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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jun 9, 2024 10:13:21 GMT
Would make good politicians our leaders over the centuries.Lots of talk but very little action.'Be Patient' is the cry.At 78 time is running out for that .Seeing other clubs new infrastructure when we travel away shows it IS possible.
When UWE was being promised one group had arranged a webcam so that those of us who worship from afar could watch it grow.Having visited smaller clubs training set ups at Shrewsbury and Exeter recently they have just got on with it.Exeter have so much going on at theirs with youth coaching and junior tournaments it is quite uplifting.
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 9, 2024 10:49:42 GMT
Exeter are fan owned. Looks like they are moving in the right direction.
Enfield Town are fan owned. They've just been promoted to National League South.
Clapton Community FC are fan owned. Attract crowds that average around 440 - in tier ten!
Bath City are fan owned. Very nice set up at Twerton Park. Good luck to them.
All German Clubs are effectively fan owned. (50+1% rule). Cheap tickets. Beers on the terrace. Stadiums with real atmosphere.
When supporters 'own', they care. They really care. And that ownership model ensures sustainability. No sugar Daddy to bail you out.
I think that maybe some kind of fan-ownership could be the way forward for Rovers.
Or just cross your fingers that the next owners have deep pockets and won't leave the Club to rot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2024 11:43:00 GMT
I think that maybe some kind of fan-ownership could be the way forward for Rovers. Instead, we had a 'share scheme' into which supporters invested a million quid, for... no shareholding. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 9, 2024 12:00:27 GMT
I think that maybe some kind of fan-ownership could be the way forward for Rovers. Instead, we had a 'share scheme' into which supporters invested a million quid, for... no shareholding. I’m not clear on my mind as to whether that was diluted due to fans reps not understanding what was going on, or if they did understand it but chose to support it (out of self-interest, being persuaded it was a good thing, or other) Does anyone else have a view? For me, it shows that fan ownership is not a silver bullet, but something which needs to be constructed carefully |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2024 12:42:19 GMT
It was never meant to be fan ownership. It helped BRFC with money. It gave fans nowt in return, promising only Supporters Club representation on the board, delivering barely that.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 9, 2024 14:15:23 GMT
Instead, we had a 'share scheme' into which supporters invested a million quid, for... no shareholding. I’m not clear on my mind as to whether that was diluted due to fans reps not understanding what was going on, or if they did understand it but chose to support it (out of self-interest, being persuaded it was a good thing, or other) Does anyone else have a view? For me, it shows that fan ownership is not a silver bullet, but something which needs to be constructed carefully Oldie is the one to explain this but I think the aim was for fans to put money into the club and in return obtain a shareholding which, through a binding agreement, would allow us to block certain actions which were not in the best interests of BRFC such as risking losing the Mem. The share scheme and the Rovers Agenda for Change were both concepts which reflected the idea of a sports & social club / run as a business type model or you could call it a “ public / private “ partnership. I think enlightened owners recognize this as a good way forward for lower league clubs because transparency and the genuine involvement of fans makes the whole thing stronger. The old fashioned autocratic way of running a football club is outdated and will fail as we have already seen at Rovers and, unfortunately, it looks like we are continuing to see. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 9, 2024 14:45:32 GMT
I’m not clear on my mind as to whether that was diluted due to fans reps not understanding what was going on, or if they did understand it but chose to support it (out of self-interest, being persuaded it was a good thing, or other) Does anyone else have a view? For me, it shows that fan ownership is not a silver bullet, but something which needs to be constructed carefully Oldie is the one to explain this but I think the aim was for fans to put money into the club and in return obtain a shareholding which, through a binding agreement, would allow us to block certain actions which were not in the best interests of BRFC such as risking losing the Mem. The share scheme and the Rovers Agenda for Change were both concepts which reflected the idea of a sports & social club / run as a business type model or you could call it a “ public / private “ partnership. I think enlightened owners recognize this as a good way forward for lower league clubs because transparency and the genuine involvement of fans makes the whole thing stronger. The old fashioned autocratic way of running a football club is outdated and will fail as we have already seen at Rovers and, unfortunately, it looks like we are continuing to see. Thanks Swiss, but I was thinking more specifically about the dilution(s), rather than the original concept |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2024 14:57:37 GMT
Thanks Swiss, but I was thinking more specifically about the dilution(s), rather than the original concept Are you as forgetful as I am? This forum has done real detail on this question before, and the details alwere disputes and debated well. Old Bambie Gasgroin, John Malkovic, Oldie, and others I think led the debate. Good luck finding it; I'm not sure how. |
