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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 16:50:39 GMT
Now you are being silly. It's not measurable is it. How do you measure taking away the Winter Fuel Allowance for 10m OAP's? How do you measure cancelling major infrastructure projects or the building of 40 new hospitals? How do you measure the cancelling of a new major computer project? Your questions are getting more and more bizarre. I take it that you support what this government is doing? Add to that riots in the streets,inflation is up and the amount of people 'economically inactive' has increased and its been a busy month for the new government,I sense that a winter of discontent is on its way. I don't agree with the winter of discontent coming for one simple reason. This government will give in to pay demands from the public sector. They already have with the Junior doctors. Today they will give in to the train drivers. GP's are now threatening action, so they will get what they want. The rest of the public sector are watching and licking their lips.
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Post by baldrick on Aug 14, 2024 17:59:48 GMT
Add to that riots in the streets,inflation is up and the amount of people 'economically inactive' has increased and its been a busy month for the new government,I sense that a winter of discontent is on its way. I don't agree with the winter of discontent coming for one simple reason. This government will give in to pay demands from the public sector. They already have with the Junior doctors. Today they will give in to the train drivers. GP's are now threatening action, so they will get what they want. The rest of the public sector are watching and licking their lips. Looks like it. "The department says that, following a series of "positive" talks led by the government, the train drivers' union ASLEF has agreed to recommend a new pay proposal to its members. "The offer made to ASLEF is a 5% pay rise for 2022/23, 4.75% for 23/24, and 4.5% for 24/25," a spokesperson for the DfT said. "The offer will now be put to ASLEF members in a referendum." " To be fair, I do have sympathy for any government over this, they have to balance the cost of disruption if an agreement isn't reached.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 18:03:51 GMT
I don't agree with the winter of discontent coming for one simple reason. This government will give in to pay demands from the public sector. They already have with the Junior doctors. Today they will give in to the train drivers. GP's are now threatening action, so they will get what they want. The rest of the public sector are watching and licking their lips. Looks like it. "The department says that, following a series of "positive" talks led by the government, the train drivers' union ASLEF has agreed to recommend a new pay proposal to its members. "The offer made to ASLEF is a 5% pay rise for 2022/23, 4.75% for 23/24, and 4.5% for 24/25," a spokesperson for the DfT said. "The offer will now be put to ASLEF members in a referendum." " To be fair, I do have sympathy for any government over this, they have to balance the cost of disruption if an agreement isn't reached. Jesus wept. It's backdated to 2022! The main problem here is that they have given the pay rise without any concessions from the union on productivity. This will just fuel inflation which will cost us all, plus tax rises to pay for it.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 18:09:15 GMT
"The BBC reports that ASLEF and the Labour government are now “hopeful” of reaching a pay deal as they meet today. The union rejected the Rail Delivery Group’s last offer, which would have boosted the average annual pay for a driver to £65,000, because the Tory government proposed implementing training efficiencies. After 18 driver strikes they must be confident there will be no such cost-saving demands from Labour…
According to Electoral Commission records ASLEF has historically donated £922,252 to Labour and its politicians, £380,648 of which was trousered in the last four years. Money talks…
The Rail Delivery Group has been taken off negotiations, which are now run directly by the DfT under Louise Haigh. A former union employee, Haigh spoke at an ASLEF meeting in 2022 to proclaim it “an honour to work with this fantastic union on building a world class rail network.” Anyone who remembers British Rail will be dreading a re-nationalised Labour rail system…"
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Post by baselswh on Aug 14, 2024 18:11:28 GMT
In the scenario Labour tax peoples savings,how do they find out what people have in savings and what is the minimum amount that will be taxed?
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Post by trymer on Aug 14, 2024 18:30:52 GMT
Add to that riots in the streets,inflation is up and the amount of people 'economically inactive' has increased and its been a busy month for the new government,I sense that a winter of discontent is on its way. I don't agree with the winter of discontent coming for one simple reason. This government will give in to pay demands from the public sector. They already have with the Junior doctors. Today they will give in to the train drivers. GP's are now threatening action, so they will get what they want. The rest of the public sector are watching and licking their lips. Yes you are probably right,the discontent will be amongst the people who pay for all that you mention and become worse off themselves.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 14, 2024 21:00:21 GMT
How about the Labour Government give fast track justice to knife criminals, to illegal immigrants arriving by boat, rape gangs,Hamas supporters chanting about raping Jewish peoples mothers and genocide, shop lifters,burglars,anti social behaviour.Etc,etc.
They can do it when they want to.
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Post by oldie on Aug 14, 2024 21:41:35 GMT
All in all Not bad for 6 weeks 😂😂😂 Of course none of this was unresolved issues in the pipeline Laugh, I nearly bought a round. PS Has Our Nigel held a constituency surgery yet in Clacton?
