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Post by baldrick on Aug 13, 2024 15:42:54 GMT
Not my figures, besides I was referring to the suggestion that British people will go to the back of the queue. Bas and France have been asked for a source to their posts, they must have formed their opinions somewhere. Sure, not your figures, but you posted them as part of your argument. Can you not see that if 10% of social housing goes to migrants, then there is a problem? The non UK born population is 10m or 16% so they are lower percentage wise, however it's a lot more nuanced that just cold figures, though. Each number represents a person or family and each one of those has different needs, vulnerabilities and where in the UK they live. If a house in Newcastle becomes available it may be better for a migrant who by their very nature is more transient to be moved there while a British family in Bristol wait until one becomes available closer to home. Basel and Francegas have insinuated that ALL migrants and terrorists are being prioritised above ANY British people. That is patently untrue, even allowing for 'exaggeration for effect', nor have they provided any sources. It remains a perception, genuinely held maybe, but it isn't reality. I'm not saying the immigration issue doesn't affect allocation just as I'm sure you don't think life would be fine without immigration, be that legal or otherwise. Some of those immigrants will be from Hong Kong, Ukraine, Iraq and Afghanistan, many we either welcomed in or owe a debt of thanks to from their service with us. Who 'deserves' a house more? A British layabout who hasn't worked but has lots of children or an Afghan interpreter who helped in Helmand saving lives and had to flee because he was facing execution? A criminal just getting out of prison or someone who wants to work, pay taxes and contribute to society? Shelter's figures are: "21,600 social homes were either sold or demolished in 2021/22, while only 7,500 new homes were built, leading to a net loss of 14,100 homes. In the last decade, there has been a total net loss of 165,000 social homes (between 2012/13 and 2021/22). 1.2 million households in England are currently stuck on waiting lists for a social home, a rise of 5% in the last two years." Now, there are c.700,000 houses remaining empty at the moment. If those came back onto the market or are available then (in theory), we can halve the problem without even building more. It's not that simple, but food for thought.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 13, 2024 15:57:23 GMT
Well, if want to talk about the Tories and Reform, then start a thread. This one in entitled 'The Labour government's progress'. Which is ridiculous after less than a couple of months in power. No wonder it draws such ridicule If you think that way then fine. There's no need for you to comment. Just go and start your own thread on the Tories and Reform.
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Post by oldie on Aug 13, 2024 18:05:58 GMT
Which is ridiculous after less than a couple of months in power. No wonder it draws such ridicule If you think that way then fine. There's no need for you to comment. Just go and start your own thread on the Tories and Reform. I don't need to. The irrationality of targeting outcomes within 8 weeks of ascent to power is there for all to see.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 13, 2024 20:33:35 GMT
If you think that way then fine. There's no need for you to comment. Just go and start your own thread on the Tories and Reform. I don't need to. The irrationality of targeting outcomes within 8 weeks of ascent to power is there for all to see. This is like drawing teeth. I am not 'targeting outcomes'. The title of the thread is 'the Labour government's progress', so your viewpoint is totally irrational as the thread is about progress, not outcomes. Like I said, why don't you start your own thread, or are you frightened that you'll just end up talking to yourself?
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Post by baselswh on Aug 13, 2024 20:58:50 GMT
It's about 1 in 5 council homes are occupied by foreigners.
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Post by baldrick on Aug 13, 2024 21:03:52 GMT
It's about 1 in 5 council homes are occupied by foreigners. Source?
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 13, 2024 21:25:10 GMT
It's about 1 in 5 council homes are occupied by foreigners.
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Post by baldrick on Aug 13, 2024 21:44:12 GMT
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Post by oldie on Aug 14, 2024 3:48:40 GMT
I don't need to. The irrationality of targeting outcomes within 8 weeks of ascent to power is there for all to see. This is like drawing teeth. I am not 'targeting outcomes'. The title of the thread is 'the Labour government's progress', so your viewpoint is totally irrational as the thread is about progress, not outcomes. Like I said, why don't you start your own thread, or are you frightened that you'll just end up talking to yourself? So How do you measure progress then?
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Post by baselswh on Aug 14, 2024 6:09:48 GMT
It's about 1 in 5 council homes are occupied by foreigners. 🙂 Thanks BT. Our Council House "International Project". That's what it is,"international ".
