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Post by icegas on Sept 18, 2024 8:43:05 GMT
I've been working all day, so sorry to catch this mid conversation, but myself I'm never fuelled up,or made more anger by any words said by Tommy Robinson, Farage or anyone else, and I never read any newspapers..none of them. I trust Tommy Robinson more so than I do Farage for example. See I think..in fact I know, that Tommy Robinson is fighting an honest fight for good regardless of whether you like him or not. Where as Farage likes the attention and limelight. Nigel could have had a greater impact then Tommy in has, but he hasn't as I don't really think he is doing it for the right reasons. Tommy has put his life on the line for his activism, and will probably be killed soon once in prison regardless of your views of him. Question for you? Is there anything that Tommy says that has any truth to it for you? Anything you could agree with him on?... I'm interested. Another question, I agree legal immigration is a far greater problem then illegal immigration is for us, but does that mean we shouldn't talk about the illegals coming into this country on boats and the problems they are causing? What's the point of us being a country if we have no boundaries or boarders ? I don't think Robinson says anything at all unless it fits his agenda of stirring up racial unrest. Pointing out that murders and other crimes have been committed by immigrants cannot be disputed (just as the vast majority of the same crimes have been committed by non-immigrants). It's a selective collection of facts designed to make a point and create trouble. He's not a fighter for freedom. He's a manipulative street politician who is clever enough to speak and let others then do his dirty work. I really don't understand where you get any of that, but it's the joy living in a free country I guess...
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 18, 2024 9:42:46 GMT
Probably not for you, me, Oldie or Baldrick. But there are people who are bristling with anger fed by people like Farage, Tice, Habib, Yaxley Lennon, etc and the Mail, Telegraph [even more so recently], Express, etc with a constant bombardment of comments and articles blaming the boat people and illegal immigrants, who are roused even further by stupid comments made virtually immediately after an event before the police have had a chance to make any form of announcement. They are waiting for another reason to hate Johnny or Abdul forriner. Yet anyone sensible knows that it is legal immigration that is the problem not the boat people, and that the last Government cut back in every department dealing with the issue from Border Force, asylum applications, police, social services, and so on. And let's be honest words can easily provoke. You yourself have been raised to ire at what you read as provocation. You have told people on occasions not to be silly rather than address the issue or name call. Don't get me wrong, others do the same. That's not me trying to be personal so apologies if it comes across that way. If words provoke the intelligent souls on here, what do they do if constantly fed to those who are less able to decipher context, facts or able to deliberate as people can on here or have no where to vent their wrath. I've been working all day, so sorry to catch this mid conversation, but myself I'm never fuelled up,or made more anger by any words said by Tommy Robinson, Farage or anyone else, and I never read any newspapers..none of them. I trust Tommy Robinson more so than I do Farage for example.See I think..in fact I know, that Tommy Robinson is fighting an honest fight for good regardless of whether you like him or not. Where as Farage likes the attention and limelight. Nigel could have had a greater impact then Tommy in has, but he hasn't as I don't really think he is doing it for the right reasons. Tommy has put his life on the line for his activism, and will probably be killed soon once in prison regardless of your views of him. Question for you? Is there anything that Tommy says that has any truth to it for you? Anything you could agree with him on?... I'm interested.Another question, I agree legal immigration is a far greater problem then illegal immigration is for us, but does that mean we shouldn't talk about the illegals coming into this country on boats and the problems they are causing? What's the point of us being a country if we have no boundaries or boarders ? Trust I do not trust anyone who needs to have numerous aliases. He is right to raise immigration as a subject for discussion - I totally disagree with the way he goes about it. I prefer people to practice what they preach. He preaches about England but chooses to exploit his dual nationality [UK & Irish] to live comfortably in Tenerife for as long as he wants and travel freely without having to queue, something most of his supporters cannot do, without jumping through hoops. Like Radcliffe, Dyson and many others he lauded Brexit but lives away from the impact on this country. He breaks the law and almost caused the collapse of a case where young girls and women had been badly abused. His actions do not match his words.
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2024 10:07:00 GMT
I don't think Robinson says anything at all unless it fits his agenda of stirring up racial unrest. Pointing out that murders and other crimes have been committed by immigrants cannot be disputed (just as the vast majority of the same crimes have been committed by non-immigrants). It's a selective collection of facts designed to make a point and create trouble. He's not a fighter for freedom. He's a manipulative street politician who is clever enough to speak and let others then do his dirty work. I really don't understand where you get any of that, but it's the joy living in a free country I guess... It's strange isn't it. What Aghast states is blindingly obvious unless people just don't want to see it. Personally, I would be a lot less polite about Robinson
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Post by baldrick on Sept 18, 2024 10:42:44 GMT
I don't think Robinson says anything at all unless it fits his agenda of stirring up racial unrest. Pointing out that murders and other crimes have been committed by immigrants cannot be disputed (just as the vast majority of the same crimes have been committed by non-immigrants). It's a selective collection of facts designed to make a point and create trouble. He's not a fighter for freedom. He's a manipulative street politician who is clever enough to speak and let others then do his dirty work. I really don't understand where you get any of that, but it's the joy living in a free country I guess... Does Tommy look at other crimes, those not caused by Muslims or immigrants?
