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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2024 6:48:27 GMT
Whatever side you're on be it right,or left, all the sources from either side echoes others that stand on that same side. The Torries are the same as Labour. People never rioted because the Torries lost and its ridiculous to say that! Labour won by only gaining 9 million votes,it wasn't a victory... they gained the government by default as people wanted the Torries out! The 4 million voters for Reform did so as there is no other party in this country that they can trust, or vote for.A pretty much start up party still attracted 4 million votes because the of the lack of a real party to vote for. Tommy dislikes both party's equally. The riots had nothing to do with labour winning. If it was politically driven ( which it wasn't) most of the anger would have been aimed at the Torries as they were in power from the past 14 years! I didn't say that people rioted because the Tories lost. Many of the rioters sentenced likely aren't political thinkers at all, and were either looking for an excuse to throw bricks angrily or were acting out against who they've been told the fault is for their lack of achievements. Those people aren't the reason the riots happened. Like you pointed out, they've had 14 years to kick off and it would be ridiculous to blame a party 4 weeks in wouldn't it ? That though, is very different to saying the cause of the rioting and the timing of the rioting had nothing to do with the change of government. I'll say it differently, those that have an interest in destabilising the country for their own ends did, and continue to, at this particular point in time. I don't believe that's coincidental. 100%
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Post by baldrick on Sept 17, 2024 7:04:05 GMT
The tweet has been deleted. "The US Secret Service says it is "aware" of a social media post by Elon Musk in which he said that "no one is even trying" to assassinate President Joe Biden or Vice-president Kamala Harris. Mr Musk has since deleted the post and said it was intended as a joke. His post on X, formerly Twitter, came just hours after the suspected attempted assassination of Donald Trump at his golf course in Florida on Sunday." www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74882jq39voWhat an idiot. One of the issues here is how easily some people are led to believe social media without checking the details. Equally I do believe that people like Musk, Trump and so many in the States know exactly what they are doing. As does the likes of Farage and Reform in the UK. Crossing topics a bit, look at what Farage put out after the murders of those poor girls. The useful idiots followed his lead. They don't get where they are by being stupid, they know which trigger words work.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 17, 2024 7:40:26 GMT
Name a single occasion where riots have happened in the UK after an election. I thought days of unsubstantiated rumours were over. About 6 weeks ago Are you claiming that the troubles of a few weeks ago are because "the right" lost the GE? What utter utter nonsense. And people are concerned with unsubstatiated news being spread on the internet!
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Post by pop up pirate on Sept 17, 2024 7:44:26 GMT
Are you claiming that the troubles of a few weeks ago are because "the right" lost the GE? What utter utter nonsense. And people are concerned with unsubstatiated news being spread on the internet! It's my opinion Nobby, not unsubstantiated news. What do you think were the causes of the riots?
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 17, 2024 7:46:30 GMT
But what Top up and yourself seem to be suggesting is that the riots were held due to Labour winning the election. The riots had nothing to do with the 'right' kicking off due to Labours win. - Zero.Nothing. It had nothing to do with Starmer being handed the keys by default. And nothing was suggested about that on here at the time, or in the media. Like I said, my theories differ to yours. The morons that threw the bricks, set light to hotels, attacked blacks randomly etc weren't rioting because the Tories got handed their arses a few weeks earlier. I'm well aware of that. Those fools didn't instigate it though, many of them were just career criminals or impaired. We won't agree on this I'm afraid. I've said the same here before, and don't let the media decide what I believe, but there's no coincidence in the timing just as there won't be in the US. Maybe you should keep your personal conspiracy theories to yourself and stop spreading them online.
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Post by pop up pirate on Sept 17, 2024 7:48:29 GMT
Like I said, my theories differ to yours. The morons that threw the bricks, set light to hotels, attacked blacks randomly etc weren't rioting because the Tories got handed their arses a few weeks earlier. I'm well aware of that. Those fools didn't instigate it though, many of them were just career criminals or impaired. We won't agree on this I'm afraid. I've said the same here before, and don't let the media decide what I believe, but there's no coincidence in the timing just as there won't be in the US. Maybe you should keep your personal conspiracy theories to yourself and stop spreading them online. I'll continue as I please, there's plenty of conspiracy theories in this forum
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 17, 2024 8:00:23 GMT
Now you are contradicting yourself :- "The morons that threw the bricks, set light to hotels, attacked blacks randomly etc weren't rioting because the Tories got handed their arses a few weeks earlier."
Your initial claim was that the troubles were caused because "the right" lost the election!
You seem confused?
