oldie
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 9:36:00 GMT
Come on Basel, these straw man arguments are tedious and silly. Nobody has the authority to ban fans from the mem other than the exec team there and why would they. The rise of woke is a national threat. Oh dear
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 9:42:57 GMT
The rise of woke is a national threat. Oh dear Oh yes and quite clearly so.
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Post by icegas on Jul 8, 2024 9:46:24 GMT
I don't see skin colour, and it's wrong to imply racism because you disagree with an different point of view to anyone else.
"You are a racist" isn't an argument.
"Your are a fascist" isn't an argument.
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Don't you get it? Immigration can be good, but people coming in illegally and overtake our culture is not. It's very simple!!
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Post by icegas on Jul 8, 2024 9:54:33 GMT
The lunatic French culture hating Islamists will be happy. What a mess! Then Labour will be welcoming more illegals on boats. A great week for the left in Europe . Rejoice 😃👍 Oh... the dictatorship has spread to here I see.. Greta got arrested the other day, the silly billy..
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 12:10:06 GMT
I don't see skin colour, and it's wrong to imply racism because you disagree with an different point of view to anyone else. "You are a racist" isn't an argument. "Your are a fascist" isn't an argument. .... Don't you get it? Immigration can be good, but people coming in illegally and overtake our culture is not. It's very simple!! I would agree. But the part of the equation you are missing is that the government have been issuing 1.4 million work/study visas annually over the last couple of years. That's not illegal immigration that's government supported migration.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 12:12:43 GMT
I don't see skin colour, and it's wrong to imply racism because you disagree with an different point of view to anyone else. "You are a racist" isn't an argument. "Your are a fascist" isn't an argument. .... Don't you get it? Immigration can be good, but people coming in illegally and overtake our culture is not. It's very simple!! I would agree. But the part of the equation you are missing is that the government have been issuing 1.4 million work/study visas annually over the last couple of years. That's not illegal immigration that's government supported migration. and that is one of the reasons their vote share collapsed!
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 12:37:00 GMT
I would agree. But the part of the equation you are missing is that the government have been issuing 1.4 million work/study visas annually over the last couple of years. That's not illegal immigration that's government supported migration. and that is one of the reasons their vote share collapsed! Perhaps But why do people insist on calling it illegal migration (Reform were peddling this lie as well), when it has been no such thing?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 12:50:03 GMT
and that is one of the reasons their vote share collapsed! Perhaps But why do people insist on calling it illegal migration (Reform were peddling this lie as well), when it has been no such thing? There is a huge amount of illegal migration. Have you not seen the numbers arriving on a daily basis via the small boats from France? Yes, the legal migration numbers are too high, and so are the illegal numbers. You keep making the same mistake by lumping all migration together. Let's see what the Labour plan is eh? Should be interesting.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 13:00:32 GMT
Perhaps But why do people insist on calling it illegal migration (Reform were peddling this lie as well), when it has been no such thing? There is a huge amount of illegal migration. Have you not seen the numbers arriving on a daily basis via the small boats from France? Yes, the legal migration numbers are too high, and so are the illegal numbers. You keep making the same mistake by lumping all migration together. Let's see what the Labour plan is eh? Should be interesting. Not really Nobby. There were circa 30,000 by boat crossing in 2023 compared with 1.4 million visas issued. In numerical terms there is no relationship. There is no mass illegal migration, it's just exaggeration for political gain and dilutes a genuine discussion as to why are we having to grant those numbers of visas.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 13:05:42 GMT
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 13:12:07 GMT
I think it ridiculous over seas students, studying in the UK,can bring their family along too.
