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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 10, 2024 13:48:46 GMT
Tax is too high across the board. We all know that, yet both Labour and the Tories are telling us lies about the taxes they will raise. I want a government, any government, that will say, "hey, we already take too much from you. We will reduce taxation and instead of spending our time thinking up new ways to fleece you, we're going to direct our time, energy and resources to make sure the money we receive is spent wisely.".
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2024 14:10:50 GMT
Tax is too high across the board. We all know that, yet both Labour and the Tories are telling us lies about the taxes they will raise. I want a government, any government, that will say, "hey, we already take too much from you. We will reduce taxation and instead of spending our time thinking up new ways to fleece you, we're going to direct our time, energy and resources to make sure the money we receive is spent wisely.". Sure But what do you think of this Reform Party proposal?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 10, 2024 14:12:37 GMT
Here you go Oldie, a quick search produces this beauty. As I said, there are idiots in all of the parties.....
"Starmer’s Labour may be a broad church, though Guido suspects one of its candidates will send shivers down some of his comrades’ spines. Labour’s candidate for Welwyn Hatfield, the seat currently held by Grant Shapps, works as director of communications for the Clarion Housing Group, the UK’s largest social landlord and bête noire to Labour and the unions alike. Andrew Lewin’s firm, which is condemned as one of the worst social landlords in Britain, has got 260 official fines or penalties since 2010. It was condemned by Labour members of the London assembly for leaving 1,500 estate residents in squalor and dishing out bonuses to the Chief Executive. Unite called it the “Sports Direct of housing associations” after it tried to cut sick pay. That might make for some awkward meetings if Lewin is elected…
The Housing Ombudsman says that 53.6% of complaints against it resulted in findings of maladministration – that puts it squarely in the worst 5% of all social landlords in the country. Clarion was one of only four of 1,738 social landlords subject to “special investigation” by the Housing Ombudsman in 2022/3 – it’s also been in Unite’s crosshairs for years after trying to derecognise unions company-wide. Which side will Lewin take when Clarion fights with the unions over fire and rehire, or when it is condemned by former unison leader Lord Prentis in Parliament? Is Labour so broad a church that a director of one of the worst social landlords in the country is accepted without a squeak?"
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 10, 2024 14:22:28 GMT
Tax is too high across the board. We all know that, yet both Labour and the Tories are telling us lies about the taxes they will raise. I want a government, any government, that will say, "hey, we already take too much from you. We will reduce taxation and instead of spending our time thinking up new ways to fleece you, we're going to direct our time, energy and resources to make sure the money we receive is spent wisely.". Sure But what do you think of this Reform Party proposal? Raising the base level to 20,000 is a good idea. Both Labour and the Tories have promised not to raise Income Tax, but what they don't tell you is that they will freeze the thresholds, thereby dragging more people into paying tax, especially with inflation driving higher wages. As you know, this is called Fiscal Drag and the Tories have been doing this. Fiscal Drag also means far more people are now paying the 40% tax rate as their wages have increased. This policy will benefit those lower earners. Do you object to that? Not paying interest to the BoE? A bit complicated for me, but it does appear as though a lot of money is being earned by those who lent at the low rates of interest but are now cashing in as the interest rates have risen. Raising VAT threshold from 90,000 to 150,000 for small businesses. Once again, anything that helps business grow is a good thing as it creates jobs leading to an easing of pressure on the benefits system, increases the tax take and helps put more money into the economy. Do you object to that?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 10, 2024 14:28:47 GMT
It boils my piss when I see how much the government take from me already and I know they are now planning to take more. Expect Labour to hike up Inheritance Tax, Stamp Duty, Capital Gains Tax, Corporation Tax, Road Tax, Council Tax. We know they are planning a tax raid on the North Sea industry, which will be paid by the consumer ie. us. We know that in London they are planning to bring in a 'tax a mile' for transport. How long before that is spread across the UK? I expect tax rises across the board, except for Income, VAT and NI, however as I have said, Income and NI will have an increased tax income for the government as they will freeze the thresholds.
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2024 15:14:12 GMT
"Not paying interest to the BoE? A bit complicated for me, but it does appear as though a lot of money is being earned by those who lent at the low rates of interest but are now cashing in as the interest rates have risen."
So when the Government needed to inject cash into the economy when markets got really tight they bought back Government bonds purchased by finance houses on the open market. That increased liquidity. I had always they just printed money. But it appears that they funded the buy back by using bank deposits and paid interest on those deposits. Quite clever really. I presume these were on a contract with the BoE.
Now Reform are saying they will unilaterally revoke those contracts and stop paying interest. Which will destroy trust, nobody will ever get involved with that again. God help us if we ever need to inject liquidity into the markets again.
