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Post by baldrick on Sept 17, 2024 12:19:54 GMT
So you believe that pop up should not speak what he thinks, but you are happy for Farage to, as Oldie has quoted, to speak lies and conspiracy theories which provoke actions. Beginning to sound like Trump, Musk and Vance, Nobby. Farage was asking legitimate questions. We, as people, don't have any voice, so we have to rely on those in the public domain to ask those questions for us. Nothing Farage said was an incitement to violence, and if anyone seriously believes that they need to give their heads a wibble. PoP just contradicts himself. But once again, the real issue is being ignored. Immigration. It won't go away. Take a look at what is happening in places like Germany and Holland regarding border control, free movement etc. The problem with the riots was not Trump, Farage, Musk or even Starmer. The problem is this slow burning fuse called immigration. It is still there and the pressure will surely ramp up again, but what are the government doing about it? It has been put to one side with the claim that it's all "right wingers" causing the problems, when the real issue is immigration. It just cannot be ignored Who linked the Southport killings to immigration?
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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2024 12:23:35 GMT
Farage was asking legitimate questions. We, as people, don't have any voice, so we have to rely on those in the public domain to ask those questions for us. Nothing Farage said was an incitement to violence, and if anyone seriously believes that they need to give their heads a wibble. PoP just contradicts himself. But once again, the real issue is being ignored. Immigration. It won't go away. Take a look at what is happening in places like Germany and Holland regarding border control, free movement etc. The problem with the riots was not Trump, Farage, Musk or even Starmer. The problem is this slow burning fuse called immigration. It is still there and the pressure will surely ramp up again, but what are the government doing about it? It has been put to one side with the claim that it's all "right wingers" causing the problems, when the real issue is immigration. It just cannot be ignored Who linked the Southport killings to immigration? Also "Who asked why we are not being told the truth?" Who asked whether the suspect was on the security services radar!" It's incitement, pure and simple.
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Post by baselswh on Sept 17, 2024 12:30:08 GMT
YouTube. 'I want Apologies!'-Nigel Farage BREAKS silence as he is vindicated on Southport riot accusations. Perhaps BT could link this if he sees it please. Interesting points Farage makes,he brings evidence to support his position and then a debate afterwards with a couple of people. .
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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2024 12:42:35 GMT
YouTube. 'I want Apologies!'-Nigel Farage BREAKS silence as he is vindicated on Southport riot accusations. Perhaps BT could link this if he sees it please. Interesting points Farage makes,he brings evidence to support his position and then a debate afterwards with a couple of people. . How was he vindicated? Enquiring minds need to know
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 17, 2024 12:51:53 GMT
There's possibly 650 (Seats in HoC ) who could hold that position on the self gratification level I say old chap, are you calling all our MPs w****rs? To clarify who may be able to carry out that procedure in certain ways,you need to ask SKS,
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Post by baselswh on Sept 17, 2024 13:03:18 GMT
How was he vindicated? Enquiring minds need to know Put it up on here and we can see the man defend himself.
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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2024 13:04:25 GMT
How was he vindicated? Enquiring minds need to know Put it up on here and we can see the man defend himself. You can quote him even if you cannot link the video, surely?
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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2024 13:05:38 GMT
I say old chap, are you calling all our MPs w****rs? To clarify who may be able to carry out that procedure in certain ways,you need to ask SKS, It was almost funny the first time around
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Post by baselswh on Sept 17, 2024 13:06:40 GMT
Put it up on here and we can see the man defend himself. You can quote him even if you cannot link the video, surely? So much easier once we can all see it and reference parts.He puts up a very good defence.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 17, 2024 13:29:27 GMT
You can quote him even if you cannot link the video, surely? So much easier once we can all see it and reference parts.He puts up a very good defence. This one? Not sure I agree, again I ask who linked the murders with immigration? I appreciate it was sensitive but we don't see this for other murders and nor did it stop once the murderer was identified by the police. Farage didn't need to say what he said at that time, nor were those 'reports' from official sources. Pure Internet speculation.
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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2024 13:29:28 GMT
You can quote him even if you cannot link the video, surely? So much easier once we can all see it and reference parts.He puts up a very good defence. So good you are incapable of posting it?
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Post by baselswh on Sept 17, 2024 13:32:14 GMT
So much easier once we can all see it and reference parts.He puts up a very good defence. This one? Not sure I agree, again I ask who linked the murders with immigration? I appreciate it was sensitive but we don't see this for other murders and nor did it stop once the murderer was identified by the police. Farage didn't need to say what he said at that time, nor were those 'reports' from official sources. Pure Internet speculation. Thank you Baldrick.