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Post by oldie on Aug 14, 2024 21:47:20 GMT
How about the Labour Government give fast track justice to knife criminals, to illegal immigrants arriving by boat, rape gangs,Hamas supporters chanting about raping Jewish peoples mothers and genocide, shop lifters,burglars,anti social behaviour.Etc,etc. They can do it when they want to. Rumour has it, for those in the know, we are deporting people who do not meet the threshold for Intelligence Quotient or Sentience. Seeking to utilise the £100s of 000,000s commited and spent by the clowns in the last government, we have approached Rwanda. But there is a problem. They have refused to accept them.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 15, 2024 9:29:07 GMT
All in all Not bad for 6 weeks 😂😂😂 Of course none of this was unresolved issues in the pipeline Laugh, I nearly bought a round. PS Has Our Nigel held a constituency surgery yet in Clacton? No, but apparently he has been there once. No sign of an office yet. How do other MPs and Ministers of State find time to open offices and hold surgeries. Its a mystery to the Reform Party Ltd....
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 15, 2024 9:34:32 GMT
Looks like it. "The department says that, following a series of "positive" talks led by the government, the train drivers' union ASLEF has agreed to recommend a new pay proposal to its members. "The offer made to ASLEF is a 5% pay rise for 2022/23, 4.75% for 23/24, and 4.5% for 24/25," a spokesperson for the DfT said. "The offer will now be put to ASLEF members in a referendum." " To be fair, I do have sympathy for any government over this, they have to balance the cost of disruption if an agreement isn't reached. Jesus wept. It's backdated to 2022! The main problem here is that they have given the pay rise without any concessions from the union on productivity. This will just fuel inflation which will cost us all, plus tax rises to pay for it. Well perhaps if the previous Government had got off their arses and done their jobs this legacy issue which was unresolved since 2022 would have been dealt with. So Labour are guilty of sorting out deals that had been outstanding, really? Perhaps if instead of holidaying while missing attending Cobra meetings, partying while the 'bodies piled high', attending parties and getting pi$$ed with ex KGB agents whilst carrying a ministerial red box, lining their own and donor pockets, they could have found time to resolve the issues. If new management came into your firm Nobby and you had a dispute outstanding since 2022, would you expect them to sit down like adults and deal with it or ignore it?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 15, 2024 9:42:11 GMT
So you both think that the performance of the Labour government has been 'not bad' in the first six weeks, and your main area of concern is where Nigel Farage is? Sorry Oldie, but was the scrapping of the Winter Fuel Allowance an 'unresolved issue'? Can't believe you two support that policy. You both support the cancelling of the 'New Hospitals' project? You both support the cancelling of the Social Care Bill, that would have capped the amount families pay for Care? You both support VAT being put on Private School Fees, despite it not being economically useful but the politics of spite, jealousy and envy. So are you both agreeing that VAT should be paid on University Fees? What is the difference between a Private Education and University Education?
and your main concern is where Farage is?
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Post by oldie on Aug 15, 2024 10:09:59 GMT
So you both think that the performance of the Labour government has been 'not bad' in the first six weeks, and your main area of concern is where Nigel Farage is? Sorry Oldie, but was the scrapping of the Winter Fuel Allowance an 'unresolved issue'? Can't believe you two support that policy. You both support the cancelling of the 'New Hospitals' project? You both support the cancelling of the Social Care Bill, that would have capped the amount families pay for Care? You both support VAT being put on Private School Fees, despite it not being economically useful but the politics of spite, jealousy and envy. So are you both agreeing that VAT should be paid on University Fees? What is the difference between a Private Education and University Education? and your main concern is where Farage is? Let's try to be sensible. In six weeks, decisions on outstanding issues had to be made. A lot were inherited as Cheshire points out, some are pointers to a direction of travel. You keep banging on about the Winter Fuel Allowance. Yes I do agree with it's removal as a blanket benefit. Absolutely, it was a buy a vote benefit for too many. However for those pensioners on pension credit, they will still be eligible for this benefit...something that rarely gets mentioned in the hysteria. On the deal with the train unions, this dispute was damaging the economy. Whether the numbers stack up I don't know, but if a government is to target growth in the economy we cannot have critical transport infrastructure out of action for weeks in any given year. Similarly within the NHS, if we are to deal with an inherited backlog of treatments, if we are to get the economically inactive (due to incomplete treatment) back out there we need to get the Health Service back up and running properly, not being held back by disaffected staff and hampered by mass vacancies. Again, the economic impact of all that is a disaster. As for everything else I think we have to wait for the Autumn Budget / Statement to guage where we are going with this. Whatever the level of damage done by the 14 years of Tory government it is done. Time to take stock and go again. If the plans, actions, decisions don't hold water then personally I shall be critical.
