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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 6, 2024 12:07:40 GMT
PMQ's about to start with the first time the new Tory leader is up. No questions are being allowed from Reform again.
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Post by Icegas on Nov 6, 2024 12:15:47 GMT
He`s not going to be happy is he, Bas? He`ll get through a keyboard a week, for the next four years. More interested in the dynamics of this defeat. Nobby is spot on about the polls, how many times have they been so badly wrong now. I am guilty of listening to them as well over the years. Listened to a Democrat Congressman and strategist on R4 this morning and they agreed the democrats made a strategic mistake. It was not enough to just not be a moron, but their candidate had to offer a clear vision for the country. She did not. They did say however she was hamstrung by her current role in the Biden administration. One where the progress made, economically post pandemic has not filtered down to lower income groups, groups hardest hit by inflation. Where have we heard that before. A dark day for those who believe social liberalism and free markets. We now are to witness a leader of a party which has become totally illiberal and the leader himself who believes in simplistic economic nationalism. Batten down the hatches and ride it out. Democracy...who would have itđ¤đ Eh, the USA...?
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 6, 2024 12:19:03 GMT
Starmer is crashing at PMQ's. His answer to any question is "fixing the foundations, 22 billion black hole, pay rises". It is tiresome and this tactic will backfire (if it hasn't already).
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Post by Icegas on Nov 6, 2024 12:33:43 GMT
Starmer is crashing at PMQ's. His answer to any question is "fixing the foundations, 22 billion black hole, pay rises". It is tiresome and this tactic will backfire (if it hasn't already). I hope,and pray that the new historical president is going to crush Starmer into submission.
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Post by Icegas on Nov 6, 2024 13:37:49 GMT
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Post by oldie on Nov 6, 2024 13:41:14 GMT
Starmer is crashing at PMQ's. His answer to any question is "fixing the foundations, 22 billion black hole, pay rises". It is tiresome and this tactic will backfire (if it hasn't already). I hope,and pray that the new historical president is going to crush Starmer into submission. wot about 'are sovrinty? We didn't leave the EU just to have individual rights trodden on by America...
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Post by Icegas on Nov 6, 2024 14:54:52 GMT
I hope,and pray that the new historical president is going to crush Starmer into submission. wot about 'are sovrinty? We didn't leave the EU just to have individual rights trodden on by America... You lot gave up "our" sovrnity after your reaction post Brexit. Starmers actions this summer confirmed the dictatorship,that we live under is no better than North Korea,Iran, or Russia. It's just you lot the are the dictatorship, and I was born here. Trump's back. I always thought from my experiences that the Yanks were stupid.But they are not...They listened, and then they called you out on your Bulls**t last night! Trump's back f**kers... x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1854104310822412509?t=s6kZFLvLhRgNMdRR6tTUkQ&s=19
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Post by Icegas on Nov 6, 2024 15:06:38 GMT
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Post by baldrick on Nov 6, 2024 15:11:46 GMT
wot about 'are sovrinty? We didn't leave the EU just to have individual rights trodden on by America... You lot gave up "our" sovrnity after your reaction post Brexit. Starmers actions this summer confirmed the dictatorship,that we live under is no better than North Korea,Iran, or Russia. It's just you lot the are the dictatorship, and I was born here. Trump's back. I always thought from my experiences that the Yanks were stupid.But they are not...They listened, and then they called you out on your Bulls**t last night! Trump's back f**kers... x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1854104310822412509?t=s6kZFLvLhRgNMdRR6tTUkQ&s=19 "Starmers actions this summer confirmed the dictatorship,that we live under is no better than North Korea,Iran, or Russia. It's just you lot the are the dictatorship, and I was born here." Bit of an overreaction. I get you don't like him but we are a long way off that comparison.
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Post by Icegas on Nov 6, 2024 15:14:29 GMT
You lot gave up "our" sovrnity after your reaction post Brexit. Starmers actions this summer confirmed the dictatorship,that we live under is no better than North Korea,Iran, or Russia. It's just you lot the are the dictatorship, and I was born here. Trump's back. I always thought from my experiences that the Yanks were stupid.But they are not...They listened, and then they called you out on your Bulls**t last night! Trump's back f**kers... x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1854104310822412509?t=s6kZFLvLhRgNMdRR6tTUkQ&s=19 "Starmers actions this summer confirmed the dictatorship,that we live under is no better than North Korea,Iran, or Russia. It's just you lot the are the dictatorship, and I was born here." Bit of an overreaction. I get you don't like him but we are a long way off that comparison. So we should trust any of your opinions given what you about Trump? You leftie, lying Bullies are toast. You don't have any substance now its over. He is Finished.
