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Post by trymer on Aug 1, 2024 18:23:52 GMT
In the scenario things carry on the same,then Reform can really push on at the next General Election . If the Conservatives get themselves sorted, perhaps even if they don't, I expect reform to still have single digit MPs come 2029. If Labour keep going like they have since taking office there will be an election well before 2029.
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Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 1, 2024 20:13:38 GMT
Starmers press conference says it all. Blamed everything on the far right, never mentioned the Leeds riots because of course he couldn't blame it on the right, compared people to football hooligans (bloody cheek), never mentioned two tier policing, never really mentioned why or accepted reasons why people are upset, never mentioned the events at Manchester Airport. Then he took questions you've guessed it BBC, ITV, C4, Sky, The Mail (unbelievably), The Times, The Guardian and The Mirror. No 10 refused GB news the opportunity to ask a question. Well done Starmer yet again your true colours have come out. Starmer and the Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper both spoke at length about and condemned the Leeds riots at the time. But I guess we see what we want to see and hear.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 1, 2024 20:51:54 GMT
In the scenario things carry on the same,then Reform can really push on at the next General Election . If the Conservatives get themselves sorted, perhaps even if they don't, I expect reform to still have single digit MPs come 2029. Could be Baldrick,but 2nd place in over 90 constituencies,over 4,000,000 votes,Labour messing up,Conservatives continuing to unimpress,etc. I think it possible Reform have double digits before the next General Election.
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 5, 2024 21:34:02 GMT
Keir Starmer snubs Nigel Farage's demand with outrage growing over UK riot chaos..by Christian Calgiei.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/03/08/88108831-13704797-image-a-3_1722670272408.jpgSir Keir Starmer's official spokesman has ruled out recalling parliament, ignoring the demands of multiple parties now calling for MPs to return to Westminster amid the ongoing rioting. Speaking to journalists this lunchtime, the spokesman did not rule out recalling parliament entirely, but said that the Government is not considering such a move at present. He added that their focus is on ensuring "that communities are kept safe, to ensure that people who have participated in this violent disorder face the full force of the law". The move will infuriate opposition parties, with both Priti Patel and Nigel Farage now demanding that an emergency debate on the riots be held and MPs' holidays be kiboshed. This morning former Home Secretary Priti Patel wrote to Sir Keir, Yvette Cooper and Leader of the Commons Lucy Powell, demanding a recall. She demanded: "Parliament and the public need reassurances about the steps the Government and Law and order agencies are taking to restore order to our streets and to deal with those responsible for the violence, and the House of Commons is the forum where this shold take place". i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/03/08/88108819-13704797-image-a-1_1722670265034.jpg"In view of these circumstances, I trust you will consider making the necessary arrangements with the Speaker of the House of Commons to enable it to be recalled." Nigel Farage similarly called for a "more honest debate about these vital issues and give people the confidence that there are political solutions that are relevant to them. A recall of Parliament would be an appropriate start to this". However Mr Farage was warned this morning by a Labour MP that if parliament were recalled his words over the past week will be squarly in the firing line. Middlesborough MP Andy McDonald blasted: "If Parliament is recalled I could see the justification for it, because there are certain voices in the chamber who need to answer for all the incitement and the fomenting of hatred and division over many many years". "They've succeeded, they've got what they want, but I've got a message for them: we will win, we will prevail, they will not." Asked if this was a message for Nigel Farage and Lee Anderson, Mr McDonald freely admitted: "It's a direct message to those two people, they have been at this for such a long time, stirring up racial hatred". "These people are complete racists and they'll be exposed as such continually over the next several weeks and months. "We cannot allow their warped views to prevail in our country and they have to understand that absolutely clearly. We are not going to tolerate this." The snubbing came shortly after Sir Keir wrapped up a meeting of COBRA, something he did for the first time nearly a week after the riots began. He had been facing widespread criticism over his handling of the rioting epidemic, Following the emergency Cobra meeting, Sir Keir Starmer's spokesman said that the Justice Secretary had confirmed that there is enough capacity in the prison system to lock up anyone involved in the riots that we've seen over the weekend. "There are also processes and protocols in place between the police and the prison service to manage a short-term influx of people being held on remand. "But more broadly, it's exactly why the Government has taken the necessary measures to tackle prison overcrowding, in order to ensure that in incidents like we've seen over the past week, we are able to lock people up who are causing disorder on our streets." i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/05/18/23/85050719-13434029-image-a-103_1716071037403.jpgJacob Rees-Mogg has outlined his grave concerns about mass immigration in a discussion on GB News with Steve Edginton. Speaking ahead of the riots that started in Southport and have gripped the nation since, the former Tory MP said immigration must be almost “stopped” by reducing the number of people entering the country to a minuscule total. “I think there are enormous problems that mass migration has caused in terms of our culture”, he said. “Mass migration has been carried out at such a rate that integration has been impossible. “I think we need to stop immigration now. I don’t mean just get it down to 300,000 rather than the best part of a million, we need to get it down to the tens of thousands. “It needs to be a small number to allow time for integration and cultural acclimatisation. “We have created in this country areas where communities are carrying on with their culture rather than becoming part of the British culture. “I believe that is very difficult.” Jacob spoke ahead of the riots sparked by the deaths of three girls attending a Taylor Swift-themed dance class in Southport. Rioters have clashed with police officers as they make their anti-immigration sentiments known, with many stationing themselves outside migrant hotels.