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 17, 2024 15:49:54 GMT
Who linked the Southport killings to immigration? Also "Who asked why we are not being told the truth?" Who asked whether the suspect was on the security services radar!" It's incitement, pure and simple. You actually think that that is incitement? Seriously? You must live in a really fragile place !
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 17, 2024 16:40:15 GMT
Also "Who asked why we are not being told the truth?" Who asked whether the suspect was on the security services radar!" It's incitement, pure and simple. You actually think that that is incitement? Seriously? You must live in a really fragile place ! Probably not for you, me, Oldie or Baldrick. But there are people who are bristling with anger fed by people like Farage, Tice, Habib, Yaxley Lennon, etc and the Mail, Telegraph [even more so recently], Express, etc with a constant bombardment of comments and articles blaming the boat people and illegal immigrants, who are roused even further by stupid comments made virtually immediately after an event before the police have had a chance to make any form of announcement. They are waiting for another reason to hate Johnny or Abdul forriner. Yet anyone sensible knows that it is legal immigration that is the problem not the boat people, and that the last Government cut back in every department dealing with the issue from Border Force, asylum applications, police, social services, and so on. And let's be honest words can easily provoke. You yourself have been raised to ire at what you read as provocation. You have told people on occasions not to be silly rather than address the issue or name call. Don't get me wrong, others do the same. That's not me trying to be personal so apologies if it comes across that way. If words provoke the intelligent souls on here, what do they do if constantly fed to those who are less able to decipher context, facts or able to deliberate as people can on here or have no where to vent their wrath.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 17, 2024 17:16:48 GMT
Also "Who asked why we are not being told the truth?" Who asked whether the suspect was on the security services radar!" It's incitement, pure and simple. You actually think that that is incitement? Seriously? You must live in a really fragile place ! He amplified and gave legitimacy to trolls, racists and conspiracy theorists. Look at the video I linked, it has his original piece at the start asking questions like whether the murderer was being investigated by intelligence services. He cited 'reports', what are these? Which credible source? Where has he said these things on other cases? If he wants to be a responsible politician and be taken seriously by people other than his core vote, then he has to know when it's wise to keep his council. He is complicit in spreading rumours that led to the protests/riots and needs to take ownership of him jumping the gun for headlines that had real world consequences that we are still feeling even now. His days of being a disruptor should be behind him.
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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2024 19:21:02 GMT
You actually think that that is incitement? Seriously? You must live in a really fragile place ! He amplified and gave legitimacy to trolls, racists and conspiracy theorists. Look at the video I linked, it has his original piece at the start asking questions like whether the murderer was being investigated by intelligence services. He cited 'reports', what are these? Which credible source? Where has he said these things on other cases? If he wants to be a responsible politician and be taken seriously by people other than his core vote, then he has to know when it's wise to keep his council. He is complicit in spreading rumours that led to the protests/riots and needs to take ownership of him jumping the gun for headlines that had real world consequences that we are still feeling even now. His days of being a disruptor should be behind him. Precisely
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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2024 19:28:55 GMT
You actually think that that is incitement? Seriously? You must live in a really fragile place ! Probably not for you, me, Oldie or Baldrick. But there are people who are bristling with anger fed by people like Farage, Tice, Habib, Yaxley Lennon, etc and the Mail, Telegraph [even more so recently], Express, etc with a constant bombardment of comments and articles blaming the boat people and illegal immigrants, who are roused even further by stupid comments made virtually immediately after an event before the police have had a chance to make any form of announcement. They are waiting for another reason to hate Johnny or Abdul forriner. Yet anyone sensible knows that it is legal immigration that is the problem not the boat people, and that the last Government cut back in every department dealing with the issue from Border Force, asylum applications, police, social services, and so on. And let's be honest words can easily provoke. You yourself have been raised to ire at what you read as provocation. You have told people on occasions not to be silly rather than address the issue or name call. Don't get me wrong, others do the same. That's not me trying to be personal so apologies if it comes across that way. If words provoke the intelligent souls on here, what do they do if constantly fed to those who are less able to decipher context, facts or able to deliberate as people can on here or have no where to vent their wrath. Well said Cheshire. This debate is very close to creating a demarcation line between the easily led, those who cannot articulate a point, let alone substantiate that point with evidence, and those who do not blindly, or willfully, follow the lead of the current crop of stupid populists.