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 10, 2024 7:56:36 GMT
I’m not clear on my mind as to whether that was diluted due to fans reps not understanding what was going on, or if they did understand it but chose to support it (out of self-interest, being persuaded it was a good thing, or other) Does anyone else have a view? For me, it shows that fan ownership is not a silver bullet, but something which needs to be constructed carefully Oldie is the one to explain this but I think the aim was for fans to put money into the club and in return obtain a shareholding which, through a binding agreement, would allow us to block certain actions which were not in the best interests of BRFC such as risking losing the Mem. The share scheme and the Rovers Agenda for Change were both concepts which reflected the idea of a sports & social club / run as a business type model or you could call it a “ public / private “ partnership. I think enlightened owners recognize this as a good way forward for lower league clubs because transparency and the genuine involvement of fans makes the whole thing stronger. The old fashioned autocratic way of running a football club is outdated and will fail as we have already seen at Rovers and, unfortunately, it looks like we are continuing to see. This closely reflects the German model. A vast majority of German Football Clubs are part of a bigger umbrella Sports Club. They have never lost sight of the fact that members pay their subs and control to a large extent how decisions are made. Like a local cricket or bowls Club, just on a vast scale. I never suggested that fan ownership was a silver bullet. I was trying to show that alternative ownership models are available. Hence the Clubs I mentioned that seem to connect with supporters far better than a vast majority of EFL Clubs. Other notable mentions go to Saffron Walden and FC United of Manchester. I've seen both, they are good fun. I have also sat in expensive sterile bowls with an atmosphere like a library. The 'traditional' English model is totally broken. |
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2024 8:38:32 GMT
I’m not clear on my mind as to whether that was diluted due to fans reps not understanding what was going on, or if they did understand it but chose to support it (out of self-interest, being persuaded it was a good thing, or other) Does anyone else have a view? For me, it shows that fan ownership is not a silver bullet, but something which needs to be constructed carefully Oldie is the one to explain this but I think the aim was for fans to put money into the club and in return obtain a shareholding which, through a binding agreement, would allow us to block certain actions which were not in the best interests of BRFC such as risking losing the Mem. The share scheme and the Rovers Agenda for Change were both concepts which reflected the idea of a sports & social club / run as a business type model or you could call it a “ public / private “ partnership. I think enlightened owners recognize this as a good way forward for lower league clubs because transparency and the genuine involvement of fans makes the whole thing stronger. The old fashioned autocratic way of running a football club is outdated and will fail as we have already seen at Rovers and, unfortunately, it looks like we are continuing to see. simply put the thrust of the Share Scheme was to provide funds that would, hopefully, allow the club to get out of a doom loop. At the time £3.5million was identified to eradicate current debt(seems laughable now), to provide funds for the playing budget and some ground improvements. For that fans would have representation on the board, would be granted 26% if the share capital (that way we could block an EGM resolution), all captured in a formal share scheme agreement which would be legally binding. Geoff D signed it. Sounds utopian now |
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Post by oldie on Jun 10, 2024 11:17:44 GMT
Oldie is the one to explain this but I think the aim was for fans to put money into the club and in return obtain a shareholding which, through a binding agreement, would allow us to block certain actions which were not in the best interests of BRFC such as risking losing the Mem. The share scheme and the Rovers Agenda for Change were both concepts which reflected the idea of a sports & social club / run as a business type model or you could call it a “ public / private “ partnership. I think enlightened owners recognize this as a good way forward for lower league clubs because transparency and the genuine involvement of fans makes the whole thing stronger. The old fashioned autocratic way of running a football club is outdated and will fail as we have already seen at Rovers and, unfortunately, it looks like we are continuing to see. simply put the thrust of the Share Scheme was to provide funds that would, hopefully, allow the club to get out of a doom loop. At the time £3.5million was identified to eradicate current debt(seems laughable now), to provide funds for the playing budget and some ground improvements. For that fans would have representation on the board, would be granted 26% if the share capital (that way we could block an EGM resolution), all captured in a formal share scheme agreement which would be legally binding. Geoff D signed it. Sounds utopian now I am reliably informed it was Kevin Spencer who signed the agreement on behalf of the board at that time. Age does strange things to the memory 😱🤭 |
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Post by swissgas on Jun 22, 2024 14:31:17 GMT
I’ve been told that the match day programme is going to be discontinued next season and replaced with a monthly magazine.
