oldie
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 16:46:58 GMT
Universities should be made to provide accommodation for all their students throughout their time at uni,also they should have to provide Doctors and hospitals. A city like Bristol is ridiculously expensive for local people to rent houses because of the large amount of students here from 2 universities, also the NHS comes under more pressure because of the demand from thousands of students. An awful lot of students coming in are post grad. Normally students do not qualify for University Halls of Residence if on a post grad course. So.... "In 2021/22 the number of new enrolments on postgraduate courses rose 9% from the previous year to 526,645. Of the total 820,310 postgraduate students enrolled in 2021/22, 45% (372,500) were non-UK domiciled."
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 16:54:26 GMT
Universities should be made to provide accommodation for all their students throughout their time at uni,also they should have to provide Doctors and hospitals. A city like Bristol is ridiculously expensive for local people to rent houses because of the large amount of students here from 2 universities, also the NHS comes under more pressure because of the demand from thousands of students. An awful lot of students coming in are post grad. Normally students do not qualify for University Halls of Residence if on a post grad course. So.... "In 2021/22 the number of new enrolments on postgraduate courses rose 9% from the previous year to 526,645. Of the total 820,310 postgraduate students enrolled in 2021/22, 45% (372,500) were non-UK domiciled." One university locally provides family flats for foreign students with their dependents,I have no issue with that as long as the accommodation is for their whole stay, as I said medical sevices should be provided by the uni too....also if the student or any of their dependents break the law they should all be deported. Would be interesting to find out how many students/dependents come here and then disappear and never leave the country.
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oldie
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 17:00:32 GMT
An awful lot of students coming in are post grad. Normally students do not qualify for University Halls of Residence if on a post grad course. So.... "In 2021/22 the number of new enrolments on postgraduate courses rose 9% from the previous year to 526,645. Of the total 820,310 postgraduate students enrolled in 2021/22, 45% (372,500) were non-UK domiciled." One university locally provides family flats for foreign students with their dependents,I have no issue with that as long as the accommodation is for their whole stay, as I said medical sevices should be provided by the uni too....also if the student or any of their dependents break the law they should all be deported. Would be interesting to find out how many students/dependents come here and then disappear and never leave the country. I have had a bit of exposure to this. Liverpool University with it's medical school appears to be a bit of star attraction to some nationalities. What I learned is that a lot of these post grad students are sponsored by their governments. If you were a Saudi national, the "incentive" to graduate and return home is, ummmm, "quite strong"🤔🤭
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 17:00:33 GMT
A relative of mine was given quite short notice to leave his rented house,he couldnt find any other houses in Bristol that he could afford and has had to move away from the city of his birth and where he has always lived. Near to me there is a small 2 bedroom terrace house being rented out for £1500 a month and a 3 bed end of terrace for £2000,these prices are being pushed up by the thousands of students coming to uni here,its unfair to local people. Who makes all this money from students / vice chancellors on 350K,Deliveroo riders, takeaway shops....and people caught in the rental trap pay the price.
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 17:06:43 GMT
One university locally provides family flats for foreign students with their dependents,I have no issue with that as long as the accommodation is for their whole stay, as I said medical sevices should be provided by the uni too....also if the student or any of their dependents break the law they should all be deported. Would be interesting to find out how many students/dependents come here and then disappear and never leave the country. I have had a bit of exposure to this. Liverpool University with it's medical school appears to be a bit of star attraction to some nationalities. What I learned is that a lot of these post grad students are sponsored by their governments. If you were a Saudi national, the "incentive" to graduate and return home is, ummmm, "quite strong"🤔🤭 What I find annoying is that some students only do 7 or 8 hours lectures per week,do they need to move here ? Also a lot of courses can be done online (not Doctors or Vets of course) in fact every lecture is videoed a lot of students dont go to lectures they just catch up watching the lecture online when they get out of bed (about 10.30 AM) this idea of thousands of students heading to cities is old fashioned and negatively affects people who actuially live in those cities. Yes,the Chinese students are subsidised by their government,i actually wonder how many of them are spies !