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2024 11:11:44 GMT
I really don't understand where you get any of that, but it's the joy living in a free country I guess... Does Tommy look at other crimes, those not caused by Muslims or immigrants? No, on white supremacist sites they only discuss non white crimes
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 18, 2024 11:19:35 GMT
Came across this quote from Karl Popper, an Austrian–British philosopher, academic and social commentator which could be applied especially with what is happening in the USA & UK at the moment. 'The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them. Karl Popper describes the paradox as arising from the fact that, in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.'
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2024 11:43:00 GMT
Came across this quote from Karl Popper, an Austrian–British philosopher, academic and social commentator which could be applied especially with what is happening in the USA & UK at the moment. 'The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them. Karl Popper describes the paradox as arising from the fact that, in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.'Yep It can be hard when faced with rank stupidity, but yep. Talking of being tolerant, Trump was on a classic word salad ramble yesterday. x.com/sahilkapur/status/1836210112727282025In a nutshell "I will bring down prices by raising the cost of imported food"🤯 I fell off my chair laughing when one respondant said.. "I tried to read his response but I had a seizure"😂😂😂
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 18, 2024 17:44:56 GMT
Kamala Harris focuses on abortion and economy in speech to Latino voters..by Brandon Livesay and Marita Moloneyichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/bae7/live/9976f990-75e0-11ef-b02d-c5f3b724a1ea.jpgVice-President Kamala Harris says "we have to put working families first" in a speech to Latino voters focused on the economy and abortion She calls Georgia's abortion ban "immoral" and references a woman who died from complications of taking an abortion pill Later former President Donald Trump and his running mate JD Vance will hold rallies, with less than eight weeks to go until polling day Meanwhile, Reports of explosives at Trump rally site 'unfounded', police saySome media reports claimed earlier today that law enforcement officials discovered explosives inside a car near the Long Island site where Donald Trump will hold a campaign rally. Those reports are "unfounded", according to Nassau County police. "There is a person who is being questioned who may have been training a bomb detection dog near the site," police commissioner Patrick Ryder said in a statement shared on social media. "The individual with the bomb dog falsely reported explosives being found and that individual is currently being detained by police."
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2024 18:52:06 GMT
Kamala Harris focuses on abortion and economy in speech to Latino voters..by Brandon Livesay and Marita Moloneyichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/bae7/live/9976f990-75e0-11ef-b02d-c5f3b724a1ea.jpgVice-President Kamala Harris says "we have to put working families first" in a speech to Latino voters focused on the economy and abortion She calls Georgia's abortion ban "immoral" and references a woman who died from complications of taking an abortion pill Later former President Donald Trump and his running mate JD Vance will hold rallies, with less than eight weeks to go until polling day Meanwhile, Reports of explosives at Trump rally site 'unfounded', police saySome media reports claimed earlier today that law enforcement officials discovered explosives inside a car near the Long Island site where Donald Trump will hold a campaign rally. Those reports are "unfounded", according to Nassau County police. "There is a person who is being questioned who may have been training a bomb detection dog near the site," police commissioner Patrick Ryder said in a statement shared on social media. "The individual with the bomb dog falsely reported explosives being found and that individual is currently being detained by police." 🤓 Bloody interesting that...I think
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Post by icegas on Sept 18, 2024 20:15:21 GMT
Does Tommy look at other crimes, those not caused by Muslims or immigrants? No, on white supremacist sites they only discuss non white crimes Tommy is not a white supremacist, he is anti Muslim.Oldie, with the greatest respect, if you think that he is a white supremacist then your views hold little substance, as its a lie. Tommy talks about alot of things, his main his main issue is radical Islam.That is his fight.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 18, 2024 20:21:35 GMT
No, on white supremacist sites they only discuss non white crimes Tommy is not a white supremacist, he is anti Muslim.Oldie, with the greatest respect, if you think that he is a white supremacist then your views hold little substance, as its a lie. Tommy talks about alot of things, his main his main issue is radical Islam.That is his fight. Has he ever investigated white grooming gangs?
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Post by icegas on Sept 18, 2024 20:31:01 GMT
Tommy is not a white supremacist, he is anti Muslim.Oldie, with the greatest respect, if you think that he is a white supremacist then your views hold little substance, as its a lie. Tommy talks about alot of things, his main his main issue is radical Islam.That is his fight. Has he ever investigated white grooming gangs? Have you? No, but that does not make him a white supremacist.He doesn't look into black grooming gangs, Chinese grooming gangs or Mexican groom gangs...( You get the point..?) He has history involving Muslim grooming gangs based on living in Luton which is the capital of jihad in Europe.His cousin was raped by them while 16 years old.