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 6, 2024 2:10:53 GMT
Jim Davidson - Two-tier Keir: Does the PM just hate working-class Brits ?
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Post by baselswh on Aug 6, 2024 12:52:52 GMT
Hated already. That's a bit of an achievement.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 6, 2024 13:05:36 GMT
Hated already. That's a bit of an achievement. The propaganda is working well, isn't it!
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 6, 2024 13:06:15 GMT
Jim Davidson - Two-tier Keir: Does the PM just hate working-class Brits ? Jim Davidson as a political commentator, really?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 13:38:56 GMT
Jim Davidson - Two-tier Keir: Does the PM just hate working-class Brits ? Jim Davidson as a political commentator, really? Aren't we all?
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 14:22:14 GMT
Jim Davidson as a political commentator, really? Aren't we all? Gay? Non Binary? Jim Davidson...? Which, we need to know!
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 6, 2024 16:55:07 GMT
Jim Davidson as a political commentator, really? Aren't we all? We are all entitled to our opinion Nobby, and while it is focussed on being willing to accept societal norms of respectability, we can discuss and debate, hopefully without plumbing the depths. I have seen and heard some pretty nasty and base racist outpourings from Davidson. I also heard him in a bar in a hotel in Manchester where I was staying. I would certainly not want to be associated with him or see him as someone to respect or listen to.
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Post by aghast on Aug 6, 2024 18:53:16 GMT
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 20:17:01 GMT
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Post by aghast on Aug 6, 2024 20:35:13 GMT
It's all been a bit of a set-up really, hasn't it? With hapless Tories being led by the nose from the Right into this mess. Just like with Brexit.
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2024 21:08:46 GMT
It's all been a bit of a set-up really, hasn't it? With hapless Tories being led by the nose from the Right into this mess. Just like with Brexit. Absolutely Aghast Starting in 2006 with cries on "Nanny State" to head off legislation, to the mortgage fraud induced banking crash, the rebuild funded by the poorest under austerity. Oh look, we need to rebuild our national balance sheet, let's close Sure Start Centres, let's stop funding Nurses Bursaries, let's cancel school refurbishment programmes, let's underfund everything. Then as the social fabric unravels, let's blame the EU. Let's leave. When things then get even worse, let's blame foreigners. Especially dark skin types. You throwing up yet?
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 22:56:50 GMT
We are all entitled to our opinion Nobby, and while it is focussed on being willing to accept societal norms of respectability, we can discuss and debate, hopefully without plumbing the depths. I have seen and heard some pretty nasty and base racist outpourings from Davidson. I also heard him in a bar in a hotel in Manchester where I was staying. I would certainly not want to be associated with him or see him as someone to respect or listen to. I'm not saying that I agree with him, however opinions are like arse holes.........we all have one.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 22:57:43 GMT
and of course, there is no chaos with this current Labour government is there !
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2024 23:02:52 GMT
It's all been a bit of a set-up really, hasn't it? With hapless Tories being led by the nose from the Right into this mess. Just like with Brexit. Fer gawd's sake. When are you going to realise that the immigration failure is the result of both Labour and Tory policies? And to even mention Brexit in your post is just infantile. Brexit was the result of a national vote by the people. The fact that Labour and the Tories then turned it into a party political issue was shameful. Let's not forget that 17.2 million people voted for Brexit. Only 9 million people voted for this Labour government. The Tories did not lead anyone into Brexit. In fact the Tory government of the day was a Remain government. The HoC was, and still is, a Remain HoC. Why are you trying to rewrite historical fact?
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Post by aghast on Aug 6, 2024 23:28:45 GMT
It's all been a bit of a set-up really, hasn't it? With hapless Tories being led by the nose from the Right into this mess. Just like with Brexit. Fer gawd's sake. When are you going to realise that the immigration failure is the result of both Labour and Tory policies? And to even mention Brexit in your post is just infantile. Brexit was the result of a national vote by the people. The fact that Labour and the Tories then turned it into a party political issue was shameful. Let's not forget that 17.2 million people voted for Brexit. Only 9 million people voted for this Labour government. The Tories did not lead anyone into Brexit. In fact the Tory government of the day was a Remain government. The HoC was, and still is, a Remain HoC. Why are you trying to rewrite historical fact? I'm not, and didn't say the Tories led us into Brexit. I said the threat of the Right led the Tories into the Brexit mess, which was totally mismanaged as I'm sure people on all sides agree.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 7, 2024 17:48:04 GMT
Two Tier Kier allowing criminals and the queue jumping immigrants access to Council homes.
Go to the back of the queue and allow this family that hate us,to take your place.
What a **** two tier Kier is.
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