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Post by icegas on Jul 8, 2024 17:22:35 GMT
I don't see skin colour, and it's wrong to imply racism because you disagree with an different point of view to anyone else. "You are a racist" isn't an argument. "Your are a fascist" isn't an argument. .... Don't you get it? Immigration can be good, but people coming in illegally and overtake our culture is not. It's very simple!! But there are hundreds coming into this country daily illegally on boats which are just let in by our "boarder control".. Thousands per week are being housed in Hotels.Ive seen them with my own eyes at Filton and by the bear pit in town, cant remember which hotel it was, I believe it was the Hilton.Ive also spoke to some illegals given my job and how they got here and they have explained. Anyway the point is, given that the government..as you pointed out is issuing them to stay here, which is fundamentally wrong.Also that does not included the 1.5 Million as you stated coming here legally. I'm sorry but is enough.Come on.Its not racist or anything to stay enough is enough as we have let enough in. I'm currently getting the bus to travel in Bristol to work etc.. due to a lack of car,and I'm shocked by how much we as a city has changed in the past year or two. I got on the bus a week ago and out of maybe 15 or pepper so on it, I was honestly the only white English person there.This was travelling from town to east bristol. I'm not sat on the bus thinking racist slurs, but rather our culture is slowly being erased and our country being taken over,as it is. Look at the uprising in reform here, France and across Europe and even the USA.Thats not just racist f**ks rising up, but normal people who have been welcoming but are now saying that's enough as,the immigrations are taking over our nations. You knocked me about a link I put up on here a few days ago about our new justice Minister,or whatever her title is called being another Muslim PM. At what point 20 years ago,hell even 5 years ago could you have named 5 Muslims in office here? I willing to suggest that you couldn't. But we do now do from the highest level,to the bottom.And Im sorry they do no have the natives of this best wishes at heart.
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Post by icegas on Jul 8, 2024 17:24:24 GMT
I don't see skin colour, and it's wrong to imply racism because you disagree with an different point of view to anyone else. "You are a racist" isn't an argument. "Your are a fascist" isn't an argument. .... Don't you get it? Immigration can be good, but people coming in illegally and overtake our culture is not. It's very simple!! I would agree. But the part of the equation you are missing is that the government have been issuing 1.4 million work/study visas annually over the last couple of years. That's not illegal immigration that's government supported migration. But there are hundreds coming into this country daily illegally on boats which are just let in by our "boarder control".. Thousands per week are being housed in Hotels.Ive seen them with my own eyes at Filton and by the bear pit in town, cant remember which hotel it was, I believe it was the Hilton.Ive also spoke to some illegals given my job and how they got here and they have explained. Anyway the point is, given that the government..as you pointed out is issuing them to stay here, which is fundamentally wrong.Also that does not included the 1.5 Million as you stated coming here legally. I'm sorry but is enough.Come on.Its not racist or anything to stay enough is enough as we have let enough in. I'm currently getting the bus to travel in Bristol to work etc.. due to a lack of car,and I'm shocked by how much we as a city has changed in the past year or two. I got on the bus a week ago and out of maybe 15 or people so on it, I was honestly the only white English person there.This was travelling from town to east bristol. I'm not sat on the bus thinking racist slurs, but rather our culture is slowly being erased and our country being taken over,as it is. Look at the uprising in reform here, France and across Europe and even the USA.Thats not just racist f**ks rising up, but normal people who have been welcoming but are now saying that's enough as,the immigrations are taking over our nations. You knocked me about a link I put up on here a few days ago about our new justice Minister,or whatever her title is called being another Muslim PM. At what point 20 years ago,hell even 5 years ago could you have named 5 Muslims in office here? I willing to suggest that you couldn't. But we do now do from the highest level,to the bottom.And Im sorry they do no have the natives of this country best wishes at heart.
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Post by aghast on Jul 8, 2024 18:44:45 GMT
This section of the forum is quite a place isn't it?
Not sure if it's entertaining or just really sad.
Still, we can change that.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 18:57:37 GMT
This section of the forum is quite a place isn't it? Not sure if it's entertaining or just really sad. Still, we can change that. I am on the "sad" side of this Aghast. Some people's views beggar belief
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 19:24:01 GMT
Shock horror some people think differently to me !!!!!! The thing is if you live in a bubble and only mix with people who think the same way as you do it probably is a shock,i have lead a pretty varied life and met loads of different types of people and travelled around Europe so I know that people have different thoughts and views. I remember the first time I experienced racism as a kid and how shocked I was, another time being a witness to casual racism where the bloke who made an inadvertent and stupid racist comment was so upset with himself afterwards, sectarianism seen that to a frightening degree. I remember being in Germany about 20 years ago, there was a coach from the NPD with a poster in the back window that I didnt understand,a friend translated it for me 'today you are tolerant,tomorrow you will be a foreigner in your own country'...that was well before the big immigration wave in 2015...today Toni Kroos says that he doesnt recognise Germany and he is glad that he lives in Spain so that his daughter is safer. Have heard plenty of black and mixed race friends and acquaintances making comments about to many immigrants coming here, a mixed race lad that I worked with told me that he hated Somali's, a black South African woman acquaintance was negative about Somalis too. I thought that as Bristol is a multiracial society the council should have taken the decision to remove Colstons statue and put it in the museum decades ago,a lot of bad feeling would have been stopped. The problem in the future is going to be a kind of self apartheid by various groups of people who refuse to integrate,sad really but you cant make people mix, in my immediate neighbourhood we have a Serb,Hungarian,Jamaican with mixed race kids,Irish and there are no problems about race or ethnicity...parking of course is a different matter.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 19:37:53 GMT
In 1968, when Powell made the "Rivers of Blood" speech, do you think those that he targeted have since "integrated"?
