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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 13:58:07 GMT
Absolutely We can't have criminal gangs exploiting refugees by shipping them onto our beaches on life threatening journeys. We should be all over this, it's an act of grotesque criminality. But what it is not, is mass immigration. Hopefully they will choke off the people smugglers, deal with the horrendous backlog accumulated by the previous lot and then deal with the poor refugees at closest to the point of origin as possible. Economic migrants that we decide don't want can be shifted out at that point Ar'nt the gangs based in Turkey? I can't see Labour smashing them up. Labours first lot of bulls**tters arrived by boat from across the Channel today. Are they?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 14:21:13 GMT
Reform would'nt let the students bring their families. That's about £4 billion saved then. . But, the £41 billion gross? Sorry Oldie, but this figure of 41 billion seems to be a finger in the sky number.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 14:21:53 GMT
. But, the £41 billion gross? Sorry Oldie, but this figure of 41 billion seems to be a finger in the sky number. No I pulled it from a report...
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 14:24:58 GMT
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 14:27:32 GMT
The new government seem to be putting in a lot of effort over something, that you claim, is not happening.... "Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has today set out the first steps to establishing a new UK Border Security Command (BSC). From: Home Office and The Rt Hon Yvette Cooper MP Published 7 July 2024 This will strengthen Britain’s border security and smash the criminal smuggling gangs making millions out of small boat crossings. Rapid recruitment for an exceptional leader used to working in complex and challenging environments, for example, at senior levels of policing, intelligence or the military, will kick off tomorrow (Monday 8 July), with the new recruit expected to take up their post in the coming weeks. Reporting directly to the Home Secretary, the Border Security Commander will provide strategic direction to work across agencies, drawing together the work of the National Crime Agency (NCA), intelligence agencies, police, Immigration Enforcement and Border Force, to better protect our borders and go after the smuggling gangs facilitating small boat crossings. Following the Home Secretary’s instruction, a core team in the Home Office is establishing the remit, governance and strategic direction of the new command. Early legislation is being prepared to introduce new counter terror style powers and stronger measures to tackle organised immigration crime. She has also commissioned a bespoke investigation from the department and the NCA into the latest routes, methods and tactics used by people smuggling gangs across Europe to inform a major law enforcement drive over the coming months. The BSC will draw on substantial additional resources, with work to bring in more investigators, experts and analysts to tackle organised immigration crime starting on Monday. A significant number of these will be based across Europe, working with Europol and European police forces to disrupt the activity of the criminal smuggling gangs and ensure those profiting from people smuggling are brought to justice. In a call to the Director General of the NCA, Graeme Biggar, the Home Secretary stressed the need to break the business model of the criminal smuggling gangs, going after their ability to communicate, move people across Europe and their profit. The Home Secretary will have further calls this week with European interior ministers and with the Director General of Europol to discuss strengthening security cooperation. Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, said: Criminal smuggling gangs are making millions out of small boat crossings, undermining our border security and putting lives at risk. We can’t carry on like this. We need to tackle the root of the problem, going after these dangerous criminals and bringing them to justice. The Border Security Command will be a major step change in UK enforcement efforts to tackle organised immigration crime, drawing on substantial resource to work across Europe and beyond to disrupt trafficking networks and to coordinate with prosecutors in Europe to deliver justice. Work is underway to bring in a Border Security Commander to lead this work – and we will begin recruitment on additional capacity in the National Crime Agency immediately." Absolutely We can't have criminal gangs exploiting refugees by shipping them onto our beaches on life threatening journeys. We should be all over this, it's an act of grotesque criminality. But what it is not, is mass immigration. Hopefully they will choke off the people smugglers, deal with the horrendous backlog accumulated by the previous lot and then deal with the poor refugees at closest to the point of origin as possible. Economic migrants that we decide don't want can be shifted out at that point Have you fallen for this "smash the gangs" rhetoric? This is from Cooper herself, " Criminal smuggling gangs are making millions out of small boat crossings". As soon as you stop one gang, another will spring up. It's too profitable. Don't you think the authorities have already been trying to do this? You will never 'smash the gangs' if the demand is there. " Economic migrants that we decide don't want can be shifted out at that point" - Isn't that the very policy you have been complaining about (Rwanda)? How or where will you 'shift them out'?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 14:30:53 GMT
Go on then, this is from your 'report'... "Data from the report indicate that every 11 non-EU students generate £1m worth of net economic impact for the UK economy – or £96,000 per non-EU domiciled student." - How can a Student generate 96,000 quids worth to the economy every year? How do they do that?