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Post by baldrick on Aug 15, 2024 10:21:58 GMT
So you both think that the performance of the Labour government has been 'not bad' in the first six weeks, and your main area of concern is where Nigel Farage is? Sorry Oldie, but was the scrapping of the Winter Fuel Allowance an 'unresolved issue'? Can't believe you two support that policy. You both support the cancelling of the 'New Hospitals' project? You both support the cancelling of the Social Care Bill, that would have capped the amount families pay for Care? You both support VAT being put on Private School Fees, despite it not being economically useful but the politics of spite, jealousy and envy. So are you both agreeing that VAT should be paid on University Fees? What is the difference between a Private Education and University Education? and your main concern is where Farage is? Let's try to be sensible. In six weeks, decisions on outstanding issues had to be made. A lot were inherited as Cheshire points out, some are pointers to a direction of travel. You keep banging on about the Winter Fuel Allowance. Yes I do agree with it's removal as a blanket benefit. Absolutely, it was a buy a vote benefit for too many. However for those pensioners on pension credit, they will still be eligible for this benefit...something that rarely gets mentioned in the hysteria. On the deal with the train unions, this dispute was damaging the economy. Whether the numbers stack up I don't know, but if a government is to target growth in the economy we cannot have critical transport infrastructure out of action for weeks in any given year. Similarly within the NHS, if we are to deal with an inherited backlog of treatments, if we are to get the economically inactive (due to incomplete treatment) back out there we need to get the Health Service back up and running properly, not being held back by disaffected staff and hampered by mass vacancies. Again, the economic impact of all that is a disaster. As for everything else I think we have to wait for the Autumn Budget / Statement to guage where we are going with this. Whatever the level of damage done by the 14 years of Tory government it is done. Time to take stock and go again. If the plans, actions, decisions don't hold water then personally I shall be critical. There is a cost for inaction, sometimes not making a decision is worse.
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Post by francegas on Aug 15, 2024 10:23:53 GMT
I see Sadiq Khan has authorised Road closures over 3 days around London so the locals can celebrate Pakistan Independence Day. Good Job I'm no longer living in Hillingdon as my route to work was through Southall where a number of roads are closed.
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Post by oldie on Aug 15, 2024 10:26:44 GMT
Let's try to be sensible. In six weeks, decisions on outstanding issues had to be made. A lot were inherited as Cheshire points out, some are pointers to a direction of travel. You keep banging on about the Winter Fuel Allowance. Yes I do agree with it's removal as a blanket benefit. Absolutely, it was a buy a vote benefit for too many. However for those pensioners on pension credit, they will still be eligible for this benefit...something that rarely gets mentioned in the hysteria. On the deal with the train unions, this dispute was damaging the economy. Whether the numbers stack up I don't know, but if a government is to target growth in the economy we cannot have critical transport infrastructure out of action for weeks in any given year. Similarly within the NHS, if we are to deal with an inherited backlog of treatments, if we are to get the economically inactive (due to incomplete treatment) back out there we need to get the Health Service back up and running properly, not being held back by disaffected staff and hampered by mass vacancies. Again, the economic impact of all that is a disaster. As for everything else I think we have to wait for the Autumn Budget / Statement to guage where we are going with this. Whatever the level of damage done by the 14 years of Tory government it is done. Time to take stock and go again. If the plans, actions, decisions don't hold water then personally I shall be critical. There is a cost for inaction, sometimes not making a decision is worse. Absolutely. Putting my opportunistic capitalist hat on "Opportunity Cost"
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Post by oldie on Aug 15, 2024 10:28:03 GMT
I see Sadiq Khan has authorised Road closures over 3 days around London so the locals can celebrate Pakistan Independence Day. Good Job I'm no longer living in Hillingdon as my route to work was through Southall where a number of roads are closed. Ah, so you were the one living in Hillingdon.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 15, 2024 10:53:01 GMT
I see Sadiq Khan has authorised Road closures over 3 days around London so the locals can celebrate Pakistan Independence Day. Good Job I'm no longer living in Hillingdon as my route to work was through Southall where a number of roads are closed. So much more accommodating to Pakistanis than English.Eg,In the European Championships. I think Kahn an absolute snivelling s**t.
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Post by oldie on Aug 15, 2024 11:09:17 GMT
I see Sadiq Khan has authorised Road closures over 3 days around London so the locals can celebrate Pakistan Independence Day. Good Job I'm no longer living in Hillingdon as my route to work was through Southall where a number of roads are closed. So much more accommodating to Pakistanis than English.Eg,In the European Championships. I think Kahn an absolute snivelling s**t. What about Chinese New Year? Should we ban that celebration?
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Post by francegas on Aug 15, 2024 12:02:37 GMT
So much more accommodating to Pakistanis than English.Eg,In the European Championships. I think Kahn an absolute snivelling s**t. What about Chinese New Year? Should we ban that celebration? Slight difference between Chinese New Year celebrations and celebrating a country's independence. London Chinese New Year celebrations are the biggest outside of Asia where hundreds of thousands come to celebrate in London, are generally done on a Sunday and roads reopened the same day.
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