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Post by baldrick on Nov 6, 2024 15:17:37 GMT
"Starmers actions this summer confirmed the dictatorship,that we live under is no better than North Korea,Iran, or Russia. It's just you lot the are the dictatorship, and I was born here." Bit of an overreaction. I get you don't like him but we are a long way off that comparison. So we should trust any of your opinions given what you about Trump? You leftie, lying Bullies are toast. You don't have any substance now its over. He is Finished. What have I said about Trump that's controversial? You've agreed with me in the past about his possible reaction to Ukraine. Am I guilty by association?
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Post by Icegas on Nov 6, 2024 15:42:16 GMT
So we should trust any of your opinions given what you about Trump? You leftie, lying Bullies are toast. You don't have any substance now its over. He is Finished. What have I said about Trump that's controversial? You've agreed with me in the past about his possible reaction to Ukraine. Am I guilty by association? Sorry,it wasn't meant to be a personal attack.I meant the leftie liars.The True Fascists! Those of them on here....along with the lying politicians and the left wing media... Trump is Hitler.A racist. The evidence of the American population proves that they believe otherwise. All lies. See there's apart of me that wants to jump with joy thats he won,and rub it in the liars faces.. But I'm not going to as this isn't a tribunal victory for me, but one of common sense,morals and intelligence. This isn't like Rovers vs City, this was the diffence between life and WW3. I'm glad that I always stood on the side of one of the most important and impressive politicians and of all time, which he is. Again - happy TRUMP DAY!
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Post by baldrick on Nov 6, 2024 15:52:04 GMT
What have I said about Trump that's controversial? You've agreed with me in the past about his possible reaction to Ukraine. Am I guilty by association? Sorry,it wasn't meant to be a personal attack.I meant the leftie liars.The True Fascists! Those of them on here....along with the lying politicians and the left wing media... Trump is Hitler.A racist. The evidence of the American population proves that they believe otherwise. All lies. See there's apart of me that wants to jump with joy thats he won,and rub it in the liars faces.. But I'm not going to as this isn't a tribunal victory for me, but one of common sense,morals and intelligence. This isn't like Rovers vs City, this was the diffence between life and WW3. I'm glad that I always stood on the side of one of the most important and impressive politicians and of all time, which he is. Again - happy TRUMP DAY! Fine, that's good. You'll forgive me though for thinking the opposite, that he'll cause more harm than good internationally. Something we've covered before so isn't a surprise. I don't share your optmism but would be happy to be proven wrong in 4 years.
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 6, 2024 16:13:31 GMT
I think this is pretty much spot on......