That piece of nonsense could stop.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 13:24:06 GMT
I think it ridiculous over seas students, studying in the UK,can bring their family along too. That piece of nonsense could stop. Perhaps I believe that is on the cards. However "A recent study showed that international students starting their studies in 2020/21 would generate up to £41.9 billion for the UK economy. This is compared to the estimated £4.4 billion it costs the UK to host them and any dependents they may have. This implies a net benefit of £37.4 billion for the UK economy" What policies do Reform argue for that would generate £37.4billion net to our economy? Just to ensure the message hits home, these are not illegal immigrants and many of them may well be Muslim. Shock and horror. 😂
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 8, 2024 13:30:51 GMT
There is a huge amount of illegal migration. Have you not seen the numbers arriving on a daily basis via the small boats from France? Yes, the legal migration numbers are too high, and so are the illegal numbers. You keep making the same mistake by lumping all migration together. Let's see what the Labour plan is eh? Should be interesting. Not really Nobby. There were circa 30,000 by boat crossing in 2023 compared with 1.4 million visas issued. In numerical terms there is no relationship. There is no mass illegal migration, it's just exaggeration for political gain and dilutes a genuine discussion as to why are we having to grant those numbers of visas.The new government seem to be putting in a lot of effort over something, that you claim, is not happening.... "Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has today set out the first steps to establishing a new UK Border Security Command (BSC). From: Home Office and The Rt Hon Yvette Cooper MP Published 7 July 2024 This will strengthen Britain’s border security and smash the criminal smuggling gangs making millions out of small boat crossings. Rapid recruitment for an exceptional leader used to working in complex and challenging environments, for example, at senior levels of policing, intelligence or the military, will kick off tomorrow (Monday 8 July), with the new recruit expected to take up their post in the coming weeks. Reporting directly to the Home Secretary, the Border Security Commander will provide strategic direction to work across agencies, drawing together the work of the National Crime Agency (NCA), intelligence agencies, police, Immigration Enforcement and Border Force, to better protect our borders and go after the smuggling gangs facilitating small boat crossings. Following the Home Secretary’s instruction, a core team in the Home Office is establishing the remit, governance and strategic direction of the new command. Early legislation is being prepared to introduce new counter terror style powers and stronger measures to tackle organised immigration crime. She has also commissioned a bespoke investigation from the department and the NCA into the latest routes, methods and tactics used by people smuggling gangs across Europe to inform a major law enforcement drive over the coming months. The BSC will draw on substantial additional resources, with work to bring in more investigators, experts and analysts to tackle organised immigration crime starting on Monday. A significant number of these will be based across Europe, working with Europol and European police forces to disrupt the activity of the criminal smuggling gangs and ensure those profiting from people smuggling are brought to justice. In a call to the Director General of the NCA, Graeme Biggar, the Home Secretary stressed the need to break the business model of the criminal smuggling gangs, going after their ability to communicate, move people across Europe and their profit. The Home Secretary will have further calls this week with European interior ministers and with the Director General of Europol to discuss strengthening security cooperation. Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, said: Criminal smuggling gangs are making millions out of small boat crossings, undermining our border security and putting lives at risk. We can’t carry on like this. We need to tackle the root of the problem, going after these dangerous criminals and bringing them to justice. The Border Security Command will be a major step change in UK enforcement efforts to tackle organised immigration crime, drawing on substantial resource to work across Europe and beyond to disrupt trafficking networks and to coordinate with prosecutors in Europe to deliver justice. Work is underway to bring in a Border Security Commander to lead this work – and we will begin recruitment on additional capacity in the National Crime Agency immediately."
