oldie
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Post by oldie on May 28, 2024 10:05:32 GMT
Everyone should be concerned about what is going on in Palestine, it would be sub human not to be moved by that horror. Selective antisemitism. Of course it's all tragic,but Hamas are happy with it.All part of their strategy. If you are going to continually accuse me of anti semitism I suppose it's ok to call you a racist? Is that right?
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Post by Nobbygas on May 28, 2024 10:16:16 GMT
I saw the picture of that abducted semi - dressed young girl being drove through the streets of Gaza on the back of that scooter while Palestinians celebrated on on the streets , not 1 /2 , hundreds , the terrified look on her face will live with me forever The old lady being drove through the streets on what looked like a golf cart while again hundreds of Palestinians celebrated Neither of these 2 people have you ever shown any compassion for ?? Whilst those nnocent sailors were having rockets fired at them your only concern was the Yemeni terroists who were firing the rockets being bombed Not one bit of concern about the American servicemen who were killed by rockets fired by Iranian / Yemeni terroists from you ? Where’s your condemnation of the rockets that were fired by hamas at the weekend ? So no I’m not bothered about Palestinians, not one of them stepped forward to help that terrified girl , they celebrated, imagine celebrating when a terrified young girl is dragged through the street in front of you , but but the poor Palestinians If they want my compassion they should of stepped forward and helped that young girl , they didn’t , they celebrated So no not bothered about Palestinians I always wonder what happened to that young girl , I probably don’t want to know , she’s Israeli so I doubt you’d give her a second thought . An eye for an eye. Does this work? Quoting an "eye for an eye" is a bit simplistic Oldie. What do you think the Israeli response should have been to Oct 7th?
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Post by baselswh on May 28, 2024 10:17:38 GMT
Selective antisemitism. Of course it's all tragic,but Hamas are happy with it.All part of their strategy. If you are going to continually accuse me of anti semitism I suppose it's ok to call you a racist? Is that right? You are selective,ar'nt you. You are a Hamas sympathiser,out of the woodwork to have ago at Jewish people. Part of the Hamas plans is to see Palestinians killed,so they can claim victimhood against Israel on an international stage. Being called a racist by hysterical BLM,Hamas ( or whatever it is on any particular week ) sympathisers has no value,could'nt careless. Your posts have been quite poor lately.
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Post by oldie on May 28, 2024 11:34:59 GMT
An eye for an eye. Does this work? Quoting an "eye for an eye" is a bit simplistic Oldie. What do you think the Israeli response should have been to Oct 7th? You of all people Nobby knows that the situation in regard to Palestinians will not be resolved by violence. Ultimately this has to be a negotiated settlement which recognises a Palestinian State and guarantees the security of Israel and it's citizens. HAMAS has to be cut out, and a proper Palestinian Government put in place. Terrorising Israelis and killing Palestinian women and children will achieve nothing.
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Post by ltdgas on May 28, 2024 11:47:05 GMT
I saw the picture of that abducted semi - dressed young girl being drove through the streets of Gaza on the back of that scooter while Palestinians celebrated on on the streets , not 1 /2 , hundreds , the terrified look on her face will live with me forever The old lady being drove through the streets on what looked like a golf cart while again hundreds of Palestinians celebrated Neither of these 2 people have you ever shown any compassion for ?? Whilst those nnocent sailors were having rockets fired at them your only concern was the Yemeni terroists who were firing the rockets being bombed Not one bit of concern about the American servicemen who were killed by rockets fired by Iranian / Yemeni terroists from you ? Where’s your condemnation of the rockets that were fired by hamas at the weekend ? So no I’m not bothered about Palestinians, not one of them stepped forward to help that terrified girl , they celebrated, imagine celebrating when a terrified young girl is dragged through the street in front of you , but but the poor Palestinians If they want my compassion they should of stepped forward and helped that young girl , they didn’t , they celebrated So no not bothered about Palestinians I always wonder what happened to that young girl , I probably don’t want to know , she’s Israeli so I doubt you’d give her a second thought . An eye for an eye. Does this work? 100% , I want payback for that young girl
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Post by ltdgas on May 28, 2024 11:58:26 GMT
Quoting an "eye for an eye" is a bit simplistic Oldie. What do you think the Israeli response should have been to Oct 7th? You of all people Nobby knows that the situation in regard to Palestinians will not be resolved by violence. Ultimately this has to be a negotiated settlement which recognises a Palestinian State and guarantees the security of Israel and it's citizens. HAMAS has to be cut out, and a proper Palestinian Government put in place. Terrorising Israelis and killing Palestinian women and children will achieve nothing. Terrorising Israelis , wtf , hamas Killed Israelis , I think you’re on some kind of stupid wind up , or you bloody are stupid
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Post by oldie on May 28, 2024 12:19:40 GMT
An eye for an eye. Does this work? 100% , I want payback for that young girl The Qur'an Surat 5 "And We ordained therein for them: "Life for life[], eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation." Funny how those who so decry Islam choose to live by it.