"This is what happens. This is what happens when you ignore what millions of ordinary people have been saying for much of the last decade. This is what happens when instead of addressing their concerns you jam even more mass immigration, broken borders, social disorder, woke policies, gender madness, soft-on-crime policies, high taxes, regulation, and cultural chaos down their throats. This is what happens when instead of treating your fellow citizens with respect you choose to berate them, once again, like you did in 2016, as âNazisâ, âfascistsâ, âMAGA extremistsâ, âinsurrectionistsâ, âgarbageâ, and more. This is what happens when the only people who refuse to acknowledge that most voters do not want to live in a world with open borders, mass migration, soft-on-crime policies, high taxes, restrictions on free speech, forever wars, and the sexualisation of our children happen to be the very people who control our institutions. This is what happens when you allow our public, taxpayer-funded institutions, from universities to schools, to be hijacked and taken over by radical ideologues who use their power to impose a stifling, unscientific, and deeply divisive woke agenda on everybody else, including our families and children. This is what happens when you use the legacy media, and the creative and cultural industries, to try and radically reframe the national story, telling ordinary people who love their nation that they should be ashamed and embarrassed of the very things that make them a people âtheir shared sense of history, identity, culture, and ways of life. This is what happens when you ignore how the White, Hispanic, Latino, and African American working-class have been completely clobbered on two sides at the same timeâby a rampant hyper-globalisation that saw global firms offshore jobs to exploit cheap migrant labour overseas, and by a radicalising elite class that simultaneously ushered into Western economies masses of cheap migrant labour through illegal and legal migration to satisfy their own sense of moral righteousness. This is what happens, Democrats, when you endlessly persecute and prosecute a former president, stage a coup against an incumbent president, replace that president with somebody who has no public mandate, talk openly about changing the rules that govern the Supreme Court, use your friends in big tech to suppress free speech, call anybody and everybody who dares voice a different opinion a âNaziâ and then wail endlessly about âthreats to democracyâ. This is what happens when instead of recognising that the true source of power, legitimacy, and authority lies with the people you transfer these things away from the people below to unelected courts, judges, companies, supranational bodies, and the âexpertâ class, almost all of whom are utterly disconnected from ordinary people. This is what happens when you treat normal people who are asking entirely legitimate questions about what is happening to their country, their home, like idiots, dismissing their questions as âmisinformationâ and âdisinformationâ while hiding information from them and using biased experts to endorse âofficially approved narrativesâ. This is what happens when instead of tolerating opinions, beliefs, and views you do not like you make no secret of the fact that you want to censor, restrict or shut down platforms that do give voice to the Forgotten Majority. This is what happens, British conservatives, when instead of leaning into the political realignment that is still unfolding across the Western world you turn away from it, treating millions of working-class, non-graduate, and culturally conservative voters from the small towns and rural areas with complete and utter contempt. And, ultimately, this is what happens when instead of learning from the lessons of 2016, from Trump 1, and the continuing rise of national populism across the West, you instead choose to double down on your side and say to hell with everybody else. This. This is what happens."
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Post by Icegas on Nov 6, 2024 16:29:35 GMT
Sorry,it wasn't meant to be a personal attack.I meant the leftie liars.The True Fascists! Those of them on here....along with the lying politicians and the left wing media... Trump is Hitler.A racist. The evidence of the American population proves that they believe otherwise. All lies. See there's apart of me that wants to jump with joy thats he won,and rub it in the liars faces.. But I'm not going to as this isn't a tribunal victory for me, but one of common sense,morals and intelligence. This isn't like Rovers vs City, this was the diffence between life and WW3. I'm glad that I always stood on the side of one of the most important and impressive politicians and of all time, which he is. Again - happy TRUMP DAY! Fine, that's good. You'll forgive me though for thinking the opposite, that he'll cause more harm than good internationally. Something we've covered before so isn't a surprise. I don't share your optmism but would be happy to be proven wrong in 4 years. Respect to you Balrick. Your entitled to your opinion, but Trump has 4 years worth of past history to prove that he will not do any harm internationally. Anyone please prove otherwise? And remember, his haters have lost all credibility in the last 24hrs based on their lies. He will tell Putin come to the peacetable, otherwise he will help Ukraine bomb the s**t of him,and Putin 100% will. War over. He will then stop the flow of money that Biden gave Iran on his first day. Rocket man is f**ked already as of today so - Problem already solved. ... My genuine worry is, yes Trump has won...great from my point of view. But Biden/ and now a angry Harris/ Democrats are still in power, surrounded by their career warmongers for another two months! Something major could happen between now and Trump celebration day part two in January,and it's a very real concern of mine. If there is a deep state, they will show up in the next 60 odd days.