Appears like another headline grabbing simplistic policy announcement to me.
Par for the course.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 10, 2024 16:12:16 GMT
No comment on the other tax issues?
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2024 16:23:10 GMT
No comment on the other tax issues? Did Reform make an announcement on other tax issues? I did see that Farage said that we could save billions by cutting out diversity training! 😂😂😂 Made me laugh. I will watch for other tax related announcements from them
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Post by ltdgas on Jun 10, 2024 17:49:30 GMT
Even though I’ve spent most of my working life in unions I’m not a fan , but , I like what unite are pushing for , retirement age of 65 , ridiculous when you see it’s gone upto 67 , then 68 I believe 65 is enough for anyone .
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2024 17:54:08 GMT
Even though I’ve spent most of my working life in unions I’m not a fan , but , I like what unite are pushing for , retirement age of 65 , ridiculous when you see it’s gone upto 67 , then 68 I believe 65 is enough for anyone . We cannot afford it
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Post by ltdgas on Jun 10, 2024 18:32:58 GMT
Even though I’ve spent most of my working life in unions I’m not a fan , but , I like what unite are pushing for , retirement age of 65 , ridiculous when you see it’s gone upto 67 , then 68 I believe 65 is enough for anyone . We cannot afford it Another pensioner who’s long retired , expecting everyone else to work longer to pay for it 🙄🙄
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2024 18:46:40 GMT
Another pensioner who’s long retired , expecting everyone else to work longer to pay for it 🙄🙄 Maths not your strong point?
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 10, 2024 19:44:28 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/1440/cpsprodpb/12315/production/_133371547_sunak_interview_hero.jpgNick Robinson, Presenter, Radio 4 Today.I've just come out of my interview with the prime minister. For half an hour or so I quizzed Rishi Sunak about his D-Day apology and the political threat he faces from Nigel Farage; his promises on the NHS, controlling our borders and taxation; the warnings that whoever is in power next will have to cut spending on public services and on the Tories' record from 14 years in power. Rishi Sunak has admitted that affording a home under the Conservatives has "got harder" in an interview with the BBC's Nick Robinson. Towards the end their of the conversation, the prime minister was told how people in their 30s are having to live with their parents much later than they'd like to because they can't afford rent or a deposit to buy. "Having your own home has got harder under a Conservative government, hasn't it?" Nick Robinson says. "It has got harder, and I want to make sure that it's easier," Sunak replies. "What we will do is not just build homes in the right places... but make sure that we support young people into great jobs so they can save for that deposit". ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/6/10/a73f8b84-337d-484e-904e-b172d2890164.jpgHe says the Conservative manifesto - which is due to be published in full tomorrow - will include tax cuts: "We're going to keep cutting people's taxes. You'll see that in our manifesto tomorrow." Challenged over how he'll fund his policies, Sunak says they're all "fully funded and costed". In the spring Budget, the government announced a 2p tax cut to National Insurance for 27 million workers - matching another reduction set out in last year's Autumn Statement. The Conservatives have also said they want to abolish National Insurance completely in the long-term, when it is deemed affordable to do so. The party's manifesto, which will outline what it plans to do if it wins the election, is expected to include a pledge to scrap stamp duty for first-time buyers of properties costing up to £425,000. ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/6/10/f5a557c1-0f62-4b1b-bd7e-735dabd4b0bf.jpgNick Robinson asks if Sunak feels as though it hasn't stopped raining since the day he stood outside No 10 (in the rain) to call the election. Sunak ignores the joke and says he's been "out and about every day", talking to people about the choice they have at this election. He reiterates that his "plan is working", and "we have turned a corner" on issues like the economy. Next, Robinson shows Sunak a photo of the international D-Day event that he apologised for missing last week. It shows his Foreign Secretary stood next to the leaders of France, Germany and the US. ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/6/10/6ae79fce-2b5d-4ac6-afd0-19bf16168399.jpgSunak says he never meant to cause hurt or offence, which is why he's "apologised unreservedly" for the mistake. "I hope people can find it within their hearts to forgive me," he says. Pushed on whether he understands that many believed it was Sunak's duty to be there, and he wasn't, Sunak says he'd like to be judged on his record on veterans - including having a minister dedicated to their issues. i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/06/09/18/85902203-13511143-image-a-1_1717954791616.jpgRobinson relays comments by Reform UK leader Nigel Farage, who said the D-Day controversy suggested Sunak didn't understand "our culture, our history". "Is he playing with fire, by bringing your heritage into this argument?" he asks. Sunak replies: "Well, Nigel Farage can answer what he exactly he meant by those comments. I'm not going to get involved in that, because I don't think it's good for our country or our politics. Now, obviously I disagree with him." Robinson puts it to Sunak that many Conservatives think Farage is more of a Conservative than him. Sunak says: "A vote for anyone who's not a Conservative candidate is just making it more likely that Keir Starmer [becomes prime minister]," he says. There's just one more thing to add - for this and the other six interviews with party leaders I will do - he was not told the questions in advance and what you see is everything that was recorded.