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Post by icegas on Sept 17, 2024 19:50:30 GMT
You actually think that that is incitement? Seriously? You must live in a really fragile place ! Probably not for you, me, Oldie or Baldrick. But there are people who are bristling with anger fed by people like Farage, Tice, Habib, Yaxley Lennon, etc and the Mail, Telegraph [even more so recently], Express, etc with a constant bombardment of comments and articles blaming the boat people and illegal immigrants, who are roused even further by stupid comments made virtually immediately after an event before the police have had a chance to make any form of announcement. They are waiting for another reason to hate Johnny or Abdul forriner. Yet anyone sensible knows that it is legal immigration that is the problem not the boat people, and that the last Government cut back in every department dealing with the issue from Border Force, asylum applications, police, social services, and so on. And let's be honest words can easily provoke. You yourself have been raised to ire at what you read as provocation. You have told people on occasions not to be silly rather than address the issue or name call. Don't get me wrong, others do the same. That's not me trying to be personal so apologies if it comes across that way. If words provoke the intelligent souls on here, what do they do if constantly fed to those who are less able to decipher context, facts or able to deliberate as people can on here or have no where to vent their wrath. I've been working all day, so sorry to catch this mid conversation, but myself I'm never fuelled up,or made more anger by any words said by Tommy Robinson, Farage or anyone else, and I never read any newspapers..none of them. I trust Tommy Robinson more so than I do Farage for example. See I think..in fact I know, that Tommy Robinson is fighting an honest fight for good regardless of whether you like him or not. Where as Farage likes the attention and limelight. Nigel could have had a greater impact then Tommy in has, but he hasn't as I don't really think he is doing it for the right reasons. Tommy has put his life on the line for his activism, and will probably be killed soon once in prison regardless of your views of him. Question for you? Is there anything that Tommy says that has any truth to it for you? Anything you could agree with him on?... I'm interested. Another question, I agree legal immigration is a far greater problem then illegal immigration is for us, but does that mean we shouldn't talk about the illegals coming into this country on boats and the problems they are causing? What's the point of us being a country if we have no boundaries or boarders ?
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Post by aghast on Sept 17, 2024 23:04:35 GMT
In the meantime Trump carries on with his racist rants. It is quite unbelievable www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-new-attack-on-kamala-harris_n_66e920b7e4b06998fbecbf72This always makes me laugh “Illegal Migrants” are “POURING INTO OUR COUNTRY” and “taking the JOBS away from Black and Hispanic people who have held them for years,” alleged Trump, echoing his previous racist remarks about “Black jobs” being taken by immigrants" What exactly is a "Black Job"? Is the Presidency of the United States a "black job" FFS, It's such a pathetic attempt to appeal to the people he has no real time for, other than their votes, after which he can ignore them. It would be funny if it weren't so damaging.
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Post by aghast on Sept 17, 2024 23:19:42 GMT
Probably not for you, me, Oldie or Baldrick. But there are people who are bristling with anger fed by people like Farage, Tice, Habib, Yaxley Lennon, etc and the Mail, Telegraph [even more so recently], Express, etc with a constant bombardment of comments and articles blaming the boat people and illegal immigrants, who are roused even further by stupid comments made virtually immediately after an event before the police have had a chance to make any form of announcement. They are waiting for another reason to hate Johnny or Abdul forriner. Yet anyone sensible knows that it is legal immigration that is the problem not the boat people, and that the last Government cut back in every department dealing with the issue from Border Force, asylum applications, police, social services, and so on. And let's be honest words can easily provoke. You yourself have been raised to ire at what you read as provocation. You have told people on occasions not to be silly rather than address the issue or name call. Don't get me wrong, others do the same. That's not me trying to be personal so apologies if it comes across that way. If words provoke the intelligent souls on here, what do they do if constantly fed to those who are less able to decipher context, facts or able to deliberate as people can on here or have no where to vent their wrath. I've been working all day, so sorry to catch this mid conversation, but myself I'm never fuelled up,or made more anger by any words said by Tommy Robinson, Farage or anyone else, and I never read any newspapers..none of them. I trust Tommy Robinson more so than I do Farage for example. See I think..in fact I know, that Tommy Robinson is fighting an honest fight for good regardless of whether you like him or not. Where as Farage likes the attention and limelight. Nigel could have had a greater impact then Tommy in has, but he hasn't as I don't really think he is doing it for the right reasons. Tommy has put his life on the line for his activism, and will probably be killed soon once in prison regardless of your views of him. Question for you? Is there anything that Tommy says that has any truth to it for you? Anything you could agree with him on?... I'm interested. Another question, I agree legal immigration is a far greater problem then illegal immigration is for us, but does that mean we shouldn't talk about the illegals coming into this country on boats and the problems they are causing? What's the point of us being a country if we have no boundaries or boarders ? I don't think Robinson says anything at all unless it fits his agenda of stirring up racial unrest. Pointing out that murders and other crimes have been committed by immigrants cannot be disputed (just as the vast majority of the same crimes have been committed by non-immigrants). It's a selective collection of facts designed to make a point and create trouble. He's not a fighter for freedom. He's a manipulative street politician who is clever enough to speak and let others then do his dirty work.
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