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 6:34:38 GMT
This is like drawing teeth. I am not 'targeting outcomes'. The title of the thread is 'the Labour government's progress', so your viewpoint is totally irrational as the thread is about progress, not outcomes. Like I said, why don't you start your own thread, or are you frightened that you'll just end up talking to yourself? So How do you measure progress then? Now you are being silly. It's not measurable is it. How do you measure taking away the Winter Fuel Allowance for 10m OAP's? How do you measure cancelling major infrastructure projects or the building of 40 new hospitals? How do you measure the cancelling of a new major computer project? Your questions are getting more and more bizarre. I take it that you support what this government is doing?
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Post by oldie on Aug 14, 2024 6:56:15 GMT
So How do you measure progress then? Now you are being silly. It's not measurable is it. How do you measure taking away the Winter Fuel Allowance for 10m OAP's? How do you measure cancelling major infrastructure projects or the building of 40 new hospitals? How do you measure the cancelling of a new major computer project? Your questions are getting more and more bizarre. I take it that you support what this government is doing? Let me try again then with another word, how do you evaluate progress? Because if you don't, if you cannot, the title of this thread is meaningless, is it not? Let me help you, in the context of the Labour Party. In their manifesto they stated certain aims and objectives. How would you evaluate their progress against their objectives?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 14, 2024 9:38:00 GMT
"Cancelling hospital and railway line construction investment. Labour pledged in its manifesto to fulfil the 2019 New Hospital Programme. Reversing claims that Labour wouldn’t come into power and find a black hole in the public finances. Not raising tax on working people. U-turning on plans to repeal Starmer’s special DPP tax perk. Going back on suggestions that Labour would look at ID cards for citizens. Scrapping their pledge to immediately repeal Section 21 evictions. Scrapping £1.3 billion in tech and AI project funding. Lowering housebuilding targets in London by 20%. Leaving the door open to scrapping the two-child benefit cap by launching a delaying ‘taskforce’. Pulling the cash pledged to fill one million potholes. That filled a few days of Labour campaigning in the election… More major U-turns are set to appear further down the line. "
And of course, there is the stuff they didn't mention like scrapping the Winter Fuel Allowance.....and this is in the first six weeks.
I see inflation is up again today.
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 14, 2024 10:08:38 GMT
Adding to the last quote from above: The UK's inflation rate has risen for the first time this year, official figures show.Overall prices rose by 2.2% in the year to July, slightly above the Bank of England’s target of 2% where the rate had been since May. A rise was widely predicted and is due to prices of gas and electricity falling by less than they did a year before. The increase is also less than many economists had expected. The latest figures mean that prices are now rising faster across the UK than in previous months, but still at a slower pace than in 2022 and 2023 when households were hit especially hard by higher energy and food bills. All the details on the link below:www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ceq59pqr9qxo
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Post by oldie on Aug 14, 2024 10:10:53 GMT
"Cancelling hospital and railway line construction investment. Labour pledged in its manifesto to fulfil the 2019 New Hospital Programme. Reversing claims that Labour wouldn’t come into power and find a black hole in the public finances. Not raising tax on working people. U-turning on plans to repeal Starmer’s special DPP tax perk. Going back on suggestions that Labour would look at ID cards for citizens. Scrapping their pledge to immediately repeal Section 21 evictions. Scrapping £1.3 billion in tech and AI project funding. Lowering housebuilding targets in London by 20%. Leaving the door open to scrapping the two-child benefit cap by launching a delaying ‘taskforce’. Pulling the cash pledged to fill one million potholes. That filled a few days of Labour campaigning in the election… More major U-turns are set to appear further down the line. " And of course, there is the stuff they didn't mention like scrapping the Winter Fuel Allowance.....and this is in the first six weeks. I see inflation is up again today. Emmm I guess evaluating any of those decisions has to be made within the context of our current revenue forecasts and borrowing limitations. I think I will wait until the budget in October to see how the numbers stack up. If Reeves is telling the truth then her numbers will stack up against revenue and borrowing, this then will put the cancelled / postponed projects into sharp relief if we overlay the costs of those onto the upcoming budget. Given that institutions like the IFS have stated that Hunts last budget did not stack up and also said that Labour had not been upfront about the budget challenges facing them, then the politics of this will not be black and white. Let's see how the first budget adds up
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Post by trymer on Aug 14, 2024 14:08:52 GMT
