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Post by icegas on Sept 16, 2024 21:20:15 GMT
Biden a braindead lame duck president who might do anything,Lammy a braindead gobs**te and Starmer a vain peackock of a man wanting to play on the big stage...and they were talking about actions that could provoke a nuclear power. Lammy calling Putin a fascist imperialist,what a stupid thing for someone in his position to say how can we ever initiate peace talks now ? with his big gob and his tiny brain how did he get his job ? Trump refused to say in that debate if he wanted Ukraine to win,the correct thing to do as when he becomes president he will have toย be seen as impartial to get peace talks going, it comes to something when Trump is the most statesman like politician on the scene. "Lammy calling Putin a fascist imperialist,what a stupid thing for someone in his position to say how can we ever initiate peace talks now ? with his big gob and his tiny brain how did he get his job ?" ..... Probably for the same reason that Diane Abbott is still circling around the political arena! Now who's going to bite, this was a test... lol.
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Post by icegas on Sept 16, 2024 21:26:15 GMT
No, it's a fact. The elections are coming up and it's the only way she will beat Trump. It won't be done via Instagram. What if they kill him - which people are trying....what then? Still around two months to go, but another four if he does win until taking office. Someone could get him by then.
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Post by icegas on Sept 16, 2024 21:28:10 GMT
Musk is doing everything in his power to influence the election, including incitement. Trump will lose, and therefore so will Musk. The result of this will be further incitement and lies, leading to violent riots. Same as the UK when the right lose an election He is Indeed. After utilising $millions in dodgy Russian money to acquire Twitter. If he trashes bonds or shareholder value, that could prove interesting. You can't honestly believe that? ๐๐ง
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Post by icegas on Sept 16, 2024 21:37:03 GMT
If you believe that,you shouldn't be on here having a serious discussion, Pop up. I thought you were better than that. Sorry ice, it's my belief. They were right wing riots, I won't call them far right as I know that will rile you. Trump incited the riots after the last election, same way the right (Farage, Robinson, Musk plus other grifters) incited the UK riots. Then all blamed the government. Colleges and schools had to close again today in Springfield due to bomb and violence threats. This has only occurred since the republican rhetoric that is now in desperation mode as they know they're losing Pop up, we disagree on most things but with respect that is complete rubbish! Where were any riots,or threats of riots here in the UK ...BEFORE, the killing's in Southport? When did ANYONE threaten to riot due to the election results??? No one did..., no one ever have done! Tommy Robinson had a rally for his documentary,which was as peaceful as you can have with around 100,000 people there. Nothing about the election result. You are clutching at straws and fibbing. Meanwhile after the Brexit result... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47678763
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Post by oldie on Sept 16, 2024 21:38:31 GMT
Good read that, thanks oldie ๐๐
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Post by oldie on Sept 16, 2024 21:40:43 GMT
He is Indeed. After utilising $millions in dodgy Russian money to acquire Twitter. If he trashes bonds or shareholder value, that could prove interesting. You can't honestly believe that? ๐๐ง The funders are a matter of record. I think it was Baldrick who listed them. None so blind as those that will not see
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Post by oldie on Sept 16, 2024 21:42:23 GMT
Sorry ice, it's my belief. They were right wing riots, I won't call them far right as I know that will rile you. Trump incited the riots after the last election, same way the right (Farage, Robinson, Musk plus other grifters) incited the UK riots. Then all blamed the government. Colleges and schools had to close again today in Springfield due to bomb and violence threats. This has only occurred since the republican rhetoric that is now in desperation mode as they know they're losing Pop up, we disagree on most things but with respect that is complete rubbish! Where were any riots,or threats of riots here in the UK ...BEFORE, the killing's in Southport? When did ANYONE threaten to riot due to the election results??? No one did..., no one ever have done! Tommy Robinson had a rally for his documentary,which was as peaceful as you can have with around 100,000 people there. Nothing about the election result. You are clutching at straws and fibbing. Meanwhile after the Brexit result... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47678763Why were there no riots before when murders have taken place?