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 13:33:20 GMT
I think it ridiculous over seas students, studying in the UK,can bring their family along too. That piece of nonsense could stop. Perhaps I believe that is on the cards. However "A recent study showed that international students starting their studies in 2020/21 would generate up to £41.9 billion for the UK economy. This is compared to the estimated £4.4 billion it costs the UK to host them and any dependents they may have. This implies a net benefit of £37.4 billion for the UK economy" What policies do Reform argue for that would generate £37.4billion net to our economy? Just to ensure the message hits home, these are not illegal immigrants and many of them may well be Muslim. Shock and horror. 😂 Reform would'nt let the students bring their families. That's about £4 billion saved then.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 13:38:05 GMT
Not really Nobby. There were circa 30,000 by boat crossing in 2023 compared with 1.4 million visas issued. In numerical terms there is no relationship. There is no mass illegal migration, it's just exaggeration for political gain and dilutes a genuine discussion as to why are we having to grant those numbers of visas.The new government seem to be putting in a lot of effort over something, that you claim, is not happening.... "Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has today set out the first steps to establishing a new UK Border Security Command (BSC). From: Home Office and The Rt Hon Yvette Cooper MP Published 7 July 2024 This will strengthen Britain’s border security and smash the criminal smuggling gangs making millions out of small boat crossings. Rapid recruitment for an exceptional leader used to working in complex and challenging environments, for example, at senior levels of policing, intelligence or the military, will kick off tomorrow (Monday 8 July), with the new recruit expected to take up their post in the coming weeks. Reporting directly to the Home Secretary, the Border Security Commander will provide strategic direction to work across agencies, drawing together the work of the National Crime Agency (NCA), intelligence agencies, police, Immigration Enforcement and Border Force, to better protect our borders and go after the smuggling gangs facilitating small boat crossings. Following the Home Secretary’s instruction, a core team in the Home Office is establishing the remit, governance and strategic direction of the new command. Early legislation is being prepared to introduce new counter terror style powers and stronger measures to tackle organised immigration crime. She has also commissioned a bespoke investigation from the department and the NCA into the latest routes, methods and tactics used by people smuggling gangs across Europe to inform a major law enforcement drive over the coming months. The BSC will draw on substantial additional resources, with work to bring in more investigators, experts and analysts to tackle organised immigration crime starting on Monday. A significant number of these will be based across Europe, working with Europol and European police forces to disrupt the activity of the criminal smuggling gangs and ensure those profiting from people smuggling are brought to justice. In a call to the Director General of the NCA, Graeme Biggar, the Home Secretary stressed the need to break the business model of the criminal smuggling gangs, going after their ability to communicate, move people across Europe and their profit. The Home Secretary will have further calls this week with European interior ministers and with the Director General of Europol to discuss strengthening security cooperation. Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, said: Criminal smuggling gangs are making millions out of small boat crossings, undermining our border security and putting lives at risk. We can’t carry on like this. We need to tackle the root of the problem, going after these dangerous criminals and bringing them to justice. The Border Security Command will be a major step change in UK enforcement efforts to tackle organised immigration crime, drawing on substantial resource to work across Europe and beyond to disrupt trafficking networks and to coordinate with prosecutors in Europe to deliver justice. Work is underway to bring in a Border Security Commander to lead this work – and we will begin recruitment on additional capacity in the National Crime Agency immediately." Absolutely We can't have criminal gangs exploiting refugees by shipping them onto our beaches on life threatening journeys. We should be all over this, it's an act of grotesque criminality. But what it is not, is mass immigration. Hopefully they will choke off the people smugglers, deal with the horrendous backlog accumulated by the previous lot and then deal with the poor refugees at closest to the point of origin as possible. Economic migrants that we decide don't want can be shifted out at that point
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 13:38:55 GMT
Perhaps I believe that is on the cards. However "A recent study showed that international students starting their studies in 2020/21 would generate up to £41.9 billion for the UK economy. This is compared to the estimated £4.4 billion it costs the UK to host them and any dependents they may have. This implies a net benefit of £37.4 billion for the UK economy" What policies do Reform argue for that would generate £37.4billion net to our economy? Just to ensure the message hits home, these are not illegal immigrants and many of them may well be Muslim. Shock and horror. 😂 Reform would'nt let the students bring their families. That's about £4 billion saved then. . But, the £41 billion gross?
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 13:41:12 GMT
5 MPs were elected on an antisemitic, pro Palestine ticket.
We've imported sectarian politics.
Jess Phillips,part of the Government reported threats from the pro Palestine people ,men screaming in her face and I think there were car tyres slashed too.This when canvassing.
She claimed it was because they were "men".