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Post by pop up pirate on Sept 17, 2024 8:07:35 GMT
Now you are contradicting yourself :- "The morons that threw the bricks, set light to hotels, attacked blacks randomly etc weren't rioting because the Tories got handed their arses a few weeks earlier." Your initial claim was that the troubles were caused because "the right" lost the election! You seem confused? Not at all. The morons throwing the bricks weren't the cause of the riots, it's actually quite straightforward
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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2024 8:48:33 GMT
Now you are contradicting yourself :- "The morons that threw the bricks, set light to hotels, attacked blacks randomly etc weren't rioting because the Tories got handed their arses a few weeks earlier." Your initial claim was that the troubles were caused because "the right" lost the election! You seem confused? Not at all. The morons throwing the bricks weren't the cause of the riots, it's actually quite straightforward Just remind ourselves of what Farage said after the murders of those children: "On Tuesday afternoon, before the riots began, Mr Farage had posted a video to social media responding to the attack, questioning why the incident was not being treated as terror-related and asking whether the “truth is being withheld from us”. He also asked whether the suspect, who is 17 and has not been identified, was being monitored by the security services." Let the unrest begin. Of course he followed this up by reposting the moron Andrew Tate's post that the perpetrator was an illegal immigrant. Let the hotel burnings begin.
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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2024 8:55:21 GMT
In the meantime Trump carries on with his racist rants. It is quite unbelievable www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-new-attack-on-kamala-harris_n_66e920b7e4b06998fbecbf72This always makes me laugh “Illegal Migrants” are “POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY” and “taking the JOBS away from Black and Hispanic people who have held them for years,” alleged Trump, echoing his previous racist remarks about “Black jobs” being taken by immigrants" What exactly is a "Black Job"? Is the Presidency of the United States a "black job" FFS,
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Post by baselswh on Sept 17, 2024 9:15:59 GMT
Not at all. The morons throwing the bricks weren't the cause of the riots, it's actually quite straightforward Just remind ourselves of what Farage said after the murders of those children: "On Tuesday afternoon, before the riots began, Mr Farage had posted a video to social media responding to the attack, questioning why the incident was not being treated as terror-related and asking whether the “truth is being withheld from us”. He also asked whether the suspect, who is 17 and has not been identified, was being monitored by the security services." Let the unrest begin. Of course he followed this up by reposting the moron Andrew Tate's post that the perpetrator was an illegal immigrant. Let the hotel burnings begin. Years of the truth being with held and Farage is lambasted for asking sensible questions. Our Law and 2 tier policing is dangerous. Cheshire was posing how you can play a crossword type of game when hearing court cases ( something like that,it's freshly posted yesterday to check,I think). I play a guess who dunnit game,when i guess the perpetrators of knife murders,acid attacks etc. We have 2TK making a broken system worse. Farage is 100% correct to ask questions and he deserves apologies from plenty of people .
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Post by pop up pirate on Sept 17, 2024 9:31:09 GMT
Just remind ourselves of what Farage said after the murders of those children: "On Tuesday afternoon, before the riots began, Mr Farage had posted a video to social media responding to the attack, questioning why the incident was not being treated as terror-related and asking whether the “truth is being withheld from us”. He also asked whether the suspect, who is 17 and has not been identified, was being monitored by the security services." Let the unrest begin. Of course he followed this up by reposting the moron Andrew Tate's post that the perpetrator was an illegal immigrant. Let the hotel burnings begin. Years of the truth being with held and Farage is lambasted for asking sensible questions. Our Law and 2 tier policing is dangerous. Cheshire was posing how you can play a crossword type of game when hearing court cases ( something like that,it's freshly posted yesterday to check,I think). I play a guess who dunnit game,when i guess the perpetrators of knife murders,acid attacks etc. We have 2TK making a broken system worse. Farage is 100% correct to ask questions and he deserves apologies from plenty of people . Yet I reckon Farage, Robinson, Musk etc owe an apology to the families of the dead children for politicising their vigil and instigating a riot there.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 17, 2024 9:44:36 GMT
Like I said, my theories differ to yours. The morons that threw the bricks, set light to hotels, attacked blacks randomly etc weren't rioting because the Tories got handed their arses a few weeks earlier. I'm well aware of that. Those fools didn't instigate it though, many of them were just career criminals or impaired. We won't agree on this I'm afraid. I've said the same here before, and don't let the media decide what I believe, but there's no coincidence in the timing just as there won't be in the US. Maybe you should keep your personal conspiracy theories to yourself and stop spreading them online. So you believe that pop up should not speak what he thinks, but you are happy for Farage to, as Oldie has quoted, to speak lies and conspiracy theories which provoke actions. Beginning to sound like Trump, Musk and Vance, Nobby.