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Post by icegas on Sept 16, 2024 21:42:31 GMT
You can't honestly believe that? ๐๐ง The funders are a matter of record. I think it was Baldrick who listed them. None so blind as those that will not see I love how you make quotes after you say stuff occasionally..lol
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Post by pop up pirate on Sept 16, 2024 21:44:51 GMT
Sorry ice, it's my belief. They were right wing riots, I won't call them far right as I know that will rile you. Trump incited the riots after the last election, same way the right (Farage, Robinson, Musk plus other grifters) incited the UK riots. Then all blamed the government. Colleges and schools had to close again today in Springfield due to bomb and violence threats. This has only occurred since the republican rhetoric that is now in desperation mode as they know they're losing Pop up, we disagree on most things but with respect that is complete rubbish! Where were any riots,or threats of riots here in the UK ...BEFORE, the killing's in Southport? When did ANYONE threaten to riot due to the election results??? No one did..., no one ever have done! Tommy Robinson had a rally for his documentary,which was a peaceful as you can have with around 100,00 people there. Nothing about the election result. You are clutching at straws and fibbing. Meanwhile after the Brexit result... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47678763The right wing riots happened after the election, it's no coincidence. My conspiracy theory might differ from yours, but I'm willing to wager with you that Trump will lose disgracefully and magas will riot
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Post by oldie on Sept 16, 2024 21:45:04 GMT
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Post by icegas on Sept 16, 2024 21:50:46 GMT
Pop up, we disagree on most things but with respect that is complete rubbish! Where were any riots,or threats of riots here in the UK ...BEFORE, the killing's in Southport? When did ANYONE threaten to riot due to the election results??? No one did..., no one ever have done! Tommy Robinson had a rally for his documentary,which was as peaceful as you can have with around 100,000 people there. Nothing about the election result. You are clutching at straws and fibbing. Meanwhile after the Brexit result... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47678763Why were there no riots before when murders have taken place? No, grated. But I thought the general consensus on here,in the media and the story told by our default PM, was that the riots/protests were acted out as every one voicing a concern for the murders of those girls,and mass illegal immigration were doing so as they simply racist and bigoted..?!!? You can't have it both ways, sir. People who challenged people's right to protest were hit by people like yourself and Pop up with the - "your a racist,far right card" ... Nothing was said about it was to do with the Election result by anyone on the left at that time.
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Post by oldie on Sept 16, 2024 21:58:47 GMT
Why were there no riots before when murders have taken place? No, grated. But I thought the general consensus on here,in the media and the story told by our default PM, was that the riots/protests were acted out as every one voicing a concern for the murders of those girls,and mass illegal immigration were doing so as they simply racist and bigoted..?!!? You can't have it both ways, sir. People who challenged people's right to protest were hit by people like yourself and Pop up with the - "your a racist,far right card" ... Nothing was said about it was to do with the Election result by anyone on the left at that time. Whether all the rioters were racist and bigoted, we can never know. That racists, bigots and thugs were very well represented is a matter of record. The killing of those children was just an excuse... Similarly with the Jan 6 riot in DC using Trump's defeat as an excuse
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Post by baldrick on Sept 16, 2024 22:02:44 GMT
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Post by icegas on Sept 16, 2024 22:12:34 GMT
No, grated. But I thought the general consensus on here,in the media and the story told by our default PM, was that the riots/protests were acted out as every one voicing a concern for the murders of those girls,and mass illegal immigration were doing so as they simply racist and bigoted..?!!? You can't have it both ways, sir. People who challenged people's right to protest were hit by people like yourself and Pop up with the - "your a racist,far right card" ... Nothing was said about it was to do with the Election result by anyone on the left at that time. Whether all the rioters were racist and bigoted, we can never know. That racists, bigots and thugs were very well represented is a matter of record. The killing of those children was just an excuse... Similarly with the Jan 6 riot in DC using Trump's defeat as an excuse But what Top up and yourself seem to be suggesting is that the riots were held due to Labour winning the election. The riots had nothing to do with the 'right' kicking off due to Labours win. - Zero.Nothing. It had nothing to do with Starmer being handed the keys by default. And nothing was suggested about that on here at the time, or in the media.