So even when scum Islamists act this way,Labour will not criticise Muslims and Islam.
The Government are a f****** joke.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 13:44:26 GMT
Reform would'nt let the students bring their families. That's about £4 billion saved then. . But, the £41 billion gross? Why would reform have a problem with such excellence in education and making money for the UK? Students welcome,but don't bring your whole family. Immigration may be frozen for sometime under a Reform Government. This to give us a chance to successfully integrate those foreigners recently arrived and to give our infrastructure a chance to catch up as it were.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 8, 2024 13:55:15 GMT
The new government seem to be putting in a lot of effort over something, that you claim, is not happening.... "Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has today set out the first steps to establishing a new UK Border Security Command (BSC). From: Home Office and The Rt Hon Yvette Cooper MP Published 7 July 2024 This will strengthen Britain’s border security and smash the criminal smuggling gangs making millions out of small boat crossings. Rapid recruitment for an exceptional leader used to working in complex and challenging environments, for example, at senior levels of policing, intelligence or the military, will kick off tomorrow (Monday 8 July), with the new recruit expected to take up their post in the coming weeks. Reporting directly to the Home Secretary, the Border Security Commander will provide strategic direction to work across agencies, drawing together the work of the National Crime Agency (NCA), intelligence agencies, police, Immigration Enforcement and Border Force, to better protect our borders and go after the smuggling gangs facilitating small boat crossings. Following the Home Secretary’s instruction, a core team in the Home Office is establishing the remit, governance and strategic direction of the new command. Early legislation is being prepared to introduce new counter terror style powers and stronger measures to tackle organised immigration crime. She has also commissioned a bespoke investigation from the department and the NCA into the latest routes, methods and tactics used by people smuggling gangs across Europe to inform a major law enforcement drive over the coming months. The BSC will draw on substantial additional resources, with work to bring in more investigators, experts and analysts to tackle organised immigration crime starting on Monday. A significant number of these will be based across Europe, working with Europol and European police forces to disrupt the activity of the criminal smuggling gangs and ensure those profiting from people smuggling are brought to justice. In a call to the Director General of the NCA, Graeme Biggar, the Home Secretary stressed the need to break the business model of the criminal smuggling gangs, going after their ability to communicate, move people across Europe and their profit. The Home Secretary will have further calls this week with European interior ministers and with the Director General of Europol to discuss strengthening security cooperation. Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, said: Criminal smuggling gangs are making millions out of small boat crossings, undermining our border security and putting lives at risk. We can’t carry on like this. We need to tackle the root of the problem, going after these dangerous criminals and bringing them to justice. The Border Security Command will be a major step change in UK enforcement efforts to tackle organised immigration crime, drawing on substantial resource to work across Europe and beyond to disrupt trafficking networks and to coordinate with prosecutors in Europe to deliver justice. Work is underway to bring in a Border Security Commander to lead this work – and we will begin recruitment on additional capacity in the National Crime Agency immediately." Absolutely We can't have criminal gangs exploiting refugees by shipping them onto our beaches on life threatening journeys. We should be all over this, it's an act of grotesque criminality. But what it is not, is mass immigration. Hopefully they will choke off the people smugglers, deal with the horrendous backlog accumulated by the previous lot and then deal with the poor refugees at closest to the point of origin as possible. Economic migrants that we decide don't want can be shifted out at that point Ar'nt the gangs based in Turkey? I can't see Labour smashing them up. Labours first lot of bulls**tters arrived by boat from across the Channel today.
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2024 13:57:16 GMT
. But, the £41 billion gross? Why would reform have a problem with such excellence in education and making money for the UK? Students welcome,but don't bring your whole family. Immigration may be frozen for sometime under a Reform Government. This to give us a chance to successfully integrate those foreigners recently arrived and to give our infrastructure a chance to catch up as it were. To attract buyers of our higher education system after the curtailment of free movement the government of the decided to allow buyers to bring their families, predominantly wives and children. To cut that off may well lower demand and the finances of our universities are under stress in any event
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