long as they paid full national insurance" So I started paying into the Xerox company scheme in 1977. I was 25. You takes your choices, including voting for politicians who do not believe in state provision. A woman in a low paid job in say catering after paying her rent probably couldnt afford to pay into a pension scheme, just say she gets her full old age pension plus a miniscule private pension that means that she gets £12,500 she will really miss the winter fuel allowance. The hilarious thing is that you were one of the biggest moaners on the 'is the cost of living crisis exaggerated' thread...now when a Labour govt cuts winter fuel allowance you agree with it ,even gloating about your own situation....LMAO here,i will say that your hypocrisy is entertaining... I remember a little song sung to the tune of 'the red flag' ...'the working class can kiss my a$$ I've got the foremans job at last'....sums up most socialists quite well really. You could personalised it that way. But the truth of course is that I want to see State Benefits targeted to those that need it most. Not as a blanket payment made to everyone regardless of need. So if forced to decide between boomers like me and children living in relative poverty, perhaps even without a home...without embarrassment I choose the latter.
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Post by oldie on Aug 19, 2024 8:55:20 GMT
And this "A woman in a low paid job in say catering after paying her rent probably couldnt afford to pay into a pension scheme, just say she gets her full old age pension plus a miniscule private pension that means that she gets £12,500 she will really miss the winter fuel allowance" Is more to do with our broken housing market and lack of social housing. £300 a year is not going to fix that
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