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Post by baldrick on Nov 6, 2024 16:32:59 GMT
I think this is pretty much spot on...... "This is what happens. This is what happens when you ignore what millions of ordinary people have been saying for much of the last decade. This is what happens when instead of addressing their concerns you jam even more mass immigration, broken borders, social disorder, woke policies, gender madness, soft-on-crime policies, high taxes, regulation, and cultural chaos down their throats. This is what happens when instead of treating your fellow citizens with respect you choose to berate them, once again, like you did in 2016, as âNazisâ, âfascistsâ, âMAGA extremistsâ, âinsurrectionistsâ, âgarbageâ, and more. This is what happens when the only people who refuse to acknowledge that most voters do not want to live in a world with open borders, mass migration, soft-on-crime policies, high taxes, restrictions on free speech, forever wars, and the sexualisation of our children happen to be the very people who control our institutions. This is what happens when you allow our public, taxpayer-funded institutions, from universities to schools, to be hijacked and taken over by radical ideologues who use their power to impose a stifling, unscientific, and deeply divisive woke agenda on everybody else, including our families and children. This is what happens when you use the legacy media, and the creative and cultural industries, to try and radically reframe the national story, telling ordinary people who love their nation that they should be ashamed and embarrassed of the very things that make them a people âtheir shared sense of history, identity, culture, and ways of life. This is what happens when you ignore how the White, Hispanic, Latino, and African American working-class have been completely clobbered on two sides at the same timeâby a rampant hyper-globalisation that saw global firms offshore jobs to exploit cheap migrant labour overseas, and by a radicalising elite class that simultaneously ushered into Western economies masses of cheap migrant labour through illegal and legal migration to satisfy their own sense of moral righteousness. This is what happens, Democrats, when you endlessly persecute and prosecute a former president, stage a coup against an incumbent president, replace that president with somebody who has no public mandate, talk openly about changing the rules that govern the Supreme Court, use your friends in big tech to suppress free speech, call anybody and everybody who dares voice a different opinion a âNaziâ and then wail endlessly about âthreats to democracyâ. This is what happens when instead of recognising that the true source of power, legitimacy, and authority lies with the people you transfer these things away from the people below to unelected courts, judges, companies, supranational bodies, and the âexpertâ class, almost all of whom are utterly disconnected from ordinary people. This is what happens when you treat normal people who are asking entirely legitimate questions about what is happening to their country, their home, like idiots, dismissing their questions as âmisinformationâ and âdisinformationâ while hiding information from them and using biased experts to endorse âofficially approved narrativesâ. This is what happens when instead of tolerating opinions, beliefs, and views you do not like you make no secret of the fact that you want to censor, restrict or shut down platforms that do give voice to the Forgotten Majority. This is what happens, British conservatives, when instead of leaning into the political realignment that is still unfolding across the Western world you turn away from it, treating millions of working-class, non-graduate, and culturally conservative voters from the small towns and rural areas with complete and utter contempt. And, ultimately, this is what happens when instead of learning from the lessons of 2016, from Trump 1, and the continuing rise of national populism across the West, you instead choose to double down on your side and say to hell with everybody else. This. This is what happens." Lots of hyperbole but some good points we'd do well to heed. Who wrote it?
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Post by baldrick on Nov 6, 2024 16:40:30 GMT
Fine, that's good. You'll forgive me though for thinking the opposite, that he'll cause more harm than good internationally. Something we've covered before so isn't a surprise. I don't share your optmism but would be happy to be proven wrong in 4 years. Respect to you Balrick. Your entitled to your opinion, but Trump has 4 years worth of past history to prove that he will not do any harm internationally. Anyone please prove otherwise? And remember, his haters have lost all credibility in the last 24hrs based on their lies. He will tell Putin come to the peacetable, otherwise he will help Ukraine bomb the s**t of him,and Putin 100% will. War over. He will then stop the flow of money that Biden gave Iran on his first day. Rocket man is f**ked already as of today so - Problem already solved. ... My genuine worry is, yes Trump has won...great from my point of view. But Biden/ and now a angry Harris/ Democrats are still in power, surrounded by their career warmongers for another two months! Something major could happen between now and Trump celebration day part two in January,and it's a very real concern of mine. If there is a deep state, they will show up in the next 60 odd days. Thanks. My worries are based on Vance being on record as saying things will be frozen, which will suit Putin. He'll effectively be the winner and it'll embolden other like minded autocratic regimes. He'll back Netanyahu meaning the sore of Palestine will be unresolved let alone soothed, leading to more resentment across the middle east. He'll put tariffs on imports, leading to a trade war even with his allies. He'll also row back on environmental issues and probably other international agreements including Nato. If he doesn't then fair play. If he does, then I fear the next 4 years will be more dangerous than otherwise would have been the case.