Although I’ve largely been left behind in the digital age it does seem even to me that people today want and expect instant news whereas a monthly magazine is likely to be out of date the moment it’s issued.
With the bottomless booze relegation and now the monthly magazine idea it appears the new regime are missing the mark by about thirty years.
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Post by The Concept on Jun 22, 2024 14:52:21 GMT
A monthly magazine?? Well that's the beginning of the end then.
It's like digital versions of a matchday programme - I just wouldn't bother reading it.
Ah! The Bottomless Beer event!! Wondered how that went. Couldn't find the article in the news section of Rovers website. Just spotted the update on Gaschat that it was cancelled!!
So Queen Tribute Night mark II then.
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Post by knobrot on Jun 24, 2024 7:53:42 GMT
I’ve been told that the match day programme is going to be discontinued next season and replaced with a monthly magazine. Although I’ve largely been left behind in the digital age it does seem even to me that people today want and expect instant news whereas a monthly magazine is likely to be out of date the moment it’s issued. With the bottomless booze relegation and now the monthly magazine idea it appears the new regime are missing the mark by about thirty years. More evidence of the ‘money men’s’ total lack of understanding of what they are involved with. Thick as fricking s**t 💩 looking to trim costs from every angle to make their end goal offering to a hoped for future buyer as financially feasible as possible. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 24, 2024 8:33:12 GMT
I’ve been told that the match day programme is going to be discontinued next season and replaced with a monthly magazine. Although I’ve largely been left behind in the digital age it does seem even to me that people today want and expect instant news whereas a monthly magazine is likely to be out of date the moment it’s issued. With the bottomless booze relegation and now the monthly magazine idea it appears the new regime are missing the mark by about thirty years. More evidence of the ‘money men’s’ total lack of understanding of what they are involved with. Thick as fricking s**t 💩 looking to trim costs from every angle to make their end goal offering to a hoped for future buyer as financially feasible as possible. But just as before, if they’re hoping to sell the club on good luck to them. I doubt they’d have much chance with a former owner still holding 45% of the club. Likely owners would want 100%. UTG! |
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Post by swissgas on Jun 24, 2024 18:57:39 GMT
I’ve been told that the match day programme is going to be discontinued next season and replaced with a monthly magazine. Although I’ve largely been left behind in the digital age it does seem even to me that people today want and expect instant news whereas a monthly magazine is likely to be out of date the moment it’s issued. With the bottomless booze relegation and now the monthly magazine idea it appears the new regime are missing the mark by about thirty years. More evidence of the ‘money men’s’ total lack of understanding of what they are involved with. Thick as fricking s**t 💩 looking to trim costs from every angle to make their end goal offering to a hoped for future buyer as financially feasible as possible. You should do well in an innovative new match day competition they’re introducing next season. It’s called “ spot the bull….”  |
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jun 25, 2024 7:13:13 GMT
Ten years ago today we were waiting for our first ever Conference fixtures!!!!!!!!!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 25, 2024 9:25:37 GMT
More evidence of the ‘money men’s’ total lack of understanding of what they are involved with. Thick as fricking s**t 💩 looking to trim costs from every angle to make their end goal offering to a hoped for future buyer as financially feasible as possible. But just as before, if they’re hoping to sell the club on good luck to them. I doubt they’d have much chance with a former owner still holding 45% of the club. Likely owners would want 100%. UTG! Could be that a hostile takeover happens. I stand by my statement that the club will not be in its current place, within 3 years |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 25, 2024 9:28:23 GMT
A monthly magazine?? Well that's the beginning of the end then. It's like digital versions of a matchday programme - I just wouldn't bother reading it. Ah! The Bottomless Beer event!! Wondered how that went. Couldn't find the article in the news section of Rovers website. Just spotted the update on Gaschat that it was cancelled!! So Queen Tribute Night mark II then. The club is in deep crisis. People wish to believe not. It’s the default fallback position. WAEL sold us down the river , lovely bloke though 🤣 |
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