So How do you measure progress then? Now you are being silly. It's not measurable is it. How do you measure taking away the Winter Fuel Allowance for 10m OAP's? How do you measure cancelling major infrastructure projects or the building of 40 new hospitals? How do you measure the cancelling of a new major computer project? Your questions are getting more and more bizarre. I take it that you support what this government is doing? Add to that riots in the streets,inflation is up and the amount of people 'economically inactive' has increased and its been a busy month for the new government,I sense that a winter of discontent is on its way.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 14, 2024 14:23:19 GMT
Now you are being silly. It's not measurable is it. How do you measure taking away the Winter Fuel Allowance for 10m OAP's? How do you measure cancelling major infrastructure projects or the building of 40 new hospitals? How do you measure the cancelling of a new major computer project? Your questions are getting more and more bizarre. I take it that you support what this government is doing? Add to that riots in the streets,inflation is up and the amount of people 'economically inactive' has increased and its been a busy month for the new government,I sense that a winter of discontent is on its way. Given the success of right wing misinformation and the ugly exploitation of the deaths of children to incite people to riot, with the source being Russian and other websites happily exploited by right wing commentators and the full engagement of some UK politicians, I think you are right. I believe that there will be a growth in misinformation and incitement of the gullible to rise against a Government in its infancy, and with vast funds in the background supplied by Russia and its acolytes, I think we have a lot to worry about in the UK. And if Trump wins, I fully expect the anti freedom rhetoric currently being promoted by Bannon, Project 2025, right wing Republicans and the like to spread to the UK. People like Rees Mogg and the few ERG group, together with some of the contenders for Tory Party leadership are keen fans of the anti-migrants, anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ+, anti social care/health agenda being promoted in the USA.
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Post by trymer on Aug 14, 2024 14:30:23 GMT
Add to that riots in the streets,inflation is up and the amount of people 'economically inactive' has increased and its been a busy month for the new government,I sense that a winter of discontent is on its way. Given the success of right wing misinformation and the ugly exploitation of the deaths of children to incite people to riot, with the source being Russian and other websites happily exploited by right wing commentators and the full engagement of some UK politicians, I think you are right. I believe that there will be a growth in misinformation and incitement of the gullible to rise against a Government in its infancy, and with vast funds in the background supplied by Russia and its acolytes, I think we have a lot to worry about in the UK. And if Trump wins, I fully expect the anti freedom rhetoric currently being promoted by Bannon, Project 2025, right wing Republicans and the like to spread to the UK. People like Rees Mogg and the few ERG group, together with some of the contenders for Tory Party leadership are keen fans of the anti-migrants, anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ+, anti social care/health agenda being promoted in the USA. The Southport riot was in response to the fatal stabbings (i dont agree with or condone it) the rest of the riots were copycat,it was exactly the same in 2011,the riot that sparked it all off was a one off,the rest were copycats....the difference is that the 2011 rioters were'nt labelled 'far right'....
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 14, 2024 15:00:25 GMT
Given the success of right wing misinformation and the ugly exploitation of the deaths of children to incite people to riot, with the source being Russian and other websites happily exploited by right wing commentators and the full engagement of some UK politicians, I think you are right. I believe that there will be a growth in misinformation and incitement of the gullible to rise against a Government in its infancy, and with vast funds in the background supplied by Russia and its acolytes, I think we have a lot to worry about in the UK. And if Trump wins, I fully expect the anti freedom rhetoric currently being promoted by Bannon, Project 2025, right wing Republicans and the like to spread to the UK. People like Rees Mogg and the few ERG group, together with some of the contenders for Tory Party leadership are keen fans of the anti-migrants, anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ+, anti social care/health agenda being promoted in the USA. The Southport riot was in response to the fatal stabbings (i dont agree with or condone it) the rest of the riots were copycat,it was exactly the same in 2011,the riot that sparked it all off was a one off,the rest were copycats....the difference is that the 2011 rioters were'nt labelled 'far right'.... Sorry to disagree but the Southport riots started after Andrew Tate, Stephen Yaxley Lennon, Nigel Farage, amongst others repeated within hours misinformation from a Russian backed website Channel3 that the murderer was a Rwandan illegal immigrant boat asylum seeker. It may have been an excuse but that is where it started. The rest followed. Each of those named has now either back tracked or apologised grudgingly. Race rioters have previously been called far right as people were in the 197os....
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Post by baselswh on Aug 14, 2024 16:49:20 GMT
In the scenario Labour tax peoples savings,how does that work?
They check peoples bank details eg?
Also,how much savings is taxable?
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