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 10, 2024 19:59:20 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/6/10/24c6108d-80db-4150-a171-3cf522302a0b.jpgTax cuts to come in tomorrow's manifesto, Sunak saysRobinson puts to Sunak that the Tories have proposed several expensive election policies and asks whether they've found a "magic money tree". Sunak says all his policies would be "fully funded and costed", prompting Robinson to ask if his party manifesto - which will be released tomorrow - will announce further tax cuts. Sunak replies: "We will have a manifesto... that, yes, does continue to cut people's taxes - because I believe in a country where people's hard work is rewarded." Robinson asks Sunak whether he's "got a bit of a nerve" going after Labour on taxes, considering the total tax bill under Sunak - first as chancellor, then as prime minister - has gone up by "£93bn a year". The pandemic and energy crisis have been big factors, the PM says, insisting it was right for the government to intervene and help people who needed it at the time. "But now, taxes are being cut - the average tax rate faced by a typical person in work is the lowest it's been in over half a century," he tells Robinson. There's a heated back and forth now about tax, with Robinson cutting in to say people are set to pay more income tax under Tory plans and again asks how the prime minister can say he's cutting taxes. Sunak repeats his claim that the "average worker is facing the lowest tax rate in over 50 years", to which Robinson says Sunak is talking about tax thresholds, describing the claims as "convenient". The PM then interrupts to say that it's tax thresholds combined with the rate, and that rate is the "lowest it has been for 50 years". ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/6/10/e3b47dce-d0fc-4448-9e83-5bbf9ee77ac9.jpgSunak refuses to back down on £2,000 Labour tax claimRobinson now turns to a row that developed last week after the first TV debate of the election campaign between Sunak and Starmer. During the debate, Sunak said Labour would raise taxes by £2,000 and that the figure had been costed by "independent Treasury officials". The Treasury's top civil servant went on to distance his department from the figure. Asked why he's continuing to quote the number, when the UK statistics watchdog has called it misleading, Sunak says "because it's right - and the choice at this election is clear: we're going to keep cutting people's taxes... the Labour Party are going to keep putting taxes up". Sunak says the £2,000 figure is a result of 27 policies being "totted up" - 21 of which he says "are produced by independent Treasury officials". He says three come from "other government sources", two from "the Labour Party themselves" and one from "an independent investment bank". Robinson says the way the figure was presented - as though it would happen over a year, rather than four - is not something "any economist" would do, to which Sunak insists Labour would hike taxes and he doesn't want to see that happen. Starmer last week accused Sunak of lying over the claim. For context: BBC Verify previously analysed the Conservatives' £2,000 tax claim and concluded that they risked misleading people. ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/6/10/38199f60-e97d-4566-b368-7e40779ab0ee.jpgRobinson suggests that the prime minister is offering voters lots of new "treats", while insisting spending won't have to come down and taxes won't rise. He asks if Sunak is possibly starting to sound "a bit like [former prime minister] Liz Truss", who resigned after less than 50 days in office when she and her chancellor introduced a £45bn package of unfunded tax cuts - including a cut to the top rate of income tax - which panicked the markets. "Not at all, actually," Sunak says, adding that his plans would be funded by a crack down on tax evasion and avoidance, as well as reforms to the welfare system. I'm proud of the last 14 years, Sunak saysFinally, Nick Robinson asks Rishi Sunak whether he thinks the Conservatives deserve another five years in power. He says many viewers have been contacting the BBC saying that "nothing works - they can't get GP and dentist appointments, the trains don't run on time, sewage gets pumped into the rivers". Sunak says Robinson has failed to mention the Conservative education reform - "our children are the best readers in the Western world" - and repeats that this election is about the future and building on the progress already made. He lists promises that he's been making during this interview and the election campaign (such as the enhanced pension triple lock, migration coming down and getting to net zero), again attacking Labour for asking for a "blank cheque" without making clear which taxes will be raised. Robinson then lists the "broken promises" of previous Tory prime ministers, to which Sunak says no government gets everything right - but says "I am proud of what's been achieved over the last 14 years". And with that, the BBC's first leader interview of this campaign draws to a close. Stay tuned for more analysis.
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2024 21:10:55 GMT
Anyone actually watch the Panorama interview? (as opposed to reading a transcript)
Sunak came across as a little boy
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Post by oldie on Jun 11, 2024 7:23:53 GMT
After the blow out job creation numbers in the States for May, today we are given the UK numbers.