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Post by aghast on Nov 6, 2024 16:42:45 GMT
wot about 'are sovrinty? We didn't leave the EU just to have individual rights trodden on by America... You lot gave up "our" sovrnity after your reaction post Brexit. Starmers actions this summer confirmed the dictatorship,that we live under is no better than North Korea,Iran, or Russia. It's just you lot the are the dictatorship, and I was born here. Trump's back. I always thought from my experiences that the Yanks were stupid.But they are not...They listened, and then they called you out on your Bulls**t last night! Trump's back f**kers... x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1854104310822412509?t=s6kZFLvLhRgNMdRR6tTUkQ&s=19Don't be ridiculous. North Korea and Iran? If you want your posts to be taken seriously, don't make them ludicrous. I thought you were (slightly) more sensible than that.
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Post by aghast on Nov 6, 2024 16:43:56 GMT
"Starmers actions this summer confirmed the dictatorship,that we live under is no better than North Korea,Iran, or Russia. It's just you lot the are the dictatorship, and I was born here." Bit of an overreaction. I get you don't like him but we are a long way off that comparison. So we should trust any of your opinions given what you about Trump? You leftie, lying Bullies are toast. You don't have any substance now its over. He is Finished. You've morphed into Ltdgas. I really thought better of you.
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 6, 2024 16:52:51 GMT
I think this is pretty much spot on...... "This is what happens. This is what happens when you ignore what millions of ordinary people have been saying for much of the last decade. This is what happens when instead of addressing their concerns you jam even more mass immigration, broken borders, social disorder, woke policies, gender madness, soft-on-crime policies, high taxes, regulation, and cultural chaos down their throats. This is what happens when instead of treating your fellow citizens with respect you choose to berate them, once again, like you did in 2016, as âNazisâ, âfascistsâ, âMAGA extremistsâ, âinsurrectionistsâ, âgarbageâ, and more. This is what happens when the only people who refuse to acknowledge that most voters do not want to live in a world with open borders, mass migration, soft-on-crime policies, high taxes, restrictions on free speech, forever wars, and the sexualisation of our children happen to be the very people who control our institutions. This is what happens when you allow our public, taxpayer-funded institutions, from universities to schools, to be hijacked and taken over by radical ideologues who use their power to impose a stifling, unscientific, and deeply divisive woke agenda on everybody else, including our families and children. This is what happens when you use the legacy media, and the creative and cultural industries, to try and radically reframe the national story, telling ordinary people who love their nation that they should be ashamed and embarrassed of the very things that make them a people âtheir shared sense of history, identity, culture, and ways of life. This is what happens when you ignore how the White, Hispanic, Latino, and African American working-class have been completely clobbered on two sides at the same timeâby a rampant hyper-globalisation that saw global firms offshore jobs to exploit cheap migrant labour overseas, and by a radicalising elite class that simultaneously ushered into Western economies masses of cheap migrant labour through illegal and legal migration to satisfy their own sense of moral righteousness. This is what happens, Democrats, when you endlessly persecute and prosecute a former president, stage a coup against an incumbent president, replace that president with somebody who has no public mandate, talk openly about changing the rules that govern the Supreme Court, use your friends in big tech to suppress free speech, call anybody and everybody who dares voice a different opinion a âNaziâ and then wail endlessly about âthreats to democracyâ. This is what happens when instead of recognising that the true source of power, legitimacy, and authority lies with the people you transfer these things away from the people below to unelected courts, judges, companies, supranational bodies, and the âexpertâ class, almost all of whom are utterly disconnected from ordinary people. This is what happens when you treat normal people who are asking entirely legitimate questions about what is happening to their country, their home, like idiots, dismissing their questions as âmisinformationâ and âdisinformationâ while hiding information from them and using biased experts to endorse âofficially approved narrativesâ. This is what happens when instead of tolerating opinions, beliefs, and views you do not like you make no secret of the fact that you want to censor, restrict or shut down platforms that do give voice to the Forgotten Majority. This is what happens, British conservatives, when instead of leaning into the political realignment that is still unfolding across the Western world you turn away from it, treating millions of working-class, non-graduate, and culturally conservative voters from the small towns and rural areas with complete and utter contempt. And, ultimately, this is what happens when instead of learning from the lessons of 2016, from Trump 1, and the continuing rise of national populism across the West, you instead choose to double down on your side and say to hell with everybody else. This. This is what happens." Lots of hyperbole but some good points we'd do well to heed. Who wrote it? link
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