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 19:49:28 GMT
In 1968, when Powell made the "Rivers of Blood" speech, do you think those that he targeted have since "integrated"? Some people do integrate into a multiracial society some dont want to and stick with their own,that can be down to where they live. I see it in different gyms with a different ethnic make up, its made pretty obvious that some people just want to be with people like themselves,its not a problem just a fact of life.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 19:50:57 GMT
In 1968, when Powell made the "Rivers of Blood" speech, do you think those that he targeted have since "integrated"? It's about time somebody put this EP speech up on here,the script,not a recording because I don't think it's as the Left have stated all these years. Could someone put the script up please, maybe on a thread of it's own,to be debated?
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 19:59:32 GMT
Sadly there have been many 'rivers of blood' Manchester arena (the bombing of the innocents) London bridge, various tube trains and buses etc etc
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Post by aghast on Jul 8, 2024 20:08:34 GMT
Sadly there have been many 'rivers of blood' Manchester arena (the bombing of the innocents) London bridge, various tube trains and buses etc etc Those incidents were nothing to do with UK immigration though, were they? They were about the US/UK and the West's involvement in Middle Eastern/Islamic affairs, rightly or wrongly. Powell's speech was purely about UK immigration, so your examples are irrelevant.
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 20:15:07 GMT
Sadly there have been many 'rivers of blood' Manchester arena (the bombing of the innocents) London bridge, various tube trains and buses etc etc Those incidents were nothing to do with UK immigration though, were they? They were about the US/UK and the West's involvement in Middle Eastern/Islamic affairs, rightly or wrongly. Powell's speech was purely about UK immigration, so your examples are irrelevant. Well how did the perpetrators of those crimes get here if it wasnt through immigration ? When you say "rightly or wrongly" can you explain what you mean ?
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 8, 2024 20:25:28 GMT
In 1968, when Powell made the "Rivers of Blood" speech, do you think those that he targeted have since "integrated"? It's about time somebody put this EP speech up on here,the script,not a recording because I don't think it's as the Left have stated all these years. Could someone put the script up please, maybe on a thread of it's own,to be debated? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech
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Post by aghast on Jul 8, 2024 20:29:08 GMT
Those incidents were nothing to do with UK immigration though, were they? They were about the US/UK and the West's involvement in Middle Eastern/Islamic affairs, rightly or wrongly. Powell's speech was purely about UK immigration, so your examples are irrelevant. Well how did the perpetrators of those crimes get here if it wasnt through immigration ? When you say "rightly or wrongly" can you explain what you mean ? But those acts were not caused by immigration. The fact some or most of the people were living here is not the point. The attacks in France and elsewhere were not caused by immigration. It was the bigger picture of Western/Islamic relations that led up to those acts being committed. And by rightly or wrongly, I mean that there are two views. The West was right to intervene in Islamic regimes, or they should not have been involved. Either way, that's not the point. This is about the comment that there have been many rivers of blood, but Powell was not discussing international terrorism. For what it's worth, I condemn all terrorism committed in the name of Islam.
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 20:35:32 GMT
Well the people who committed the crimes were immigrants or the sons of immigrants so you cant ignore that immigration was a factor in the terrible events.
I am glad that you condemn the terrorism committed in the name of Islam, I agree and I will go further and say that I condemn all terrorist bombings.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 21:12:19 GMT
Well the people who committed the crimes were immigrants or the sons of immigrants so you cant ignore that immigration was a factor in the terrible events. I am glad that you condemn the terrorism committed in the name of Islam, I agree and I will go further and say that I condemn all terrorist bombings. But if anyone objected to our involvement in the Middle East, with all it's horror, it wouldn't matter if they were immigrants or not. They objected and that objection, in it's most extreme form, justified to them the most horrendous violence. The question I have always asked, in trying to understand such violence, was the violence perpetrated upon us in this country, worse than the violence we perpetrated upon them in theirs? The answer was never comfortable.
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