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Post by oldie on May 28, 2024 12:22:39 GMT
You of all people Nobby knows that the situation in regard to Palestinians will not be resolved by violence. Ultimately this has to be a negotiated settlement which recognises a Palestinian State and guarantees the security of Israel and it's citizens. HAMAS has to be cut out, and a proper Palestinian Government put in place. Terrorising Israelis and killing Palestinian women and children will achieve nothing. Terrorising Israelis , wtf , hamas Killed Israelis , I think you’re on some kind of stupid wind up , or you bloody are stupid Can I politely suggest you try and comprehend what is written
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Post by Nobbygas on May 28, 2024 12:27:29 GMT
"HAMAS has to be cut out, and a proper Palestinian Government put in place." - I'd love to hear how this could be achieved! However, this is what Israel are attempting to do, especially the "Hamas has to be cut out' bit, so you should be supporting them !
"Ultimately this has to be a negotiated settlement which recognises a Palestinian State and guarantees the security of Israel and it's citizens." - The Palestinians have been offered their own state. They've been offered the two-state solution, and every time they have rejected it. Hamas refuse to negotiate. They state, quite clearly, that they will not stop the violence until Israel no longer exists. I also think Israel will laugh at any attempt by the Palestinians to 'guarantee the security of Israel and it's citizens'!
Nice words Oldie, 'negotiated settlement' etc, but it will never happen.
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Post by oldie on May 28, 2024 12:41:09 GMT
"HAMAS has to be cut out, and a proper Palestinian Government put in place." - I'd love to hear how this could be achieved! However, this is what Israel are attempting to do, especially the "Hamas has to be cut out' bit, so you should be supporting them ! "Ultimately this has to be a negotiated settlement which recognises a Palestinian State and guarantees the security of Israel and it's citizens." - The Palestinians have been offered their own state. They've been offered the two-state solution, and every time they have rejected it. Hamas refuse to negotiate. They state, quite clearly, that they will not stop the violence until Israel no longer exists. I also think Israel will laugh at any attempt by the Palestinians to 'guarantee the security of Israel and it's citizens'! Nice words Oldie, 'negotiated settlement' etc, but it will never happen. It has to happen. It starts by recognising the failure in history and the catastrophe that beset the Palestine in 1948. That recognition will help psychology at least. Israel has to get off it's high horse of entitlement, founded upon their choice of religion and interpretation of history. Arab states must express their support for a free election in a guaranteed Palestinian State. And help fund it's setting up. Palestinian's for this have to accept that there is no return to pre 1948, for the sake of the children to come. Anything else is to perpetuate this senseless violence. It doesn't help when we have ignorant half witted lunatics in our country egging on violence in a sick blood lust of revenge. And they have the vote. Democracy eh...
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Post by ltdgas on May 28, 2024 12:43:15 GMT
Terrorising Israelis , wtf , hamas Killed Israelis , I think you’re on some kind of stupid wind up , or you bloody are stupid Can I politely suggest you try and comprehend what is written I know exactly what your trying to do , make out Oct 7 th never happened , it was just a few rockets fired across the border Strange how you believe every word comming out from hamas about what’s happening in Gaza , yet when we’ve reporters saying they were physically sick / couldn’t sleep after seeing the videos of What hamas / Palestinians ( oh yes hamas said palestians were with them on Oct 7 ) did to people on that day , strange you just call it just a bit of terrorism .
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Post by ltdgas on May 28, 2024 12:49:54 GMT
Tories to bring in triple lock + , labour saying no we won’t , can see this comming back to bite them on ass , labour mp on tv getting in a right state over this , I’m not voting tory , I’m not a pensioner, but if I was a pensioner my vote would be going tory, old Jeff up road (pensioner ) , is changing from labour to tory over this
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Post by ltdgas on May 28, 2024 13:03:36 GMT
Dear oh dear , labour showing there true colours Oldham labour council for years have been blocking investigations into grooming gangs in the town , after recent elections they lost control & independents have now managed to push these investigations through ( threats being made against the people calling for these investigations ) Strange how this has been kept out the main stream media , strange as starmer keeps telling us how he was in charge of the cps yet for years he’s allowed a labour council to stop prosecution of these grooming gangs , apparently he’s going to crack down on people smuggling gangs , seems young girls being abused isn’t so important !!!!!! Disgusting ,more to come out no doubt
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Post by oldie on May 28, 2024 15:01:35 GMT
Tories to bring in triple lock + , labour saying no we won’t , can see this comming back to bite them on ass , labour mp on tv getting in a right state over this , I’m not voting tory , I’m not a pensioner, but if I was a pensioner my vote would be going tory, old Jeff up road (pensioner ) , is changing from labour to tory over this It was the Tories that stopped the raising of the Tax threshold (triple lock + to quote you) But you knew that, right? No? Oh...