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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2024 9:46:47 GMT
Years of the truth being with held and Farage is lambasted for asking sensible questions. Our Law and 2 tier policing is dangerous. Cheshire was posing how you can play a crossword type of game when hearing court cases ( something like that,it's freshly posted yesterday to check,I think). I play a guess who dunnit game,when i guess the perpetrators of knife murders,acid attacks etc. We have 2TK making a broken system worse. Farage is 100% correct to ask questions and he deserves apologies from plenty of people . Yet I reckon Farage, Robinson, Musk etc owe an apology to the families of the dead children for politicising their vigil and instigating a riot there. Describing Farage as purveyor of truth is an oxymoron. What the wilfully blind refuse to accept that in a situation where emotions are raw those who hold positions of responsibility have a duty not to inflame a bad situation even further. Farage shirked that responsibility, solely for the purpose of self grandstanding. The man is not fit to be a member of Parliament
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 17, 2024 10:36:15 GMT
Yet I reckon Farage, Robinson, Musk etc owe an apology to the families of the dead children for politicising their vigil and instigating a riot there. Describing Farage as purveyor of truth is an oxymoron. What the wilfully blind refuse to accept that in a situation where emotions are raw those who hold positions of responsibility have a duty not to inflame a bad situation even further. Farage shirked that responsibility, solely for the purpose of self grandstanding. The man is not fit to be a member of Parliament There's possibly 650 (Seats in HoC ) who could hold that position on the self gratification level
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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2024 11:03:15 GMT
Describing Farage as purveyor of truth is an oxymoron. What the wilfully blind refuse to accept that in a situation where emotions are raw those who hold positions of responsibility have a duty not to inflame a bad situation even further. Farage shirked that responsibility, solely for the purpose of self grandstanding. The man is not fit to be a member of Parliament There's possibly 650 (Seats in HoC ) who could hold that position on the self gratification level I say old chap, are you calling all our MPs w****rs?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 17, 2024 11:20:14 GMT
Describing Farage as purveyor of truth is an oxymoron. What the wilfully blind refuse to accept that in a situation where emotions are raw those who hold positions of responsibility have a duty not to inflame a bad situation even further. Farage shirked that responsibility, solely for the purpose of self grandstanding. The man is not fit to be a member of Parliament There's possibly 650 (Seats in HoC ) who could hold that position on the self gratification level Many on all sides do. Apparently its a good place to watch tractor porn but also to make good friends in dark places.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 17, 2024 11:31:33 GMT
YouTube.
'I want Apologies!'-Nigel Farage BREAKS silence as he is vindicated on Southport riot accusations.
Perhaps BT could link this if he sees it please.
Interesting points Farage makes,he brings evidence to support his position and then a debate afterwards with a couple of people.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 17, 2024 11:48:05 GMT
Years of the truth being with held and Farage is lambasted for asking sensible questions. Our Law and 2 tier policing is dangerous. Cheshire was posing how you can play a crossword type of game when hearing court cases ( something like that,it's freshly posted yesterday to check,I think). I play a guess who dunnit game,when i guess the perpetrators of knife murders,acid attacks etc. We have 2TK making a broken system worse. Farage is 100% correct to ask questions and he deserves apologies from plenty of people . Yet I reckon Farage, Robinson, Musk etc owe an apology to the families of the dead children for politicising their vigil and instigating a riot there. Total nonsense.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 17, 2024 12:03:51 GMT
Maybe you should keep your personal conspiracy theories to yourself and stop spreading them online. So you believe that pop up should not speak what he thinks, but you are happy for Farage to, as Oldie has quoted, to speak lies and conspiracy theories which provoke actions. Beginning to sound like Trump, Musk and Vance, Nobby. Farage was asking legitimate questions. We, as people, don't have any voice, so we have to rely on those in the public domain to ask those questions for us. Nothing Farage said was an incitement to violence, and if anyone seriously believes that they need to give their heads a wibble. PoP just contradicts himself. But once again, the real issue is being ignored. Immigration. It won't go away. Take a look at what is happening in places like Germany and Holland regarding border control, free movement etc. The problem with the riots was not Trump, Farage, Musk or even Starmer. The problem is this slow burning fuse called immigration. It is still there and the pressure will surely ramp up again, but what are the government doing about it? It has been put to one side with the claim that it's all "right wingers" causing the problems, when the real issue is immigration. It just cannot be ignored
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