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 14:32:31 GMT
Why would reform have a problem with such excellence in education and making money for the UK? Students welcome,but don't bring your whole family. Immigration may be frozen for sometime under a Reform Government. This to give us a chance to successfully integrate those foreigners recently arrived and to give our infrastructure a chance to catch up as it were. To attract buyers of our higher education system after the curtailment of free movement the government of the decided to allow buyers to bring their families, predominantly wives and children. To cut that off may well lower demand and the finances of our universities are under stress in any event I imagine there are plenty of students and their families happy for the student to study alone in the UK without bringing their wives children and parents.Worlds a big place.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 14:35:52 GMT
Absolutely We can't have criminal gangs exploiting refugees by shipping them onto our beaches on life threatening journeys. We should be all over this, it's an act of grotesque criminality. But what it is not, is mass immigration. Hopefully they will choke off the people smugglers, deal with the horrendous backlog accumulated by the previous lot and then deal with the poor refugees at closest to the point of origin as possible. Economic migrants that we decide don't want can be shifted out at that point Have you fallen for this "smash the gangs" rhetoric? This is from Cooper herself, " Criminal smuggling gangs are making millions out of small boat crossings". As soon as you stop one gang, another will spring up. It's too profitable. Don't you think the authorities have already been trying to do this? You will never 'smash the gangs' if the demand is there. " Economic migrants that we decide don't want can be shifted out at that point" - Isn't that the very policy you have been complaining about (Rwanda)? How or where will you 'shift them out'? Not falling for any rhetoric Nobby, just stating what I believe
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 14:40:04 GMT
Year ending September 2023, 152,000 visas given to foreign students 'dependents '.
A rise of over 900% from a couple of years earlier.
You might think some are taking the mickey.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 14:46:51 GMT
Go on then, this is from your 'report'... "Data from the report indicate that every 11 non-EU students generate £1m worth of net economic impact for the UK economy – or £96,000 per non-EU domiciled student." - How can a Student generate 96,000 quids worth to the economy every year? How do they do that? You really want me to break this down? I don't know, but the report was widely quoted so I am guessing someone would have shot it down if it was completely wrong
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 14:53:44 GMT
First boats under Labour have arrived.
Until we leave the ECHR nothing will stop them coming.
Cooper will talk of big plans,working with European friends, the Army,the Navy,smash the gangs etc.
Then Cooper will talk about it some more.
Meanwhile the bulls**tters at Calais will be happy to see our Labour Government, no more threat of Rwanda and wait for calm weather to cross in their thousands.
Cooper may as well get her welcome sign back up again.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 15:12:18 GMT
Year ending September 2023, 152,000 visas given to foreign students 'dependents '. A rise of over 900% from a couple of years earlier. You might think some are taking the mickey. The last government and Brexiteers were doing exactly that
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 15:27:43 GMT
Year ending September 2023, 152,000 visas given to foreign students 'dependents '. A rise of over 900% from a couple of years earlier. You might think some are taking the mickey. The last government and Brexiteers were doing exactly that What on earth do "Brexiteers" have to do with this?
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 15:40:30 GMT
The last government and Brexiteers were doing exactly that What on earth do "Brexiteers" have to do with this? Good question.
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Post by aghast on Jul 8, 2024 16:15:14 GMT
First boats under Labour have arrived. Until we leave the ECHR nothing will stop them coming. Cooper will talk of big plans,working with European friends, the Army,the Navy,smash the gangs etc. Then Cooper will talk about it some more. Meanwhile the bulls**tters at Calais will be happy to see our Labour Government, no more threat of Rwanda and wait for calm weather to cross in their thousands. Cooper may as well get her welcome sign back up again. The threat of Rwanda was just that. A threat. It wasn't real, it was never going to happen and nobody believed it would. Including those proposing it. Just a bit of gung ho vote grabbing nonsense. That went well then.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 16:27:17 GMT
First boats under Labour have arrived. Until we leave the ECHR nothing will stop them coming. Cooper will talk of big plans,working with European friends, the Army,the Navy,smash the gangs etc. Then Cooper will talk about it some more. Meanwhile the bulls**tters at Calais will be happy to see our Labour Government, no more threat of Rwanda and wait for calm weather to cross in their thousands. Cooper may as well get her welcome sign back up again. The threat of Rwanda was just that. A threat. It wasn't real, it was never going to happen and nobody believed it would. Including those proposing it. Just a bit of gung ho vote grabbing nonsense. That went well then. Afraid Labours "smash the gangs" will have even less effect.Infact it will undoubtedly encourage more to cross the Channel. Labours very presence at Number Ten guarantees more to arrive by boat. Mind you,apparently the last Labour Government deported thousands. So we'll see.
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 16:33:33 GMT
Last week the BBC reported from Calais,one woman there was saying that she wouldnt attempt the crossing whilst the threat of being sent to Rwanda was in place,she was waiting until after the election....she is probably over here by now.
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Post by trymer on Jul 8, 2024 16:37:57 GMT
Universities should be made to provide accommodation for all their students throughout their time at uni,also they should have to provide Doctors and hospitals. A city like Bristol is ridiculously expensive for local people to rent houses because of the large amount of students here from 2 universities, also the NHS comes under more pressure because of the demand from thousands of students.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 16:42:00 GMT
What on earth do "Brexiteers" have to do with this? Good question. To both of you This was in the vote leave manifesto "We'll be in charge of our own borders In a world with so many new threats, it's safer to control our own borders and decide for ourselves who can come into this country, not be overrules by EU judges. We can control immigration A fairer system which welcomes people to the UK based on the skills they have, not the passport they hold." 😂😂😂 How is that going then? You were fooled
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 16:44:57 GMT
To both of you This was in the vote leave manifesto "We'll be in charge of our own borders In a world with so many new threats, it's safer to control our own borders and decide for ourselves who can come into this country, not be overrules by EU judges. We can control immigration A fairer system which welcomes people to the UK based on the skills they have, not the passport they hold." 😂😂😂 How is that going then? You were fooled Yep,the Tories did'nt keep their promises. Boris Johnson for one. Reform would do their utmost to keep their side of the contract to the people.
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