"The unemployment rate has unexpectedly risen to its highest level for two and a half years, official figures show."
Oh dear. Let's hope Starmer is more Joe Biden than the loons in the GOP.
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 11, 2024 7:35:20 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/1440/cpsprodpb/4413/production/_133372471_sunak-livehero1.jpgThe Conservatives are promising a further 2p cut in employee National Insurance, as they publish their election manifesto later this morning Prime Minister Rishi Sunak says a Tory government will help working people "keep more of the money you earn" Sunak also announces a stamp duty cut for some first time buyers, a new Help to Buy scheme, and tax cuts for landlords who sell to tenants Labour say the ideas are "the most expensive panic attack in history", and are setting out their own pledges - including creating an extra 100,000 dental appointments for children
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 11, 2024 7:38:31 GMT
Energy drink ban for under-16s would stop children becoming 'wired' - Wes Streeting.ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/6/11/c2df17eb-f1b9-4ada-94fc-27fd58c87ddb.jpgFirst, Streeting is asked about Labour's plans to stop the sale of high-caffeine energy drinks to under-16s. He says he "applauds" supermarkets who currently ban selling them to children but the current scheme is "voluntary". "Parents and teachers have told us about the impact of these products", he says, and they are having "really serious" effects on children's concentration and sleep, saying some children are "wired". Streeting says "we need consistency everywhere", and more broadly his party is trying to take more "preventative action". Labour plans more emergency dentist appointmentsStreeting says Labour is committed to rebuilding NHS dentistry - that's going to include an extra 700,000 emergency dentistry appointments being created, 100,000 of those earmarked for children. It's part of a £1.6bn package to "take action on waiting times", he tells BBC Breakfast. He says Labour will "help make sure those people in pain and agony" will be able to get the emergency dentistry they need. Streeting emphasises that longer term, there needs to be contract reform. He says on the Monday after the election, if Labour wins, he'll hold talks with the British Dental Association about this - adding that many dentists are in the private sector. On that note, he says there's a "horrible status quo" where those who can afford to go private do, while "poor people" get a "poor service". ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/6/11/740a16f6-6840-411e-a8a8-b502d49a2fb7.jpgSally Nugent asks Streeting if they would increase capital gains tax - after previously ruling out increases in income tax rates, National Insurance, VAT and corporation tax. Capital gains tax is paid on profits from selling an asset, and is set at a lower rate than income tax. Streeting says he "can certainly confirm not a single policy in that manifesto requires Labour to increase capital gains tax". We can't match Tories' pledge to cut National Insurance - StreetingAsked if Labour would match the Conservative promise to cut 2p from National Insurance, Streeting says they're not able to make that commitment because "the money simply isn't there". He says Rishi Sunak is "taking people for fools" and there's the choice between the "irresponsible Conservative party with a record of economic vandalism or a responsible Labour that's being honest with the country". He says every promise Labour makes is one the country "can afford" and that Sunak "can't say that".
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 11, 2024 7:50:49 GMT
It really doesn't matter what Rishi 'pledges' (a pledge is an aspiration - bit like everything that comes out of SKS mouth). People aren't listening or don't believe him. The latest poll has the Tories at 'near death experience' levels. Con 19, Lab 45, Ref 17 Libs 10 Gr 5 SNP 3. In Scotland Labour are trouncing the SNP by 10% points. Even better news for Labour. Reflected in seats: Con 53 (-322) Lab 513 (+316) LibDem 57 (+57) Reform 0 (though with focussing on key constituencies likely to be between 1 and 3). SNP 3 (-45) I don't think it will be quite this bad for the Tories, due to the silent right wing vote. But it is still going to be an absolute bloodbath. Edit: Using www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html (I assume 50% tactical voting across the board and Scotland Lab 10% up on SNP).
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 11, 2024 7:55:02 GMT
It really doesn't matter what Rishi 'pledges' (a pledge is an aspiration - bit like everything that comes out of SKS mouth). People aren't listening or don't believe him. The latest poll has the Tories at 'near death experience' levels. Con 19, Lab 45, Ref 17 Libs 10 Gr 5 SNP 3. In Scotland Labour are trouncing the SNP by 10% points. Even better news for Labour. Reflected in seats: Con 53 (-322) Lab 513 (+316) LibDem 57 (+57) Reform 0 (though with focussing on key constituencies likely to be between 1 and 3). SNP 3 (-45) I don't think it will be quite this bad for the Tories, due to the silent right wing vote. But it is still going to be an absolute bloodbath. Edit: Using www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html (I assume 50% tactical voting across the board and Scotland Lab 10% up on SNP). I think that's a pretty accurate summary.
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