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Post by Nobbygas on May 28, 2024 15:07:57 GMT
Quoting an "eye for an eye" is a bit simplistic Oldie. What do you think the Israeli response should have been to Oct 7th? You of all people Nobby knows that the situation in regard to Palestinians will not be resolved by violence. Ultimately this has to be a negotiated settlement which recognises a Palestinian State and guarantees the security of Israel and it's citizens. HAMAS has to be cut out, and a proper Palestinian Government put in place. Terrorising Israelis and killing Palestinian women and children will achieve nothing. So, on Oct 8th after finding out that over 1200 of your people had been kidnapped, murdered, horrifically mutilated, raped, beheaded etc, what do you think the Israelis should have done? Organise a mass candle lit vigil? Conduct a mass leaflet campaign drop over Gaza asking them not to do it again? Write a strongly worded letter to the UN in a harsh font? There was only ever going to be one response from Israel, and the Palestinians knew that. Your words about a 'negotiate settlement' are plain nonsense. You say install a Palestinian government? I assume you mean that they should hold an election. What happens if Hamas get voted in again? Their last election went well didn't it! You don't seem to respond to the fact that the Palestinians have been offered their own State many times and have rejected it, and that goes back to the days of Arafat! You know why they rejected it? It's because they don't want what they currently have and they feel that by accepting becoming a State that their goal, their stated intention of destroying Israel would be gone. The Palestinians are not interested in becoming a State. They are not interested in a negotiated settlement. I do believe the cry is "from the river to the sea"? They will not stop until they have achieved that. Good luck to the Israelis. They are doing the whole world a service by eliminating all the terror groups in Gaza.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 28, 2024 15:09:33 GMT
"HAMAS has to be cut out, and a proper Palestinian Government put in place." - I'd love to hear how this could be achieved! However, this is what Israel are attempting to do, especially the "Hamas has to be cut out' bit, so you should be supporting them ! "Ultimately this has to be a negotiated settlement which recognises a Palestinian State and guarantees the security of Israel and it's citizens." - The Palestinians have been offered their own state. They've been offered the two-state solution, and every time they have rejected it. Hamas refuse to negotiate. They state, quite clearly, that they will not stop the violence until Israel no longer exists. I also think Israel will laugh at any attempt by the Palestinians to 'guarantee the security of Israel and it's citizens'! Nice words Oldie, 'negotiated settlement' etc, but it will never happen. It has to happen. It starts by recognising the failure in history and the catastrophe that beset the Palestine in 1948. That recognition will help psychology at least. Israel has to get off it's high horse of entitlement, founded upon their choice of religion and interpretation of history. Arab states must express their support for a free election in a guaranteed Palestinian State. And help fund it's setting up. Palestinian's for this have to accept that there is no return to pre 1948, for the sake of the children to come. Anything else is to perpetuate this senseless violence. It doesn't help when we have ignorant half witted lunatics in our country egging on violence in a sick blood lust of revenge. And they have the vote. Democracy eh...In bold, are you talking about Hamas there?
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Post by lostinspace on May 28, 2024 16:00:48 GMT
I see that Spain Norway and Eire have acknowledged a Palestinian state.... interesting ...or controversial?
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Post by oldie on May 28, 2024 16:21:23 GMT
It has to happen. It starts by recognising the failure in history and the catastrophe that beset the Palestine in 1948. That recognition will help psychology at least. Israel has to get off it's high horse of entitlement, founded upon their choice of religion and interpretation of history. Arab states must express their support for a free election in a guaranteed Palestinian State. And help fund it's setting up. Palestinian's for this have to accept that there is no return to pre 1948, for the sake of the children to come. Anything else is to perpetuate this senseless violence. It doesn't help when we have ignorant half witted lunatics in our country egging on violence in a sick blood lust of revenge. And they have the vote. Democracy eh...In bold, are you talking about Hamas there? I could be, the same applies
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Post by Nobbygas on May 28, 2024 16:35:12 GMT
I see that Spain Norway and Eire have acknowledged a Palestinian state.... interesting ...or controversial? Ridiculous. How can you call 'Palestine' a state. Define Palestine. Is this just Gaza? How do you recognize a place ran by terrorists? What is the point when the Palestinians themselves don't want a State, unless it involves the complete destruction of Israel and all the Jews in the region.
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Post by Nobbygas on May 28, 2024 16:35:54 GMT
In bold, are you talking about Hamas there? I could be, the same applies I don't think you can compare the UK to Gaza somehow.
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