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Post by pop up pirate on Sept 16, 2024 22:52:13 GMT
Whether all the rioters were racist and bigoted, we can never know. That racists, bigots and thugs were very well represented is a matter of record. The killing of those children was just an excuse... Similarly with the Jan 6 riot in DC using Trump's defeat as an excuse But what Top up and yourself seem to be suggesting is that the riots were held due to Labour winning the election. The riots had nothing to do with the 'right' kicking off due to Labours win. - Zero.Nothing. It had nothing to do with Starmer being handed the keys by default. And nothing was suggested about that on here at the time, or in the media. Like I said, my theories differ to yours. The morons that threw the bricks, set light to hotels, attacked blacks randomly etc weren't rioting because the Tories got handed their arses a few weeks earlier. I'm well aware of that. Those fools didn't instigate it though, many of them were just career criminals or impaired. We won't agree on this I'm afraid. I've said the same here before, and don't let the media decide what I believe, but there's no coincidence in the timing just as there won't be in the US.
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Post by aghast on Sept 16, 2024 23:24:05 GMT
But what Top up and yourself seem to be suggesting is that the riots were held due to Labour winning the election. The riots had nothing to do with the 'right' kicking off due to Labours win. - Zero.Nothing. It had nothing to do with Starmer being handed the keys by default. And nothing was suggested about that on here at the time, or in the media. Like I said, my theories differ to yours. The morons that threw the bricks, set light to hotels, attacked blacks randomly etc weren't rioting because the Tories got handed their arses a few weeks earlier. I'm well aware of that. Those fools didn't instigate it though, many of them were just career criminals or impaired. We won't agree on this I'm afraid. I've said the same here before, and don't let the media decide what I believe, but there's no coincidence in the timing just as there won't be in the US. I'm inclined to believe you about the timing of the unrest in the UK. I have no evidence for it, just a feeling that it was strange that it all happened so fast at a time when the Tories had lost so badly and a new Labour government had stepped in. I also have a feeling that a lot of people who read similar social media sources were being fed the incendiary stuff. It's odd how the quotes from so many of them were so similar. Almost as if they'd been reading or watching someone like Tommy Robinson, that misunderstood blameless fellow. Or maybe other right wing sources, many of which seem like echoes of each other. Just an opinion of course. Feel free to dispute it since it's only my thoughts.
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Post by icegas on Sept 17, 2024 1:07:29 GMT
Like I said, my theories differ to yours. The morons that threw the bricks, set light to hotels, attacked blacks randomly etc weren't rioting because the Tories got handed their arses a few weeks earlier. I'm well aware of that. Those fools didn't instigate it though, many of them were just career criminals or impaired. We won't agree on this I'm afraid. I've said the same here before, and don't let the media decide what I believe, but there's no coincidence in the timing just as there won't be in the US. I'm inclined to believe you about the timing of the unrest in the UK. I have no evidence for it, just a feeling that it was strange that it all happened so fast at a time when the Tories had lost so badly and a new Labour government had stepped in. I also have a feeling that a lot of people who read similar social media sources were being fed the incendiary stuff. It's odd how the quotes from so many of them were so similar. Almost as if they'd been reading or watching someone like Tommy Robinson, that misunderstood blameless fellow. Or maybe other right wing sources, many of which seem like echoes of each other. Just an opinion of course. Feel free to dispute it since it's only my thoughts. Whatever side you're on be it right,or left, all the sources from either side echoes others that stand on that same side. The Torries are the same as Labour. People never rioted because the Torries lost and its ridiculous to say that! Labour won by only gaining 9 million votes,it wasn't a victory... they gained the government by default as people wanted the Torries out! The 4 million voters for Reform did so as there is no other party in this country that they can trust, or vote for.A pretty much start up party still attracted 4 million votes because the of the lack of a real party to vote for. Tommy dislikes both party's equally. The riots had nothing to do with labour winning. If it was politically driven ( which it wasn't) most of the anger would have been aimed at the Torries as they were in power from the past 14 years!