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Post by trymer on Sept 18, 2024 20:43:09 GMT
Has he ever investigated white grooming gangs? Have you? No, but that does not make him a white supremacist.He doesn't look into black grooming gangs, Chinese grooming gangs or Mexican groom gangs...( You get the point..?) He has history involving Muslim grooming gangs based on living in Luton which is the capital of jihad in Europe.His cousin was raped by them while 16 years old. Interesting that these gangs of mainly Pakistani men who rape and torture young girls are so numerous,Rochdale,rotherham etc etc,what percentage of the population are they ? 5%, we should be hearing about 10 times as many white British gangs but we dont for some reason,must be racism I suppose.
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2024 20:56:49 GMT
Has he ever investigated white grooming gangs? Have you? No, but that does not make him a white supremacist.He doesn't look into black grooming gangs, Chinese grooming gangs or Mexican groom gangs...( You get the point..?) He has history involving Muslim grooming gangs based on living in Luton which is the capital of jihad in Europe.His cousin was raped by them while 16 years old. Them?
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Post by icegas on Sept 18, 2024 22:08:40 GMT
Have you? No, but that does not make him a white supremacist.He doesn't look into black grooming gangs, Chinese grooming gangs or Mexican groom gangs...( You get the point..?) He has history involving Muslim grooming gangs based on living in Luton which is the capital of jihad in Europe.His cousin was raped by them while 16 years old. Them? Muslim men.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 18, 2024 23:54:59 GMT
"It found there was limited research on offender identity and poor quality data, which made it difficult to draw conclusions, however "it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending". A previous piece of research from 2015 found that of 1,231 perpetrators of "group and gang-based child sexual exploitation", 42% were white, 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British and 17% black. The problem is that the data is from only 19 out of more than 40 police forces and nearly a decade old. Another issue is that the ethnicity of the offender is recorded by police officers rather than self-assessed, and uses broad definitions, such as "Asian". The 2020 Home Office report found this could result in offenders being classed as "Asian" while being from other backgrounds. In 2022 the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse investigated abuse in six cities which had not experienced a high profile grooming case. It found evidence that gang-based abuse was happening, and of widespread failures by the police to record the ethnicity of perpetrators. This "makes it impossible to know whether any particular ethnic group is over-represented as perpetrators of child sexual exploitation by networks," the report concluded." www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096.amp
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Post by baldrick on Sept 18, 2024 23:57:14 GMT
Has he ever investigated white grooming gangs? Have you? No, but that does not make him a white supremacist.He doesn't look into black grooming gangs, Chinese grooming gangs or Mexican groom gangs...( You get the point..?) He has history involving Muslim grooming gangs based on living in Luton which is the capital of jihad in Europe.His cousin was raped by them while 16 years old. Perhaps he should look into them too, why look at the religion rather than the crime.
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Post by icegas on Sept 19, 2024 0:27:53 GMT
Have you? No, but that does not make him a white supremacist.He doesn't look into black grooming gangs, Chinese grooming gangs or Mexican groom gangs...( You get the point..?) He has history involving Muslim grooming gangs based on living in Luton which is the capital of jihad in Europe.His cousin was raped by them while 16 years old. Perhaps he should look into them too, why look at the religion rather than the crime. Maybe as it's to politically correct to speak up about them ( Islamic Rapists) as if you do,then you are deemed a white supremacist if you do.. like you are on here, if you bring up the point? It's ingnored, just like the south yorkshire police admitted to going so, incase of being labeled racist! No one spoke about Muslim grooming gangs until Tommy Robinson did, fact! How is he the bad guy for doing this..? Anyone..come on answer! And.. Answer without saying, why is he not not exposing English grooming gangs! Come on, answer?? You can't...as you will look like a fool! I find it odd, that yourself and others on here - tackle the position that he talks about Muslim grooming gangs, trying to suggest that he is a racist, instead of commending him for trying to expose evil rapists regardless of their colour, religion or sex. And what has he done wrong? How can he be knocked for exposing this? Forget the religion... Again, it's nothing to do with race, so stop being stupid..no "thick" if you suggest it is. How is he wrong for bringing up/and highlighting that Muslims,who were invited into this country have groomed innocent UK girls? How is he wrong!!!! This forum really f**ks me off some times..
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Post by francegas on Sept 19, 2024 6:12:35 GMT
Did BBC news even bother to report the sentencing of 7 members of a Rotherham grooming gang for a combined total of 106 years.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 19, 2024 6:20:50 GMT
Did BBC news even bother to report the sentencing of 7 members of a Rotherham grooming gang for a combined total of 106 years. Yes, as I'm sure you already knew.
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