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Post by baldrick on Sept 17, 2024 6:30:21 GMT
Losing in what way do you mean in regards to Musk? How again, is Trump a danger? 4 years previous record of peace, and people still say the same rhetoric about him,and there is no proof! It's said purely due to the dislike of the man. Musk has brought,and kept open the only platform of complete free speech available today. Musk is doing everything in his power to influence the election, including incitement. Trump will lose, and therefore so will Musk. The result of this will be further incitement and lies, leading to violent riots. Same as the UK when the right lose an election The tweet has been deleted. "The US Secret Service says it is "aware" of a social media post by Elon Musk in which he said that "no one is even trying" to assassinate President Joe Biden or Vice-president Kamala Harris. Mr Musk has since deleted the post and said it was intended as a joke. His post on X, formerly Twitter, came just hours after the suspected attempted assassination of Donald Trump at his golf course in Florida on Sunday." www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74882jq39vo
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Post by pop up pirate on Sept 17, 2024 6:47:33 GMT
I'm inclined to believe you about the timing of the unrest in the UK. I have no evidence for it, just a feeling that it was strange that it all happened so fast at a time when the Tories had lost so badly and a new Labour government had stepped in. I also have a feeling that a lot of people who read similar social media sources were being fed the incendiary stuff. It's odd how the quotes from so many of them were so similar. Almost as if they'd been reading or watching someone like Tommy Robinson, that misunderstood blameless fellow. Or maybe other right wing sources, many of which seem like echoes of each other. Just an opinion of course. Feel free to dispute it since it's only my thoughts. Whatever side you're on be it right,or left, all the sources from either side echoes others that stand on that same side. The Torries are the same as Labour. People never rioted because the Torries lost and its ridiculous to say that! Labour won by only gaining 9 million votes,it wasn't a victory... they gained the government by default as people wanted the Torries out! The 4 million voters for Reform did so as there is no other party in this country that they can trust, or vote for.A pretty much start up party still attracted 4 million votes because the of the lack of a real party to vote for. Tommy dislikes both party's equally. The riots had nothing to do with labour winning. If it was politically driven ( which it wasn't) most of the anger would have been aimed at the Torries as they were in power from the past 14 years! I didn't say that people rioted because the Tories lost. Many of the rioters sentenced likely aren't political thinkers at all, and were either looking for an excuse to throw bricks angrily or were acting out against who they've been told the fault is for their lack of achievements. Those people aren't the reason the riots happened. Like you pointed out, they've had 14 years to kick off and it would be ridiculous to blame a party 4 weeks in wouldn't it ? That though, is very different to saying the cause of the rioting and the timing of the rioting had nothing to do with the change of government. I'll say it differently, those that have an interest in destabilising the country for their own ends did, and continue to, at this particular point in time. I don't believe that's coincidental.
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Post by oldie on Sept 17, 2024 6:47:34 GMT
Musk is doing everything in his power to influence the election, including incitement. Trump will lose, and therefore so will Musk. The result of this will be further incitement and lies, leading to violent riots. Same as the UK when the right lose an election The tweet has been deleted. "The US Secret Service says it is "aware" of a social media post by Elon Musk in which he said that "no one is even trying" to assassinate President Joe Biden or Vice-president Kamala Harris. Mr Musk has since deleted the post and said it was intended as a joke. His post on X, formerly Twitter, came just hours after the suspected attempted assassination of Donald Trump at his golf course in Florida on Sunday." www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74882jq39voWhat an idiot. One of the issues here is how easily some people are led to believe social media without checking the details. Equally I do believe that people like Musk, Trump and so many in the States know exactly what they are doing. As does the likes of Farage and Reform in the UK. Crossing topics a bit, look at what Farage put out after the murders of those poor girls. The useful idiots followed his lead.
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